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That would be cool, but my guess is that Han's theme will be in a minor key unlike the Asteroid Field's opening melody, which is major-based. It's interesting to compare good-guy themes from the OT and ST so far in terms of whether they are based on a major or minor tonic, especially since the ST is closely modeled on the OT: Original Trilogy - Luke's Theme - Major - Leia's Theme - Major - Rebel Fanfare - Major - Force Theme - Minor - Han Solo and the Princess - Major - Yoda - Major - Ewoks - Major - Luke and Leia - Major Sequel Trilogy (so far) - Rey's Theme - Minor - Poe's Theme - Minor - March of the Resistance - Minor - Luke in Exile - Minor - Desperation (of the Resistance) - Minor - Rose - Major There's a very clear trend of having the primary good-guy themes in the sequel trilogy almost entirely minor (only Rose's Theme is major, no doubt due to her childlike innocence) whereas in the original trilogy, they are very much the opposite - almost all major (only the Force Theme is minor, no doubt due to its function as a "struggle" theme). This change from major to minor is probably due to the change in the tone of films nowadays. So many films of the 80s have an optimistic tone whereas today they are much darker and in many ways pessimistic, and I think Williams is reflecting this trend in his music for the heroes. Anyway, I thought this would be interesting to share. So yes, I'm guessing Han's Theme will be in a minor key.5 points
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THE LAST JEDI - For Your Consideration (FYC) Album
Oswin Pond and 3 others reacted to Gurkensalat for a topic
I can´t tell if this is irony, but if not: Do you know all states in Germany like Bavaria or Hessen? All Kantons of Switzerland like Aargau or Schwyz? This would be the equivalent to the states of the USA.4 points -
Favorite short musical moments in Williams scores?
DarthDementous and 2 others reacted to Luka for a topic
Gosh do I love this! 4:02 - 4:16 Too short though Anyone knows what kind of chord that is?3 points -
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THE ADVENTURES OF HAN - 2018 John Williams theme for Solo: A Star Wars Story
Fancyarcher and one other reacted to Ludwig for a topic
Just take an old adventure theme, warp it into a minor key, and you get the heroic scoundrel:2 points -
Favorite short musical moments in Williams scores?
SingeMoisi and one other reacted to Luka for a topic
Omg this part (2:57) always gives me goosebumps! Those lower strings (3:02-03)!!!!!!!!!!2 points -
THE ADVENTURES OF HAN - 2018 John Williams theme for Solo: A Star Wars Story
Pieter Boelen and one other reacted to Muad'Dib for a topic
The thing that intrigues me the most about this particular theme is that what the hell will it end up sounding like? Major, minor? It can't be something like the Raiders march and I can't picture it sounding like any of JW's previous cowboy themes. Something like The Adventures of Mutt is out of the question, as Tintin's motif... So what the hell can it even sound like? The closer thing that I can picture is something similar to Poe's theme, but we already have that... Gah! Hopefully so much speculation won't end up being a dissapointment.2 points -
Lol, I never said that you couldn't have a differing opinion. It's just that TPM is objectively the inferior film, on pretty much every level of filmmaking. And that's a fact.2 points
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"One-off" melodies, tunes, and ditties
Jurassic Shark reacted to mrbellamy for a topic
