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NEW book by Frank Lehman - The Skywalker Symphonies: Musical Storytelling in Star Wars
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The happy news I cryptically alluded to last week is now something I can make official: I just signed a book contract with OUP for 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘚𝘬𝘺𝘸𝘢𝘭𝘬𝘦𝘳 𝘚𝘺𝘮𝘱𝘩𝘰𝘯𝘪𝘦𝘴: 𝘔𝘶𝘴𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘭 𝘚𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘺𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘪𝘯 𝘚𝘵𝘢𝘳 𝘞𝘢𝘳𝘴! It's a book it feels like I've been writing in my head for a long, long time -- since middle school, kinda? And unless Williams somehow returns to write another entry in the series, I'm treating it a chance to provide a properly 𝘴𝘺𝘯𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘵𝘪𝘤 investigation into these scores, all nine of them. Even Rise of Skywalker?? 𝘌𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘪𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 Rise of Skywalker! My hope is this book does some justice to the complexity, challenge, and sheer magic of this music. Now, back to the grindstone! https://www.facebook.com/Falstaft/posts/pfbid0L6wUjeDDxj6AmhwHh1f9obrVMJfYbPx4GJM8YaEWiZtqxwp37A88monPFVDxBQ26l Congratulations, @Falstaft!49 points -
Wow, thanks everyone! Obviously, the most important question to address is how I got those italics. Simple! https://lingojam.com/FacebookFonts As for the timeframe: I have over a year to hand in the finished manuscript, but my goal is to have it completed well before that. It's a big book, and publishing is a very slow process. But everything so far is proceeding as I have forseen... It's not a guide to the scores really, but something more holistic, with each chapter looking at cues from all three trilogies from some angle: musical referentiality, thematic transformation, concert arrangements, and so on. There will be a ton of music examples (all my own annotated transcriptions as usu.), hopefully presented in an accessible way that draws in people who can't read sheet music. I know notation and music-theory jargon can be intimidating, and I'm hyper-aware of the potential gatekeeping effect it could on an already niche readership. But at the same time, I think we can all agree this music warrants deep and serious analysis! It's a balancing act for sure... Alas, I don't have special access to recordings, and can't speak to official expanded album releases, as amazing as they would be! Incidentally: I don't see it trumpeted nearly enough on these boards but Chloé Huvet came out with a book on SW music (mainly the OT and PT) a couple years ago that is absolutely brilliant and similarly synthetic in approach. The book is in French, which limits the audience, but it's worth getting your hands on if only for the fantastic music examples and charts. The amount of insight in her prose is incredible too, and it's been a major source of inspriation to me.26 points
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A 5 minute track was recorded to play throughout the scene, the walk through Diagon Alley was meant to be scored by the woodwinds and witchy fiddle. Then a "Reveal insert" was recorded to change the start of the reveal into an orchestral swell because it wasn't magical and awe-inspiring enough. Williams liked the music he wrote and expanded it into a longer, slower tempo concert piece in his Harry Potter Children's Suite for Orchestra, "Diagon Alley". For the original 1 disc soundtrack album release, Williams replaced the opening portion of his full recorded track with part of the Diagon Alley concert piece, this is "Diagon Alley and the Gringotts Vault" as you know it. For the movie, the filmmakers decided the reveal needed more of a warm happy reveal and excitement than a weird new world, so they replaced that same opening section with a latter track that Williams wrote for entering the Great Hall. (Confusingly, the track on the 1 disc soundtrack album called "Entry into the Great Hall and the Banquet" does NOT contain this entry music, only the banquet music.) The film also appends part of "Hermione's Feather" to the start of the track for the bricks moving out of the way. The LLL expanded release linked above has the original recorded track combined with the Reveal Insert in Disc 1 track 7, "Diagon Alley and The Gringotts Vault [Extended Version]", the Great Hall entrance in Disc 1 track 13, "Through the Doors", and the concert piece in Disc 3 track 8, "Diagon Alley". The original recorded opening of the track for Diagon Alley, the Reveal Insert, the full unedited concert piece and Through the Doors all premiered on the set, they were never before released, they were only available in a recording sessions leak with the exception of the Reveal Insert. I've done two videos about how the original opening and the reveal insert opening would've worked in the film:18 points
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John Williams Reimagined Album (Arranged for flute, cello & piano)
