ChuckM 1 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 I'm just wondering if James Horner has ever composed a complete score that doesn't include his infamous motif? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 I'm just wondering if James Horner has ever composed a complete score that doesn't include his infamous motif?Tons. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM 1 Posted November 18, 2010 Author Share Posted November 18, 2010 Really? Can you name a few, please? I can't think of any.Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 There are plenty of them. The New WorldTitanicBraveheartApollo 13GloryThe MissingA Beautiful MindFlightplanThe Spiderwick Chroniclesand so on...But if you ask whether JH ever composed a score devoid of any obvious Hornerisms... that's a more tricky question to ask. And perhaps also not a fair one.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,687 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 I don't think The New World has it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 How about Another 48 Hrs.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 I don't think Cocoon or its sequel has it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,127 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 We know it's basically Khan's theme in STII, but does the danger motif appear in ST III? I can't seem to recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 These are the two instances where it was reworked and expanded in some way. I refer to the Khan and Klingon motifs from these movies. Well, and in Aliens, but that's Klingon music essentially. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 There is a facebook group about the "Danger Motif" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Really? Where?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 I like this. And hate it as well. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 HereOh, thanks a lot-it's all in German! What's a picture of "Tubular Bells II" doing there? As for Hornerisms: There's a part of "Apollo 13", that is pure "Brainstorm", and a part of "Cocoon", that's pure "Star Trek II". If you're gonna steal, steal from the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Excuse me, it's in spanish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Excuse me, it's in spanish.I KNOW it's in Spanish. I was just yanking yer chain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Excuse me, it's in spanish.I KNOW it's in Spanish. I was just yanking yer chain.Ok, I just understand what you meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 There are plenty of them. The New WorldTitanicBraveheartApollo 13GloryThe MissingA Beautiful MindFlightplanThe Spiderwick Chroniclesand so on...It's all over a few of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 214 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 Boy in the Striped Pajamas is danger-free, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 There are plenty of them. The New WorldTitanicBraveheartApollo 13GloryThe MissingA Beautiful MindFlightplanThe Spiderwick Chroniclesand so on...It's all over a few of them.Which ones?Boy in the Striped Pajamas is danger-free, I believe.No there is a danger motif in that one. And, for once, I think it is really offensive. Because before it was mostly used to illustrate a villain or something. But when you use the same kind of idea for Holocaust it kind of is rather inappropriate, I think.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 It's so prolific Murray Gold used it for the Silurian theme in The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood 2 parter in Series 5 of Doctor Who. I wonder if he owes Horner royalties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 214 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 There are plenty of them. The New WorldTitanicBraveheartApollo 13GloryThe MissingA Beautiful MindFlightplanThe Spiderwick Chroniclesand so on...It's all over a few of them.Which ones?Boy in the Striped Pajamas is danger-free, I believe.No there is a danger motif in that one. And, for once, I think it is really offensive. Because before it was mostly used to illustrate a villain or something. But when you use the same kind of idea for Holocaust it kind of is rather inappropriate, I think.KarolI'll have to revisit that, I don't recall! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 The melody with the piano when Jack first sees Rose is from Apollo 13 when Marilyn shows up the night before launch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 There are plenty of them. The New WorldTitanicBraveheartApollo 13GloryThe MissingA Beautiful MindFlightplanThe Spiderwick Chroniclesand so on...It's all over a few of them.Which ones?Boy in the Striped Pajamas is danger-free, I believe.No there is a danger motif in that one. And, for once, I think it is really offensive. Because before it was mostly used to illustrate a villain or something. But when you use the same kind of idea for Holocaust it kind of is rather inappropriate, I think.KarolI'll have to revisit that, I don't recall!It is right at the beginning of track 9 ("The Funeral"), for instance.The melody with the piano when Jack first sees Rose is from Apollo 13 when Marilyn shows up the night before launch.You can go absolutely mental if you even attempt to keep track of every single element of Horner's style that appear and re-appear in different scores. There was this one Polish website dedicated to Horner, where they tried to put all the references (up to some point) in a diagram of sorts. It was completely unreadable to me so I didn't bother to check how accurate was it. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 It's so prolific Murray Gold used it for the Silurian theme in The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood 2 parter in Series 5 of Doctor Who. I wonder if he owes Horner royalties?No it's payable to the estate of Prokofiev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 I thought that was Rachmaninov.BTW the danger motif also appeared in John Debney's Lair. A joke?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 I lose track, there's so many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM 1 Posted November 19, 2010 Author Share Posted November 19, 2010 BTW the danger motif also appeared in John Debney's Lair. A joke?I've also heard it in Brian Tyler's Timeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 It also appears is many of his light scores, but cleverly disguised in a major key. See "Iris", among others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 BALTOCASPERHOUSE OF CARDSKARATE KID (?)LIFE BEFORE HER EYESALL THE KING'S MENSPIDERWICK CHRONICLESTHE FORGETTENBOBBY JONESRADIO HOUSE OF SAND AND FOGTHE FOUR FEATHERS (?)MIGHTY JOE YOUNGCLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER...and that's only the tip of the iceberg. Horner has other musical love affairs, which are much more lasting, but harder to describe. I think the most typical Horner tool is the rising harp arpeggio to accompany soft or romantic music, offhand i can name almost no score which is without this (except odd ducks like NAME OF THE ROSE). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 BTW the danger motif also appeared in John Debney's Lair. A joke?I've also heard it in Brian Tyler's Timeline.And Giacchino's Secret weapons over normandy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 There are plenty of them. The New WorldTitanicBraveheartApollo 13GloryThe MissingA Beautiful MindFlightplanThe Spiderwick Chroniclesand so on...It's all over a few of them.Which ones?It's been a while but I'd have sworn it can be heard in Titanic, Braveheart and Glory, but perhaps I'm confusing it with his other 'B' danger motif, as I call it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 Is that B theme the Anvil playing: 'clank, clank, clank-clank-clank'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 Apocalyptico does not have it I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 Is that B theme the Anvil playing: 'clank, clank, clank-clank-clank'?Nope. Think ICEBERG. You know, that slow ominous motif played by the horns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Holdo 16 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 It's not in Krull, as I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 It's not in Krull, as I recall.But Star Trek II certainly is at some points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 Maybe some here are still a bit confused about what the Four Note Danger Motif actually is: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 He did. In the first Potter score. Checkmate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 Now an interesting question would be : did John Williams ever used this motif ?before horner, in superman (a fast paced version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 And the next question: which Horner's score uses this motif most frequently, openly, obviously and unashamedly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Doesn't Enemy at the Gates use it ad nauseum as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Horner obviously uses it on purpose in every score to piss of film music fans on internet forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Doesn't Enemy at the Gates use it ad nauseum as well?Yes, that one. And Troy too.Horner obviously uses it on purpose in every score to piss of film music fans on internet forumsHe does it on purpose, that's for sure.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Now an interesting question would be : did John Williams ever used this motif ?before horner, in superman (a fast paced version)Then John Williams composed the "danger motif" . Altough really I don't know where it appears the "danger motif" in Superman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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