I was about to post this in the "favorite short moments" thread but decided maybe it deserved a thread of its own. I feel like we have had one of these before, actually, but couldn't find anything recent and couldn't really narrow it down to a thread with the right search phrases... Anyway, you all know what I'm talking about. Those addictive little bastards that come completely out of nowhere, steal the show for a fleeting moment, and then you never hear from them again. I was reminded of this recently as I was listening to the KOTCS sessions for the first time and that random 15-second Ruskie miniature came up in the first half of the Jungle Chase. It's one of my favorite things about Williams and no other film composer does it with this kind of frequency and panache, really. It's such a great technique for energizing a section of a cue or giving a film moment a little identity of its own, and even in a way resets my attention span during listening. Especially when these show up in the middle of a frantic action cue or some atmospheric bit of underscore, I guess it's his way of re-establishing a more conventional tonal language to easily catch the ear without always having to fall back on a theme or motif. It's just this simple trick that never fails to grab me, make me smile, or tap along. Hook's red carpet descent is another favorite that pops to mind. I'm not necessarily talking about notable setpiece-specific themes like "The Barrel Chase," "The Basket Chase," or even the "Asteroid Field" fanfare, though I guess that's borderline. I'd argue even that feels a little bit more like a centerpiece than what I'm thinking of, same with a few others like "Jedi Steps". Rule of thumb might be the easier it is to give a name to, the less it qualifies! But it's those blink-and-you-miss-it cameos, the minor minor leaguers, supporting the supporting players. Almost feels like it comes from the spirit of vaudeville or musical revues, at least with the blockbuster scores. They're like these rookie performers who come out in between the bigger acts, tell a quick joke, do a little tap dance or maybe a magic trick, and then they're whisked off stage. Love it! Or on the opposite end of the spectrum, it can also be a completely isolated, non-thematic moment of melodic beauty. The opening flute solo for Rey's first close-up in "The Scavenger," for example, or this: Any thoughts on this aspect of Williams's approach to scoring? What are your favorites? Does anybody else really compare to Williams as far as this goes? Examples from those folks are welcome too. Go!1 point -
"We basically need a Raider's March... but for space, not for the desert."1 point
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THE ADVENTURES OF HAN - 2018 John Williams theme for Solo: A Star Wars Story
James reacted to Jurassic Shark for a topic
Since Poe is basically Han Solo reincarnated, it would make sense to make a similar theme for Han.1 point -
and put it in retrogrades, and invert it! No-one will know.1 point
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Favorite short musical moments in Williams scores?
Cerebral Cortex reacted to Taikomochi for a topic
One of the few pieces of film music that is able to regularly move me to tears.1 point -
How good or bad a film is had nothing to do with how good or bad a score is, Richard1 point
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Your current audio equipment..
A24 reacted to #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal for a topic
Lots of cool buttons!1 point -
What Is The Last Score You Listened To? (older scores)
Bespin reacted to Naïve Old Fart for a topic
Yeah. That fucking Williams, fucking up a perfect good OST.1 point -
THE LAST JEDI - For Your Consideration (FYC) Album
Taikomochi reacted to Breadstick Basilisk for a topic
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How much of your music library has never been played?
Bayesian reacted to Richard Penna for a topic
I got to the point where I'd open an album folder and couldn't tell you what it would sound like because I'd never listened to it. Unless you make a concerted effort to listen to a different score every day, there just isn't enough time to listen to everything once a collection reaches a certain point.1 point -
SPOILER TALK - The Last Jedi (open spoilers allowed!!!)
Arpy reacted to #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal for a topic
The Force.1 point -
How much of your music library has never been played?
