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  1. 4 points
    Marcus

    THE BFG OST ALBUM Discussion

    I've had fun transcribing odd bits and pieces of the score today. And I have to repeat myself: This really is a remarkable score. I can't for the life of me understand the negative reaction among some of the posters here, but then again, I never understood the initial negativity towards Williams' TFA score either. The main theme (which I think was, rather charmingly, conceived as a menuet, as heard in "Building Trust", and again in the end titles) is so beautifully constructed, its harmonic structure actually relatively unique among Williams' themes for its quaint and sweetly nostalgic sounding secondary dominants. I know I've said it before, but I also love how it sort of spells out 'BFG' (1-5-6; there's also an inversion of this in some of the B theme variations). For all its energy and brilliance, there's also a restraint to the writing befitting a mature master, and yet there's a freshness to the textural and timbral ideas that just baffles me. I really hope the more compositionally minded people on here continue to explore this score for all of the many rich lessons it has to offer...
  2. 3 points
    Marcus

    THE BFG OST ALBUM Discussion

    The theme gives prominence to the first, fifth and sixth degrees of a major scale, or if you will, and in the key of Bb, Bb-F-G. As composers, we're seldom thrown a bone like this, where the titular acronym allows itself to be literally spelled out in musical terms. I'm certain the opportunity wasn't lost on Williams, who rather than using it as a strict self-contained motto, opted to embed it into a more lyrical melody. The theme itself in most of its more complete renditions (where both A and B themes are heard, or at least implied) is played out as a minuet (which is a graceful 18th century dance form in an even 3/4, without the schwung of a waltz). We have it on good authority that Williams thinks of this score as a kind of collection of dances, and I think he meant that rather more literally than many might realize, as it consists of minuets, waltzes, and even a galop!
  3. 2 points
    TheUlyssesian

    The BFG THEMES Discussion

    I don't think so. I think this is a different theme. Its not possible that the second phrase of a theme is associated only once in the entire score with the first phrase and that too literally in the concluding moments. Both Sophie's theme and this theme get play time separately away from each other and there are instances when Sophie's theme is repeated twice instead of playing this supposed second phrase. I think this is a different theme. I completely agree with this. It is either a theme for the BGF or the idea of his benevolence or the influence he has on Sophie or their friendship. Mind you when we define it like this, it need not only appear when BFG himself is on screen or is mentioned. It can also appear when Sophie is thinking about him or feeling his influence in her life.
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    TownerFan

    THE BFG OST ALBUM Discussion

    Opinions, mon chère. I think otherwise it's such a brilliant piece, a real étude for flutes that should already be in the instrument's repertoire.
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    Marcus

    THE BFG OST ALBUM Discussion

    To each his own, I guess... "Dream Jars" is one of my absolute favorite cues from 'BFG'. It's absolutely fabulous writing, and to me, a very exciting piece of music!
  6. 2 points
    Please let me know if there's some other way we can screw up tonight.
  7. 2 points
    1. A.I 2. CE3K 3. Lincoln 4. Memoirs of a Geisha 5. Minority Report 6. TFA 7. WOTW 8. Potter 1 & 3 9. The Last Cursade 10. Jurassic Park
  8. 2 points
    Sharky

    THE BFG OST ALBUM Discussion

    Is that really much of an accolade?
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    Marcus

    THE BFG OST ALBUM Discussion

    I completely respect that it isn't your kind of thing. And I don't know that it needs to be said, but as you've already said it, I will have to add that 'BFG' is, from a purely technical point of view, easily one of Williams' most sophisticated scores yet. It's closer in terms of writing to his concert music than ever, yet I feel the same sense of value to every single note and nuance as, say, 'Lincoln'. Though notey, every note matters, there's very little filler. In that sense, and although I detest ranking (I prefer to view the works of all artists as one continuous developing arc), I probably already hold this score in higher regard than, say, 'Hook'.
  10. 1 point
    Amer

    The Towering Inferno & JFK coming from LLL!