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https://filmmusicreporter.com/2024/03/22/john-williams-reimagined-album-to-be-released/ Warner Classics will release John Williams Reimagined, a new album featuring music by the Academy Award-winning composer arranged for chamber trio of flute, cello, and piano. The 2-CD set is produced by Robert Townson and the music is performed by flutist Sara Andon, cellist Cécilia Tsan, and pianist Simone Pedroni. The album covers Williams’ career from his early Emmy Award-winning score for the 1970 television film Jane Eyre to the main theme of 2022’s The Fabelmans, and includes such titles as Star Wars, Schindler’s List, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, Jurassic Park, A.I. Artificial Intelligence, Hook, The Accidental Tourist, The Witches of Eastwick, Dracula, The Sugarland Express, The Patriot and War Horse. A first track (Over the Moon from E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial) has just been released today and is now available to stream/download now on all major digital music services and can also be checked out after the jump. Here’s the album track list (per Slovenia’s NIKA): Disc 1: 1. Star Wars: Princess Leia’s Theme 2. Jane Eyre: To Thornfield 3. Jane Eyre: Reunion 4. Memoirs of a Geisha: Sayuri’s Theme 5. Memoirs of a Geisha: A Dream Discarded 6. Memoirs of a Geisha: Going to School 7. Images: In Search of Unicorns 8. The River: Growing Up 9. The River: The Pony Ride 10. The River: Love Theme 11. The River: Young Friend’s Farewell 12. The Sugarland Express: Theme 13. The Sugarland Express: Elegy 14. A.I.: The Reunion 15. The Empire Strikes Back: Han Solo and the Princess 16. Far and Away: County Galway, Joseph and Shannon, Blowing Off Steam, Finale Disc 2: 1. The Fabelmans 2. Seven Years in Tibet 3. Jurassic Park: A Tree for My Bed 4. Hook: The Face of Pan 5. The Accidental Tourist 6. Schindler’s List: Theme 7. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban: Double Trouble 8. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban: A Window to the Past 9. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban: Hagrid the Professor 10. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban: Chasing Scabbers/Hagrid’s Friendly Bird and The Snowball Fight 11. Dracula: End Credits 12. War Horse: Dartmoor 1912, Bringing Joey Home and Bonding, The Death of Topthorn, Finale and The Homecoming 13. The Patriot 14. Sabrina: How Can I Remember? 15. The Witches of Eastwick: The Tennis Game 16. The Witches of Eastwick: The Seduction of Suki and The Ballroom Sequence 17. The Witches of Eastwick: Devil’s Dance 18. E.T.: Over the Moon13 points -
Mark Graham just picked up a John Williams sketch and is "in a rush"! Any ideas?
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Per Cinema Herald: Legendary composer John Williams has been tapped to score Oliver Stone's upcoming film, "Donald Trump," set for release in 2027. The film will explore the life and presidency of Donald Trump. Stone, known for his provocative and politically charged filmmaking style, is expected to bring his unique perspective to this highly anticipated project. Williams expressed his excitement for the collaboration, stating, "Working with Oliver Stone is always a creatively fulfilling experience, and I am thrilled to be a part of this project." Williams revealed that he has already written the main theme. “Oliver wanted me to write an ambiguous theme that could be played in either a major or minor key, depending on the context. So I wrote a motif that goes up a major second, down a perfect fifth, and then up a perfect fourth. Hopefully, I’ve written something that might contribute in some way to the audience’s listening experience, if only on a subconscious level.” This collaboration is set to deliver a captivating musical narrative, leaving fans eagerly awaiting the film's release.11 points
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In 1983, the Return of the Jedi OST track "Rebel Briefing" actually contains music from the end of the movie. The cue for the rebel briefing is not on the album. In 1988, the Accidental Tourist OST track "Wedding Scene" actually contains an alternate Main Title cue. In 1989, the Last Crusade OST track "Escape From Venice" contains the music for a boat chase that happens entirely within Venice, a place they continue to be in for a while after the chase. The cue for when they leave Venice for Austria isn't on the album. In 1997, the Lost World OST track "Rescuing Sarah" is for the second half of the trailer sequence, after Sarah is already rescued from the glass and they are working as a whole to get out of the trailer together. The actual cue for her being rescued from the glass isn't on the album. In 1997, the Amistad OST track "Mr. Adams Takes the Case" combines the start of the cue for Adams' introduction scene with a cue for later in the film when he's talking to Joadson in his home. Both of these scenes take place before he's decided to take the case (he decides to take the case off-screen, there is no cue for it). In 1999, the Phantom Menace OST track "Star Wars Main Title and the Arrival At Naboo" only contains the very start of the the arrival cue, almost immediately segueing to music from later in the film to end the track. In 2002, the Attack of the Clones OST track "Star Wars Main Title and Ambush On Coruscant" only contains the very start of the ambush cue, almost immediately segueing to music from later in the film to end the track. In 2005, the War of the Worlds OST track "Confrontation with Ogilvy" combined music from the "bodies in the river" scene (which is before the group has met Ogilvy) and the "Red Planet" scene (which begins after Ogilvy is already dead). The actual cue for Roy killing Ogilvy isn't on the album. In 2015, the Force Awakens OST track "Rey Meets BB-8" combines the "Finding The Map" cue from the very end of the movie with the "I've Found The Droid" cue from the middle of the movie. Williams recorded 5 different cues for the scene of Rey meeting BB-8, but none of them are on the album. (The film did track in "Finding The Map" into the scene where they met, so this is sort of an exception I guess).10 points