Jurassic Shark reacted to 1977 for a topic
I sold over 900 DVDs / BDs / LDs this past year, partly due to financial needs and partly to get rid of stuff that I realised I actually didn't want. A large chunk of those movies I'd never even seen (and most likely never will now). Also, moving house makes one question the sense of keeping stuff you never use, just for the sake of owning it.1 point -
I really wish Williams had offered full concertized versions for both of the themes in the suite and not the oddly economic combination of Luke in Exile/Ahch-To Island and Rose's theme where neither is given their full due.1 point
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THE LAST JEDI - For Your Consideration (FYC) Album
Bryant Burnette reacted to #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal for a topic
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A nice appreciation from Alex Ross in the New Yorker. https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/a-field-guide-to-the-musical-leitmotifs-of-star-wars Especially liked the references he raises at the end:1 point
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Who is able to compose music for Avatar 2
leeallen01 reacted to A. A. Ron for a topic
I'd want JNH or Howard Shore. Somehow I don't see Cameron going for a Zimmerite. I expect Simon Franglen. What if the score was composed by JNH and Simon Franglen together with a small army of orchestrators?1 point -
THE ADVENTURES OF HAN - 2018 John Williams theme for Solo: A Star Wars Story
Pieter Boelen reacted to gkgyver for a topic
And the other half can't hear a Battle Of The Heroes quote when it nibbles on their nuts, and hears Imperial March references where there are none (The Spark).1 point -
There you have it. John Williams is sexist! Karol1 point
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THE LAST JEDI - For Your Consideration (FYC) Album
Pieter Boelen reacted to Docteur Qui for a topic
Does anyone else find "Rey's Journey" almost unlistenable? Not the music mind you, which is phenomenal, but the editing on the track. 00:28 - 00:38 has the most heinous tempo slowing I've heard, even worse than the climax of Jedi Steps/Finale in TFA's promo CD. I'm going to try and edit it back to its original state, anyone else attempting something similar?1 point -
FYC 18 The Last Jedi (5:02) OST equivalent: 18 The Last Jedi (3:04) The opening of the FYC track (0:00-1:15) is an unreleased cue that covers the Resistance following the crystal critters into the caves, Rey hovering over and scanning for their location, and then both parties arriving at opposite sides of the stone-piled exit. The rest of the FYC track is roughly the same as the OST track, and covers Kylo and Luke's final showdown. The FYC track is longer though, because the OST appears to be microedited in a few spots - there's a section microedited out of the OST at 0:15 that is intact in the FYC from 1:30-1:53, then another section microedited out of the OST at 0:22 that is intact in the FYC from 2:00-2:09, and finally compare OST 1:26-1:30 to FYC 3:14-3:22 and OST 1:45-1:48 to FYC 3:38-3:44. So overall, I'd again recommend just using the entire FYC track and ignoring the OST track in a complete edit.1 point
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Close Encounters of the Third Kind - La-La Land MUSIC Discussion
Ricard reacted to The Five Tones for a topic
Received my copy up in Toronto during the holidays and was able to listen a few days ago. As someone who grew up with my favourite record being the Arista LP - the music was so inspiring but the sound was a bit of a mess even by 70s-80s era standards - there was no way for me to really prepare for the revelation of Matessino's new version. Blown away. Reading that the transfers were done from 16-track masters and then hearing all of this detail I never had before suggests to me that it's not only a remaster but a proper remix as well, i.e. radically different (and welcome) balances. At least in some cases on CD1 (ex. Barry's Kidnapping). Has this been confirmed? Thanks as well to whomever created the chrono playlist. I'm currently favouring it, although with the inclusion of Inside and the wild Visions (CD1 track 1). Watching the Skies sounds so fresh, like it could've been tracked on the 2016 film Arrival and fit right in. The whole thing just feels like the proverbial room in your house you never knew was there... hopefully containing a closet with the Dracula masters inside, back from the dead!1 point -
The Man with the Grey Elevated Hair (29:40) Fly-on-the-wall footage intermixed with some weird, artsy narration from god knows who. But lots of good footage of working out scenes in the woods - Jerry Horne on the run, Cooper rescuing Laura in Part 17, the cops finding Naido in the woods, Diane and Cooper in the hotel in Part 18, Sherilyn/Audrey learning her character motivations. It's amazing to see how Lynch works with actors. Guiding the actress who plays Naido in exactly how he wants her to move. Telling Jerry Horne that he "turns [his] head and sees the thing, and then panics," and he asks later what "the thing is," and Lynch replies "anger." Lynch losing his shit that Washington didn't have quick-set plaster for him to mold the golden circle in the woods, and they only had plaster of paris. Sheryl Lee and Kyle McLachlan seeing themselves in their Fire Walk With Me costumes for the first time. Lots of really neat stuff.1 point
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SPOILER TALK - The Last Jedi (open spoilers allowed!!!)