    MV Gerhard has officially confirmed on FSM that THE TOWERING INFERNO is upcoming from LLL: " I am stating this right now -- Towering IS happening, but do not expect it for 2016" He also added earlier: "Some fantastic Williams planned, though...and a smattering of some other fantastic composers ranging from Mancina to Mancini!"
  11. 1 point
    The movies and Howard Shore's music are ASMRish too. Very sleepy and dreamy.
  12. 1 point
    There's a lovely ASMR quality to Tolkien. Any time I need to sleep, I just read a few sentences of his work.
  13. 1 point
    Marcus

    The BFG THEMES Discussion

    I think TheUlyssian sums it up perfectly. But to reiterate: The BFG main theme (friendship theme) serves as a theme for both, despite not being a character theme for Sophie per se.
  14. 1 point
    Miguel Andrade

    John Williams Discography

    Indeed, Williams only plays on "Bottoms Up".
  15. 1 point
    You can't talk that way about a blind person!
  16. 1 point
    JacksonElmore

    THE BFG OST ALBUM Discussion

    definitely do it man. ay attention to the score especially in the first act. You will notice how cues are shortened and edited for the album, and how touching the friendship theme can be. One of my favorite moments in the film after watching it again is the music that underscores BFG's hand reaching into the orphanage in the very beginning. Instead of doing cliché build up music (which is what most other composers would have done), Williams explores this enchanting and fun sound. it's really adventurous and fun
  17. 1 point
    Alex

    THE BFG OST ALBUM Discussion

    Just seen the film and the score is so much more enjoyable in context
  18. 1 point
    Marcus

    The BFG THEMES Discussion

    The theme I refer to as 'Sophie's Theme' is heard in track 2 at 02.50. I think of it as musically depicting her loneliness, so one could also refer to it as a 'loneliness theme', or an 'orphan theme' (the theme you're talking about is simply the B theme of the 'Sophie&BFG Relationship Theme'). The main theme -being a relationship theme- also 'subs' for her, but this film isn't so much about Sophie, as it's about Sophie and the BFG. Again, I don't think we should take these leitmotifs too literally.
  19. 1 point
    Marcus

    The BFG THEMES Discussion

    I think it's both/neither: It's not a character theme per se, but rather a relationship theme. The theme serves them both (though I think the main inspiration for it is the BFG, or the idea of this benevolent giant comforting the orphaned Sophie).
  20. 1 point
    Everybody Runs! is one of my all time favorite action tracks. I hope Williams opts for a similar direction for Ready Player One
  21. 1 point
    Marcus

    The BFG THEMES Discussion

    I have a feeling some of these themes defy traditional leitmotivic identification. Rather, Williams seems to have gone all "sonata form" in his thematic conceptions this time around, and designed whole thematic groups, rather than simply themes. -There's the main theme (BFG theme), which consists of an A and a B theme, although the B theme also seems to have its own 'B theme' of sorts -Then there's the music for Giant Country and the giants, which includes the jagged juxtaposed minor thirds, as well as two waltz themes; all of these are subjected to such transformations as to at times become almost entirely new motifs. 'Fleshlumpeater' also belongs to this group of themes, as does 'Frolic' -The Dream Country music has three main melodic ideas, a broadly lyrical theme with often lydian inflections, and the somnambulistic lullaby heard twice (once in track 4, for vibes, celeste and synth, and then again in track 10 at ca 02.45 as an oboe solo), although the piano theme heard in track 15 may also be seen as an offshoot from this theme, as well as the fast paced scherzino. Additionally, there are textures that may also be seen as endemic to this section of the score (I've already mentioned the flutes) And I suppose the Nightmare theme (which in itself consists of several motifs) could also be seen as belonging to this thematic group -The 'solo themes' (themes that don't belong to the aforementioned groups) are, as far as I can tell, only the Queen's theme and Sophie's theme (not the BFG one, but the solitary piano melody first heard in track 2)
  22. 1 point
    Marcus

    THE BFG OST ALBUM Discussion

    Yes, that's the waltz I was referring to (although I suspect it's more a 'traveling theme' for the BFG's gait than a theme for Giant Country). Another waltz is the theme some refer to as the 'Fury theme', as it consists of minor chord arpeggios with an added 6th. It is of course entirely possible to view the two as the A and B themes of the same waltz...
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  24. 1 point
    Will

    THE BFG OST ALBUM Discussion

    Whoops. Typing this on my phone. @Marcus Wow, that's really cool! I assume when you say Williams used a waltz you are referencing the giant country theme? Or is there another example?
  25. 1 point
    KK

    What Is The Last Score You Listened To?

