I always thought the use of classical music was a mistake, and still do. I've never heard North's score, but I suspect it might have given the film the warmth and humanity I felt it lacked.
FILM: 2001: A Space Oddyssey
Started by Stefancos, Jul 12 2011 03:11 PM
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Posted 26 July 2011 - 04:45 PM
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 26 July 2011 - 04:48 PM
I only can remember the prehistoric section of North's score and I'm glad it wasn't used.
It's normal that a film lacks "humanity" when it shows things that dwarf it.
It's normal that a film lacks "humanity" when it shows things that dwarf it.
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Posted 26 July 2011 - 04:51 PM
I only can remember the prehistoric section of North's score and I'm glad it wasn't used.
It's normal that a film lacks "humanity" when it shows things that dwarf it.
not true, but the film is reflextive of Kubrick who is often describe as a cold fish himself.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 26 July 2011 - 05:11 PM
I don't follow you. what are we meaning with "humanity" here?
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Posted 26 July 2011 - 05:22 PM
ideas you perceive as greater than humanity. I don't believe that. I believe there are things beyond human comprehension but that doesn't mean humanity cannot be applied.I don't follow you. what are we meaning with "humanity" here?
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 26 July 2011 - 06:25 PM
I think Kubrick meant for the film to seem cold and without humanity, as opposed to the film lacking it. I'm not trying to defend the film because I really don't like it that much, but what you are describing as an erroneous flaw seems to me to be an intentional part of the film.
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Posted 26 July 2011 - 06:29 PM
It is of course all intentional.
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Posted 26 July 2011 - 09:42 PM
I'm sorry Dr Smyslov, but I'm really not at liberty to discuss this.
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Posted 27 July 2011 - 07:07 AM
One of the novels was 2001, and because the film is a solid adaption of the novel we watched the film instead.
wtf?
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Posted 27 July 2011 - 09:51 AM
I'm sure Joe knows when he's talking shit. He usually does.
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Posted 06 October 2011 - 03:40 PM
And still the sci-fi movie to beat, according to Ridley Scott.
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and George Lucas.
Oh, screw George Lucas! He couldn't make an original science fiction movie if he tried.
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Posted 06 October 2011 - 04:05 PM
It could be said that 2001 is a film that is an aloof witnessing. It's fly on the wall, that's why many mention this sense of distance.
And the same witness who watched the apes, then watched HAL and beyond. It's a silent witness with no emotional investment.
And the same witness who watched the apes, then watched HAL and beyond. It's a silent witness with no emotional investment.
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Posted 06 October 2011 - 04:08 PM
I disagree. 2001 is a very emotional film, even though the characters do not act in an overtly emotional manner.
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Posted 06 October 2011 - 04:46 PM
I disagree. 2001 is a very emotional film, even though the characters do not act in an overtly emotional manner.
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