John reacted to Pieter Boelen for a topic
Interesting! Anything in there that wasn't in the film?1 point -
Today I bought 5 Jerry Goldsmith soundtracks!
Josh500 reacted to Yavar Moradi for a topic
I agree with Thor on those two being the best of the bunch, though I like the others too (better in their expanded versions, of course!) Most fans love King Solomon's Mines but it's probably my least favorite of the five. Yavar1 point -
THE EDGE and RUDY are great. For the others, I have a more lukewarm connection. But nice haul nonetheless!1 point
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THE ADVENTURES OF HAN - 2018 John Williams theme for Solo: A Star Wars Story
igger6 reacted to Lord Zimmer for a topic
Wait until I get my hands on this franchise. Bout to drop dem synths!1 point -
Say hello to Starkiller II. They started building it during the events of TLJ.1 point
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Some pics from the Last Jedi recording sessions!
Joni Wiljami reacted to Marc for a topic
Pics from a friend who had the pleasure of recording VII and VIII1 point -
Soundtracks, Compilations, or other recently purchased Music
Bespin reacted to Naïve Old Fart for a topic
I descending order: CE3K JAWS 2 THE MISSOURI BREAKS STANLEY AND IRIS E.T. STAR WARS A.I. HOME ALONE I LOVE A PARADE LIGHTS CAMERA MUSIC TOM SAWYER (mean, mean stride ) BFG THE LAST JEDI RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK (save the vinyl until last)1 point -
After 2 weeks or so of listening to TLJ, TFA is probably my overall favorite of the two simply because of the new themes and the end credits suite. Plus, I fell in love with TFA immediately while TLJ took a bit longer for me appreciate it overall. Also, while I think Rebellion is Reborn is excellent, I'm still disappointed Williams didn't create concert arrangements for each theme. I feel if he could expand the Fawkes and Chamber of Secrets themes, he could have done the same for the Rose and Luke/Island themes instead of combining them. But the new thematic material... , especially Holdo's/Desperation theme. I do, however, feel the action music in TLJ is far superior and more suspenseful than TFA. Granted, TFA didn't have as many exciting action sequences and was definitely lacking suspense but that's more of a complaint in regards to the film.1 point
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The Next Matessino/Williams/Spielberg Expansion
Not Mr. Big reacted to Orgasm[+]Donor. for a topic
I think i would prefer memoirs of a geisha and seven years in tibet.1 point -
The Next Matessino/Williams/Spielberg Expansion
Not Mr. Big reacted to Wojo for a topic
Where's the choice for "none of the above/the OST is sufficient?"1 point -
But half of this score doesn't go anywhere. Something like Deciding to Publish is one big wait for the piece to actually start but it never does.1 point
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Shocking images have leaked from Disney's CCTV system.1 point
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All her hairstyles were superior to everyone else. "Emissary" longer unkempt hair, season 1-2 short updo, season 3 combover, season 4-6 slightly longer layered style and season 7 longer extreme side part. The best episode for Kira's season 7 hair is "Covenant". It's a very weird one and despite being Kira and Dukat-centric, it's debatable whether it's actually a good one in terms of story and characters. That being said, it almost seems like the episode was designed to showcase Kira's hair. It's like 45 minutes for you to just gaze upon those luscious locks. What a goddess.1 point
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"One-off" melodies, tunes, and ditties
leeallen01 reacted to igger6 for a topic
The best example of this I can think of is non-Williams, actually. At the climax of JNH's Atlantis, just when the plot is getting hopelessly weird, a lot of orchestral Sturm und Drang suddenly dissolves into a jaw-dropping melody for solo voice. The first time I heard it, it was some of the most beautiful music I'd ever heard. Give it about ten seconds for context to fully appreciate it. The awesomeness begins at 1:50 or so:1 point