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Star Wars Alternate Takes Thread
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Decided to start a thread to list all of these since I've started documenting them. There are a surprising number of these available to the public. From ANH, everyone knows about takes 16-20 of 1m2 Star Wars on the 1997 set, and the alternate takes throughout the 1993 album are pretty well known as well (though not necessarily documented). But I was surprised to find that the 1997 and 2018 albums actually have alternate takes too! Here's a few that I've found already: 1M3 The War has an alternate take on the 1993 set from 2:15-2:58, the 1997/2018 sets have the correct one. 2M3 The Little People has an alternate take in a couple spots. The 1993 and 1997 sets both have the wrong take from 3:12-3:16, where the 2018 has the right one. However, the 1993 and 2018 sets have the wrong take for the ending Imperial statement, where the 1997 set has the correct one. 2M5 More Little People has an alternate mix for 1:25-end on the 1993 and 1997 sets, where the 2018 has the correct mix. I thought this was a different take originally but @Manakin Skywalker noticed that the 1997 and 2018 versions do indeed phase, so it must be a different mix and not a different take. I'll keep updating this thread as I find more. Feel free to include ones from other Star Wars scores, they don't have to just be ANH10 points -
HOOK Ultimate Edition - MUSIC Discussion
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We're all very pleased with the final program, keeping it mind that there were factors that lead into some decisions, such as compact disc length, composer preference, fee increases for tracks over 10 minutes long, etc Programming any expansion includes deciding what to do when there are multiple versions of cues in terms of which goes in the main program and which in the bonus tracks, and by and large sticking to having all the versions used in the film in the main program, and all the versions that were not as bonus tracks, made a lot of sense and led to each program being really strong. Additionally, the careful selection of which score alternates should go at the end of disc 2, instead of disc 3, in order to make disc 3 be the best album it can be, worked out really well. The one change a lot of people will probably do of taking those disc 2 tracks and adding them to the disc 3 album (as John Takis laid out somewhere here earlier), to basically make a longer Songs & Alts program, which is really just as valid as the structure we ended up with. However, when released as three physical discs, I am glad that a big bonus program didn't start on disc 2, have a disc break, and then have it continue on disc 3. It's kind of nicer to have disc 3 be more of its own thing. Like Mike has said, everything just kind of took a life of its own and came out perfectly in that regard. The goal was to make a program that pleased us, the composer, and the lyricist, while adhering to the stipulations we had, and of course presenting the songs in the best way possible. Since most of the songs are piano demos, if they were just lumped together in a row, they don't speak nearly as loudly as they do in the current album 3 configuration where you hear lushly orchestrated versions of the song melodies before or after those demos in the score alternates; it just makes everything work so well that way! Now, when it comes down to it, the die hard fans are going to change things around the way they want anyway, and it's impossible to make a program that pleases everyone. And sure, I'm a diehard fan as much as anyone, so I don't think there's any harm in stating some of my own preferences. For Hook Trailer (Prologue), as much as I like the viola version of Peter's theme, I ultimately think the final performance edit made for the released trailer in 1991 is the strongest version of this music. I am glad that the new track is completely different takes from that version throughout (instead of sticking the different sections into an otherwise same track), but for me it plays better as a bonus track opener, and keeping the 1991 performance edit version as the main version. Just my preference. For Yuppie Sounds (Banning Back Home), I prefer Williams' original version, with the fun improv section, over the revision that was recorded at the last minute because of a picture change. We actually discussed making the original version be main program version, but there actually wasn't space on the discs to swap them, since the original version is a minute longer than the revised one! But since the revision is what's in the film it worked out nicely in that regard anyway. For the first part of Looney Wendy (The Stories Are True), I prefer the original version with the twisted version of the "Childhood" theme, over the later revision that is just a re-done Forgotten How To Fly with the "Mothers" theme mostly removed. This version actually was in the main program for a while, but having the "Childhood" version on disc 3 ultimately made that disc so much