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[BloodBoal]

This law is so cool! I mean, the internet will be a much safer place with it. All bad guys will be in jail and their site will be shut down!

[Blumenkohl]

Does SOPA affect only US sites or can they shut down sites everywhere?

And just a friendly reminder to the rest of the world...of how we will drag you down with us.

The U.S. controls .com, .net, and .org domains. That means SOPA covers all those sites...regardless of territory.

But that's not all, we'll throw in control of 7 out of the world's 13 DNS root servers, and you're golden baby! Free SOPA for all!

[Melange]

The European Parliament has made a statement opposing the act, particulary in reference to the ability of the US to seize domain names

http://www.neurope.e...ze-domain-names

[king mark]

Well, it's about time people start taking action

Not a hint of this story in the TV news, owned by big media studios pushing this bill

[Melange]

Not a hint of this story in the TV news, owned by big media studios pushing this bill

And to me this is the big obstacle,because he who controls the voice on the TV controls the narrative about any objections to this act.
Open objection to this from the average guy will be portrayed as if they're demanding the right to interfere with children or something.

[Drax]

I hope this won't mean FanFiction.net will be shut down.

[king mark]

I think any small entertainment sites about comics,music, movies,videogames, TV shows could be affected by this. Most of them have small clips here and there, pictures, links and message boards where users can inadvertently post something illegal that will probably qualify as enough to shut them down

At first they'll go after the big ones like Pirate Bay but after they get the process of shutting down stuff more efficient , everyone will start filing copyright claims and sites will go down like You Tube videos go down, which is not too long these days.

Or they'll all self-censor in fear of this law you'll be left with text only websites .Everything will look like AICN . Like maybe the c.d. artworks from the JWfan main page and the Tintin banner would have to be removed

[Drax]

Sounds like you won't be able to mention, for example Star Wars or Luke Skywalker or any other movie title or character without putting a little ™ symbol at the end.

[Datameister]

At first they'll go after the big ones like Pirate Bay but after they get the process of shutting down stuff more efficient , everyone will start filing copyright claims and sites will go down like You Tube videos go down, which is not too long these days.

Except how often do YouTube videos get inappropriately and permanently yanked? Most of that happens because of straightforward copyright infringement. Post original content, and there's no problem. There's not even a problem if you post derivative content, usually. I mean, I post lots of recordings of myself playing film scores on piano, often using screenshots or photos or whatnot as a background, and not once have I had a video pulled.

And again, what is this thread about - the Commercial Felony Streaming Act, or SOPA? Of the two, SOPA is the only one that has me concerned.

[king mark]

I'm discussing SOPA .I don't care about the other one

I should have started a separate thread

[Drax]

Interesting to see both Nancy Pelosi and Ron Paul oppose the SOPA bill.

[Chaac]

I don't like this soup.

[Drax]

How SOAP will affect you.

[king mark]

I posted that link in my signature

I don't want to sound paranoid but it's a pretty big deal for casual internet denizens

The internet would become like one giant store to sell movies and music with anything that's against Big Studio interest yanked out of view and sued into oblivion


Am I correct to say the Apple internet (surfing the web on an iphone/ipad with Apple approved apps) is already kind of like a SOPA internet?

[Quint]

No.

I watch porn and download illegal shit whenever I feel like on my iPad. All on "Apple approved apps", obviously.

[Drax]

They can't take my YouPorn away!!

[Wojo]

Yo quiero SOPApilla.

[Melange]

Interesting audio debate about SOPA and the wider subject of uploading, downloading etc, with Stefan Molyneux and Stephan Kinsella.

[Faleel]

How SOAP will affect you.

Um.. I will be a bit cleaner and better smelling when I get out of the shower...

[Ricard]

Am I correct to say the Apple internet (surfing the web on an iphone/ipad with Apple approved apps) is already kind of like a SOPA internet?

Where did you get that?

[Drax]

How SOAP will affect you.

Um.. I will be a bit cleaner and better smelling when I get out of the shower...

Every time I see the acronym "SOPA", I hear the word "soap" and sometimes "soapa" in my head. Like how I call TPM "tee-pee-em", ROTS "rots", COS "koss" or GOF "goff".

[Blumenkohl]

I'm more of a:

TPM - Tee-Pee-Em
AoTC - Ey-Oh-Tee-See
RotS - rots
SS - Nazis
CoS - See-Oh-Ess
PoA - Pee-Oh-Ey
GoF - gof
Drax - Dee-Racks

[Drax]

For AOTC, I'm more "Ey-oh-tock".

[king mark]

I hope you do know the first thing they go after if this bill becomes law is Megaupload, Rapidshare and similar file lockers..

[Drax]

One small part of my job is to send high resolution pictures to our designer for the buyer's guide section of our magazine using those file locking services. The work will be more time consuming and frustrating if those are closed down.

[Quint]

http://www.theinquir...pporter-shakeup

Perhaps those Anonymous scumbags have their uses after all.

Whatever it takes to stop SOPA, I say do it.

[BloodBoal]

Whatever it takes to stop SOPA, I say do it.

Even nuke the USA?

[Stefancos]

Only way to make sure...

[Chaac]

Can they really shut down sites like Megaupload?

[Quint]

Lol, That'd be one of the easier sites to destroy.

[Stefancos]

I'm still not sure how they could destroy a site that is not under US jurisdiction?

[Blumenkohl]

I'm still not sure how they could destroy a site that is not under US jurisdiction?

The US controls 7 of the 13 root DNS servers in the world. It also controls all .com, .org, and .net domains. And the other root clusters simply follow along with the US controlled roots. ICANN is technically in control of the entire 13 clusters, but they essentially report to the US Department of Commerce.

In short, the United States of America directly or indirectly controls all 13 root name servers in the world, and that's how SOPA has global ramifications.

http://www.theinquir...pporter-shakeup

Perhaps those Anonymous scumbags have their uses after all.

Whatever it takes to stop SOPA, I say do it.

Lies!

http://www.techdirt....tion-sopa.shtml

[Stefancos]

Even if this passes, how are they going to enforce this? Millions upon millions of web pages. People will think of new and clever ways to hide stuff.

[Marian Schedenig]

Perhaps it would be time to move to alternative DNS roots. The centralised management of internet domains has been one of the strongest constraints on TCP/IP's inherent decentralised design anyway.

Although the obvious next step after SOPA would be to outlaw the use of non-ICANN domains.

[Stefancos]

that would be like Coca Cola outlawing other people making cola....

[Quint]

I'm still not sure how they could destroy a site that is not under US jurisdiction?

The US controls 7 of the 13 root DNS servers in the world. It also controls all .com, .org, and .net domains. And the other root clusters simply follow along with the US controlled roots. ICANN is technically in control of the entire 13 clusters, but they essentially report to the US Department of Commerce.

In short, the United States of America directly or indirectly controls all 13 root name servers in the world, and that's how SOPA has global ramifications.

http://www.theinquir...pporter-shakeup

Perhaps those Anonymous scumbags have their uses after all.

Whatever it takes to stop SOPA, I say do it.

Lies!

http://www.techdirt....tion-sopa.shtml

Good. Anything which draws attention to this is good.

[king mark]

So is it still KM being paranoid in his corner or the Internet might not survive 2012 intact?

[Quint]

This thread should not be treated as vindication for your paranoia, no. Lord no.

[Marian Schedenig]

On the importance of open source software in this context:

Richard Stallman Was Right All Along

[Blumenkohl]

That's a pretty poor article.

Not exactly sure how Stallman's (admirable) free software philosophy would help us with SOPA.