    The BFG by John Williams A masterful display of orchestration and technique. What this score shows is that Williams is still easily able to stimulate precise moods/emotions/set-pieces like an expert craftsman or technician. But sadly, there isn't much more to it than that. He lifts all-too-familiar colours to fit the mould of his latest children's film, and while it certainly has some wonderful moments (ex. Dream Jars) and its execution is impressive, it does ultimately fall flat.
  26. 1 point
    Sadly the end of Goldsmith pushing boundaries. For Williams i choose (winkblinkwinkblink):
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  28. 1 point
    I do agree about Minority Report, though and it's incredibly underrated, even here.
  29. 1 point
    Will

    THE BFG OST ALBUM Discussion

    Oh great... Does KM know? Maybe we shouldn't tell him, to avoid causing heart attack. @Marcus Could you explain in layman's terms how the main theme spells out BFG, and (as Jay has already requested) how that theme is a minuet? Thanks.
  30. 1 point
    hornist

    THE BFG OST ALBUM Discussion

    Thanks!! I have a good story about the flute compositions for BFG. Later, I have some questions to ask before...
  31. 1 point
    The Fury Images The Return of The Jedi Nixon A.I. The Last Crusade Born on the Fourth of July Jurassic Park The Accidental Tourist Close Encounters of the Third Kind
  32. 1 point
    crocodile

    What Is The Last Score You Listened To?

    The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions. It's been a while. I was worried that we overestimated Don Davis slightly and that his music might weaken over time. But a careful listen of these two sequels reveal his abilities way exceed those of other modern contemporaries, even if it loses some of its edge by expanding the concept. Yes, the two scores are decidedly more Hollywood in their broad epic scope and increased levels melodrama. Yes, they do abandon the anxious horror-like tension of the original and its excellent spotting. But as far as blockbuster music goes, this is about the last true attempt at creating something memorable in the massive budget cinema. Along with Shore's Middle-earth music, this is as good as it gets in the 21st century. It's instantly recongnisable as The Matrix music and that's something rarely achieved these days. The Ghost and the Darkness Karol
  33. 1 point
    crumbs

    The Force Awakens Disney Records OST

    Let's all just be grateful we got both versions regardless.
  34. 1 point
    This isn't really a specific moment, but I just love the evil twist in both the Trade Federation march and the Flag Parade. I believe it's a short shift to the minor tonality a minor second below the tonic (in the case of Williams, pedal tonic may be a more useful term). So cool!
  35. 1 point
    A few random thoughts and impressions I had of BvS. To me, it actually felt more like a Nolan film than MOS. Not in amounts of plot, but in its tone. It reminded me of Nolan's Batman trilogy but with less dialogue. There's a lot of just visual scenes and I don't mean action scenes. While I did not hate Eisenberg's Lex Luthor, I did find his "Mmm" a bit annoying. However, the big positive thing about this Lex Luthor is that you actually don't like him, you know, like an old-fashioned, traditional villain. Instead of being the one who steals the show or the cool dude that happens to be bad, you feel his negative presence. Finally villains are unlikable again. Will he make it into the best villain's of all time list? Nope! Not a chance. I don't know why but I'm so Amy Adamsed out! The big buildup is easily the best part of the movie. They don't throw in an action scene every 5 minutes to feed the audience. No, the movie takes its time to show each perspective. In fact, the buildup is so long, the hate was so strong, that it was an anti-climax to see Batman coming to his senses so quickly. That was a huge 'Huh?!' moment for me. Batman's long post-apocalyptic desert dream/vision sequence looked downright incredible. Weird and incredible ... Yeah! Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman pulls it off with much ease. See! Snyder can create characters! I dunno about the final act which to me almost felt like a different movie. BTW, I was never a fan of these superfights where characters are being kicked through buildings in a straight line. Oh, I almost forgot, I sorta liked the score. How about that? The sad Krypton theme, the heavenly choir voices, ... Overall, I thought it was very colorful. Must be Junkie's contributions, right? There's a scene where many people wanna touch Superman with their hands and it was very reminiscent of a scene with Jesus and the lepers in Jesus Christ Superstar. Is Snyder a fan? Just like me? As you have guessed by now, I was entertained but it's not a great movie. Maybe not even a good movie but it easily held my interest. Like Steef, I prefer this one over Man Of Steel. Alex
  36. 1 point
    karelm

    THE BFG OST ALBUM Discussion

    Interestingly, a lot of us find this score to be JW going in a playful and impressionistic new direction.
  37. 1 point
    Romão

    Ready Player One (2018) FILM Discussion

    The Prestige is his best
  38. 1 point
    crumbs

    Ready Player One (2018) FILM Discussion

    According this interview, Williams told JJ he would only score the film if he could stay in LA? http://projectorandorchestra.com/john-williams-on-the-force-awakens-and-the-legacy-of-star-wars/ Although it's entirely possible Williams only asked for this after JJ told him their post-production schedule would require sparodic scoring sessions between June and November.
  39. 1 point
    Disco Stu