stronger. And again because the revision is what's in the film it worked out nicely anyway. For The Lost Boy Chase, I really like the percussion insert section. But John Williams wanted the album version in the main program. I don't really think it matters much either way. If anything, having to present the first two minutes of this cue three times (because it was used in the end credits) is the biggest issue with the final product, but also an issue that just has no workaround. At least each instance is on a different disc! For the entire grand finale, I prefer to have from Tink Grows Up through The End of Hook to just be one single 24 minute track with all cues seguing directly into each other, instead of broken up into 4 tracks. Just my preference. One thing I still haven't decided on after all this time is my final thoughts on the Kensington Extension (the final part of Farewell Neverland (Short Version / Alternate)). At first it was so jarring to hear, but I kind of love it more and more every time I hear it, and am now expecting it when I get to the end of the score. And yet there's something about the simplicity (for lack of a better word) of the original version's ending that can't be denied. So, I'm still undecided which I like better! I think that's about it. I still haven't fiddled with trying to put God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen and Take Me Out To The Ballgame in the main program or anything. And I don't think there's any merit in trying to put the other songs into the main program, not even "Low Below". Not having Bob Hoskins performing as Smee there would be too weird I think (and you'd have to lose Show Us The Hook, which is one of my favorite parts of the score). Moira's Lullaby seems like it would fit in well if not for the fact that the Saying Goodnight cue effectively replaces it.10 points -
JAWS - 2015 Intrada 2CD Release (Complete film tracks & original LP re-recording)
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John Williams is becoming a Disney Legend
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What a farce. Disney has gone so acquisition-mad under Iger that they’re now sending Bishop from X-Men (company employee!) decades into the past to inform various titans of pop culture that they’re actually working for Disney, who will own them forty years hence. I can’t quite articulate why this feels so icky to me, but it’s the same feeling I got when The Sound of Music and Miracle on 34th Street showed up in their respective decades on the Disney100 section of Disney+ last year. They were not affiliated with you! They were, in fact, directly competing with you! Disney is basically Mother Gothel now.10 points -
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The Phantom Menace vs. Attack of the Clones vs. Revenge of the Sith
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You don't. The handful of folks that like "film edits" for whatever reason would inevitably be a bit disappointed, but editing together the music as-recorded is quite simple actually, and still provides a relatively good listening experience. It's the sequel scores that I'd be more concerned with.9 points -
Christopher Young's "Nosferatu - A Symphony of Horror" CD
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And the goal is met9 points -
John Williams is becoming a Disney Legend
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https://attractionsmagazine.com/2024-disney-legends-include-joe-rohde-john-williams-angela-bassett-and-harrison-ford/ Among a few other names like Harrison Ford & Angela Bassett, John Williams will become a Disney Legend on August 11.9 points -
Mark Graham just picked up a John Williams sketch and is "in a rush"! Any ideas?
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What I would give to be in that room now...9 points -
John Williams is becoming a Disney Legend
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JW should write a score for this occasion which Disney can then fuck up in a legacy collection set in 20 years and pretend it didn't happen.9 points -
You mean images?8 points
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DIAGON ALLEY TRACK MOVIE vs SOUNDTRACK ALBUM
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Star Wars: Dawn of the Jedi (James Mangold)
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It's called representation Yavar. Cal Kestis was a godsend for us Gingers. 😉8 points -
Villeneuve's DUNE
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That, had they cast MENA actors, the same people would make the opposite criticism: "Look at how they hired MENA people only to put them in roles that ridicule Muslim religious fervour (Stilgar), demonise it (pretty much all the others), fetishize them and put a white saviour at their head."8 points -
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Mark Graham just picked up a John Williams sketch and is "in a rush"! Any ideas?
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New Mark Graham video. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4tHYdwvAhR/ Here's some screen caps as I watch He says the sketch he picked up from Williams a few weeks ago was updates to an arrangement for a concert And then he said that at 11AM PST today, there is a recording of Star Wars music. Maybe Williams wrote something for The Acolyte? Goldsmith The Omen:8 points -
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Intrada announces Species.
