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Started by Sandor, Jan 24 2007 03:44 PM

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#1 Sandor

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Posted 24 January 2007 - 03:44 PM

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Personally, I prefer Goldsmith's Under Fire over Star Trek, Poltergeist or Legend, scores that are often mentioned when asked the question: what is Jerry Goldsmith's best score?

Of course, there are numerous scores to choose from and, like Williams, Goldsmith has produced several scores that would qualify as "best score". Perhaps it's better to refer to "favorite score" in this regard.

However; Under Fire has hardly ever been discussed. I've been listening to it these last couple of days and the biggest strength is its melodic presentation. And many selections sound like it was written by a different composer. Very unconventional, like Schindler's List is unconventional in many regards for Williams.

What is your opinion on Under Fire?
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Posted 24 January 2007 - 03:58 PM

Well this is a coincidence...I was just a couple of hours ago listening to it in my car.
It is my favorite Jerry score as well, which is funny, because initially, I didn't like it at all. When I got first put it on, I loved 'Bajo Fuego' (How can you not?), but I was turned off by the electronics. But after seeing the movie, and listening to it again, I love it more and mroe each time I hear it. A marvelous score, and a marvelous album.
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Posted 24 January 2007 - 06:11 PM

I have never heard the score (and have never even seen the movie Under Fire ) but if asked what my favorite JG score is, I would say "Basic Instinct." I think no one -- not even JW, perhaps because he hadn't been offered to do an erotic thriller -- wrote quite a score like that.

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Posted 24 January 2007 - 06:12 PM

It's good...it's very...very good.

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Posted 24 January 2007 - 08:47 PM

Indeed. And from one of Goldsmith's best phases. But his best? Nah. :sleepy:
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Posted 24 January 2007 - 09:22 PM

Haven't heard it.

Vrrrroooooommmmm!

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Posted 24 January 2007 - 10:48 PM

Shame on you.
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Posted 24 January 2007 - 11:31 PM

It's quite amazing, but the cake has to go to Star Trek The Motion Picture.

I'd put The Russia House above or equal to Under Fire.

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Posted 25 January 2007 - 12:52 AM

not his best score, not even top 2 or 3.
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Posted 25 January 2007 - 01:06 AM

A good score by Goldsmith, Baja Fuego is the hilight of the album, but it's not his best score.

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Posted 25 January 2007 - 02:20 AM

There is no "best Jerry Goldsmith score", only favourites.
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Posted 25 January 2007 - 03:03 AM

There is no "Best John Williams Score", only favorites.
Do you like John Williams? His early work was a little too jazzy for my taste, but when Jaws came out in '75 I really think he came into his own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and an air of consummate professionalism that really gives the pieces a big boost. He's been compared to Jerry Goldsmith but I think John has a far more leitmotif-driven style of composing. In '82 John composed this, E.T., his most accomplished album to date. I think his undisputed masterpiece is "The Magic of Halloween", a theme so catchy most people don't listen to what it means. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of childhood and the importance of friendship, it's also a personal statement about the man himself. Hey Paul!
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Posted 25 January 2007 - 03:51 AM

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 07:57 PM

I know that there's no best Goldsmith score, so to speak, but for one reason or the other, I find myself liking this score more than any other score, even Basic Instinct or the like. So yes, I prefer this particular score and CD too. (I'd recommend tracking down the remastered CD btw.)

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 08:41 PM

Of course it helps that it's attatched to a good movie.
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Posted 29 January 2007 - 10:42 PM

I've never seen the film I'm afraid.

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Posted 30 January 2007 - 12:56 AM

its good, nothing more
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Posted 30 January 2007 - 02:12 AM

It's a great score on album, in terms of musical listening experience, but I've never seen the film. I cannot concede that it's his best, but certainly damn good.

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Posted 30 January 2007 - 02:17 AM

It's been so long since I've seen the film, I really can't remember too much about it.

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Posted 30 January 2007 - 12:47 PM

its good, nothing more


Good, nothing more, is better than most Goldsmith movies.
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Posted 30 January 2007 - 01:01 PM

Indeed!

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Posted 30 January 2007 - 05:47 PM

I would rather have Rent-A-Cop, pure cheese but sooo catchy!

I never got into Under Fire, but this thread has prompted me to give it another listen so thanks Roald.

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Posted 30 January 2007 - 06:21 PM

It's been a long time, but I remember liking the score and thinking it should have won the Oscar over "The Right Stuff."

I'll have to watch the movie again. I remember someone dies shockingly, and that it involves journalists in danger.



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