    Ready Player One (2018) FILM Discussion

    I look forward to John Williams' first use of a Nintendo Entertainment System soundchip in a score.
  40. 1 point
    Forget it. No one wants to share the video. At least at REBEL FORCE RADIO PODCAST Star Wars Oxygen made a special program about the gala with audio clips and lot of information. Available on itunes, ivoox etc...
  41. 1 point
    Melange

    The Photography Thread

    Cheek by Jowl in Nablus.
  42. 1 point
    I wanted the kids to all die.
  43. 1 point
    I kind of agree with Drax. It's not a bad film. but like Terminator Genisys and Jurassic World it is a wholly redundant one. The original film managed to build some serious tension in it's first half, and some effective "America FUCK YEAH" in the second. Both are missing in this film. It's actually funny how one can watch thousands of alien spaceships circling a massive Alien Queen and not actually feel much excitement. Also, most of the characters are misfires, while that's something that really did work before. Brent Spiner is the best one this time. It's a solid rental. With a few good scenes and excellent effects. The music is "effective" if completely generic.
  44. 1 point
    I must say I really am liking these stable shots we're seeing, like the long wide shot of the boat along the water with the spacecraft in the background. It's been such an increasing trend in films recently to have these really kinetic camera shots, sometimes to the point where you can't even see what is going on. It's kinda nice to see somebody like Emmerich continuing to frame shots a bit more old school and restrained. He knows how to shoot good ol' eye candy, I'll give him that.
  45. 1 point
    I don't care. I need to be heard.
  46. 1 point
    Blumenkohl

    The "What I Do For a Living" Thread

    It really depends on your definition of success. If by success you mean great job and financial security, these are the tips I've learned through experience, experiences of others, opinions of my contacts, and being responsible for hiring people at two companies (both game developers, but in two different departments: previously art, now engineering): I would recommend avoiding generic degrees. Specifically I would discourage you from going towards a general business degree. AKA pick an accounting degree or economics degree over a business administration degree. Something focused with strong technical backing is always going to be better for you than something more general and conceptual. And here's why: It doesn't matter that you won't get a job in something specific you majored in. As an employer (and not just me, but other employers I've talked to) I'm not concerned with whether your job matches your degree, but wether or not your degree has been focused and challenging enough to show that you are able to thoroughly learn highly specialized material well. Anyone can learn generalized material. But being able to learn specific and technical subjects requires problem solving, learning skills, and attention to detail that put you on top of the resume stack, instantly. I minored in business administration because I thought it would help with getting into an MBA program, and at my school the undergrad classes were a *joke*. Eating pie was more difficult. And there was so many people in it. One thing you can seriously consider is picking a more specialized major for undergrad, and pursuing an MBA for grad school (that is if grad school is an option for you). A more specific, technical bachelors degree + an MBA is a very optimal combination and will give you a better standing with employers. But the most important thing to take away here: Employers don't care about how well your major matches with the job, but whether or not your major and grades show strong learning skills. Generic majors don't look as good period. If you do some research on demographics of MBA schools, you will find that even they have very few students who are undergrad business degrees, generally 20-25% are business majors. The majority of people they accept come from engineering, economics, accounting, sciences, computer science. I can tell you having been through an MBA program, grad-level business administration and undergrad are night and day. MBA you will arrive at your masters battered, bruised, bleeding, coughing. But it is extremely rewarding and fun! I doubled majored in Computer Science and Animation & Digital Arts [read: HELL] at. And got an MBA at. Steadily slaved away for many "The Man's" all through college, and am currently a mid level "The Man" slaving away for bigger men. [yes even while going through HELL, I was slaving for The Man] That's the other thing, seek employment and career opportunities all through college....you will come out ahead of the pack, even if your grades may suffer *slightly*. (If they suffer too much, you need to put education first!). Of course, this is what I've learned by myself and from others in regards to *my* definition and aspirations for success. I always was driven to be "big and important" (etiquette has us saying...take risks and make big decisions to make us not look like douchebags) but not so much that I have to sacrifice my health and family. AKA I don't want to start my own company or be the Biggest Cheese. You need to formulate and define where you want to be, and do the homework and networking to figure out how to get there. But no matter what, please do keep this in mind: Your major WILL NOT define your career choices, and you are under no obligation to pursue a job in it. VERY few people do. Your major should be an opportunity for you to show how well you can learn difficult material.
  47. 1 point
    ChuckM

    The "What I Do For a Living" Thread

    Just realize that whatever you major in probably won't be what you end up doing. College is much more about learning how to learn than it is about the individual things they will teach you there. I majored in IT with a minor in Business. I'm currently working as a Web Editor for http://www.answersingenesis.org/.
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