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I think some forums do have moderators that don't like bumping old threads for any reason, but I've always thought it made sense to continue to use existing threads for new discussions of the same topic. The only thing I haven't liked if if some old thread is bumped for a similar but not exactly the same topic that would just make more sense to be a brand new thread.7 points -
DIAGON ALLEY TRACK MOVIE vs SOUNDTRACK ALBUM
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My mantra while writing it out was "make Daddy Jay proud"7 points -
I'm happy for us and the terrific music we'll be getting, but I'm just delighted for Young, who has effectively been shut out of Hollywood, seeing how many people enjoy his music. Nobody (or hardly anyone) has seen the film with his music, but so many wanted to own what he wrote for it. I hope he's moved; I'm sure he is.7 points
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The Custom Covers Thread
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I made a slightly different version for those who prefer it not just refering to the video game, since it was originally a score to accompany the reader of the book. and another one using a source from the comic book series7 points -
John Powell's HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON: THE HIDDEN WORLD (2019) - 2024 Varese Deluxe Edition
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The liner notes should be included digitally for every digital release on every platform, why the fuck is that not a common basic given thing7 points -
Hey guys, Been a while since I posted here, but I just thought I’d drop by to let you know of a soundtrack concert report site that I started recently. I’ve actually just posted my report of John Williams in Milan! Here’s the link: https://soundtracks-in-concert.com/concerto-straordinario-john-williams-2022/ You can also find these reviews (previously posted by me on JWFan): JW in Tokyo https://soundtracks-in-concert.com/deutsche-grammophon-125-years-special-gala-concert/ Boston pops tribute to JW (Tokyo) https://soundtracks-in-concert.com/boston-pops-on-tour-2023-john-williams-tribute-2023/ Thanks for looking 😎7 points
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John Williams - Minority Report (LLL) This listen convinced me that this is one of Johnny's masterpieces. The blend of brooding introspection, unreachable memories of happier times, thrilling action and chase music, and vocals crying for justice is unparalleled in any other scores I've heard. I love how you can tell from listening that this fits right in between his prequel and Harry Potter scores, and is very post-AI pre-War of the Worlds, yet doesn't feel like it steals from any of those, its its own thing. And its fantastic from start to finish, especially the main program of the LLL edition. I forgot how much I like the alternate openings to The Crime and Freezing Water, so I'll probably swap those with their main program counterparts next time around. What a score!7 points
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I listened to the full score again after a few months and the music is just too good. There isn’t a single dull or uninteresting moment, and the way he weaves the themes together so seamlessly makes it feel like you’re listening to a concert work rather than something written to picture. This may be Williams’ most complex score, and definitely remains one of my favourites.7 points
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Using AI to manipulate film score audio (dialogue removal, stem separation, etc)
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I've used AI very sparingly on my YouTube edits. However I prefer not to use it for the most part because it adds a shit load of distortion, and in some cases removes instruments. It's important not to overdo it.7 points -
John Williams is becoming a Disney Legend
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Ask yourself, Disney. Why do you give the Legend Award? Is it for his glory, or for yours?7 points -
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Yea the whole album's tracklist is up on iTunes. Drops May 17th 1 Wunderkammer: I 2 Wunderkammer: II 3 Wunderkammer: III 4 Percussion Concerto: I. Triangle 5 Percussion Concerto: II: D.S.C.H. 6 Percussion Concerto: III. Down 7 Percussion Concerto: IV. Syncopate 8 Are You Lost? https://music.apple.com/nz/album/percussion-concerto-wunderkammer/17372547126 points
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The Official La-La Land Records Thread
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Be sure to pick up Titanic if you haven't yet - It's a wonderful release, an iconic Horner score, and I can't imagine how insanely high the price will skyrocket once it's out of print.6 points -
John Williams is becoming a Disney Legend
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He used a Disney theme in CEOTTK.6 points -
Next James Bond actor after Daniel Craig?
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I haven't listened to all Jerry Goldsmith, though a while ago I did go through a bunch of 15 minute suites of his scores on Youtube. But I'm still not that familiar with his Star Trek work, for example (in fact I'm listening to it now ) That said, my favourite so far is Total Recall. Someone who doesn't know anything about music might dismiss it as a silly action score, and in a way it is silly, but on closer inspection it reveals amazing artistry. And it's an enjoyable listen from start to finish. It's so hard to choose with Goldsmith, though, because all of his works are so diverse. With Williams, even though he has also written in different genres, I feel that you can always pick out a single internal language in his soundtrack work. With Goldsmith it's not so obvious, and he's better at being more chameleon-like. But then I've listened to far more Williams than Goldsmith, so that might just be a bias of mine. EDIT: Just finished listening to The Enterprise for the first time. As if I needed any more confirmation that Goldsmith is a genius! Brilliant track, almost a perfect encapsulation of epic/heroic musical tropes of that time (not in a bad way). Lots of Debussy influences.6 points