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That idea gels with just about every score except for The Empire Strikes Back. The Rebel Fanfare doesn't coincide with any scenes or shots of the Falcon. And there are the cameos of the theme in TPM and RotS, if you want to count them.
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Loved the film and the soundtrack, but I agree wholeheartedly that the Force theme is a dead horse. I was highly annoyed to hear the music for the last ten seconds of the film - that's three films in a row that have ended with nearly identical variations on the Force theme (though I do enjoy TFA's expansion of this musical moment). And with so much to work with - the "Jedi Steps" theme, Luke's new theme, Luke's old theme, etc. - there's no excuse for such an overreliance on the Force theme.
I'll throw another opinion out: There's too much music. Kylo Ren's scene in the elevator didn't need to be scored with that brassy blowout (adapted straight from the TFA end credits). Sometimes silence is the best music. I loved the moments in TFA where Williams' score was dialed out, like Rey's introduction and Hux's speech. Not because the music was bad, but because it would have gotten in the way.
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Electronic music is not a monolithic art that one either understands or doesn't. Williams has incorporated synthesizers and electronic instruments into many of his scores, so it's safe to say he's not totally ignorant of the electronic side of music. I think it's also safe to say that Williams doesn't have Hans Zimmer's fluency in modern digital audio production. There are some things he knows and there are some things he doesn't know. Yeah, he wrote Heartbeeps almost forty years ago. That doesn't mean he's fully equipped to write the kind of electronic music that's in vogue right now.
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12 hours ago, skyy38 said:
It's only condescending , if you don't have enough knowledge, to back up your original assertions.
I'm not here to "put anyone down" just in case YOU haven't noticed.No, it's condescending either way.
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58 minutes ago, skyy38 said:
If I was writing the score, I'd make darn sure that everything I wrote was crystal clear, no matter how many staves it takes.
If I want trumpet and flute doubling up on a melody line, supported by strings, I will write it, as such, so that there is NO question what my orchestrator's job is.
My job, is to provide the "blueprint." My orchestrator's job is to "build the house" based on that blueprint.
You don't say "use some wood for the door frame"-you SPECIFY what you want in no uncertain terms.Thanks, skyy! I really needed that condescending answer to a rhetorical question I asked seven years ago.
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Yeah, the big downside with the 2CD release is just the sound quality. There were some hiccups in the production process that made some of the tracks, particularly in the latter half of the score, come out sounding very compressed and degraded. The source material is still in good shape - I believe that was proved by the remastering of one track for the "Musical Journey" CD in 2005 - but the production of the set garbled it. That said, if you're dealing with the roar of a car or plane engine, you might not notice much of a difference.
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3 minutes ago, Will said:
@Henry Buck, I'm asking since you're on the forum now, is the official ROTJ 2CD release essentially complete?
Hi! Well, I think there are several who could swoop in with more comprehensive answers, but in the meantime: It's about 95% complete.
The 2CD release doesn't include the two source pieces that were replaced in the Special Edition: "Lapti Nek" and "Ewok Celebration" (of which there are three, I think, versions, two of which were included on the 4CD Arista Records Anthology set). It's also missing an alternate version of "Leia Breaks the News," which is included on the Arista set.
There are then a couple pieces which have never been released, and the recordings are believed to have been destroyed. These include the concert suite "Jabba the Hutt," another source cue from Jabba's Palace, and a six-second insert recorded for the Battle of Endor.
But part of the "Jabba the Hutt" concert suite is edited into the track "Han Solo Returns" on the OST. Or on the Arista set, maybe.
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1 hour ago, Daniel Clamp said:
But that's what a man in the movies does. He grabs his woman and makes love to her, even if they're about to die.
But because Disney doesn't want to upset SJWs who think "man with woman equals oppression", it's afraid to show people being human.
There's somebody who's afraid here, but it's not Disney execs or "SJWs."
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One motif that I haven't seen any discussion of is the film's treatment of technology. It's faithful to the technical imagination of the 1970s, which seems quaint now in many ways. (Why didn't Leia just immediately upload the Death Star plans to Rebel Alliance servers all across the galaxy? Why did Obi-Wan have to physically shut down the tractor beam instead of hacking the Death Star's wi-fi network and doing it remotely?) The clunkiness of the 1970s is constantly throwing obstacles in the heroes' path. Bodhi can't get in touch with the Rebel Fleet because the communication cable isn't long enough. Jyn and Cassian have to alert the Fleet to open a special channel because the schematics are too large to be sent through normal means. I think it was totally self aware. And I loved that the Master Switch is a big, goofy lever.
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Loved it. New favorite bad movie. It was the cinematic equivalent of a raucous college party. Self-destructive and regrettable, but fun in the moment. Worth it alone for Vader's final scene.
Minority opinion: I concur with Quint about Tarkin. I'm not bothered by the ethical implications of this Frankenstein monster. I just thought it was really cool to see a classic villain again. For what it's worth, I thought Stephen Stanton did a better impression of Peter Cushing on Clone Wars/Rebels, but I understand that they wanted to go with the same person for both the motion capture and the voice.
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Will, great job on the restoration. It's interesting to see how this was meant to be scored.
About the music, though: in my opinion, that cue absolutely trashes that scene. Thank God it was cut. I think Williams is as strong a composer as ever, but I've felt many of his recent films have suffered from an excess of music. He's either forgotten how effective silence can be, or else his directors have just asked for too much music in spotting. It's hard to explain why I find this Hux music so grating, but it makes me feel like I'm watching the prequels. It turns the scene into B-movie material. The melodrama is totally unjustified and ridiculous.
Some of my favorite moments of TFA are the ones without music: Rey's introduction, Finn's discovery of the crashed TIE Fighter, Han and Kylo's confrontation. Does anybody really believe that Han and Kylo's scene needed more elegiac, weepy strings right from the get-go?
But I do love the alternate cue for Han's death! In that case, I feel Abrams played it too safe in a moment where all-out melodrama was appropriate.
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This doesn't look like the original suit? But it has the red-tinted eyes, the cape over the shoulder plates, and the chest plate design. The only thing that isn't faithful to the original Star Wars, perhaps, is the glossiness. According to this report, they tried to base it on the original suit.
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The audiences for Symphony Hall need an intermission in a 2+ hour concert. There's alcohol served, and the patrons are mostly old, so you can imagine. I would think the situation is similar with the other orchestras that have played Raiders.
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If Rogue One was going to be yet another slow, joyless, self-important, "dark," blockbuster film, thank goodness they're doing reshoots. Yes, it seems anti-creative to bring the film closer in line with The Force Awakens, but what if the studio is saving us from the next "Man of Steel"? Or maybe the movie was amazing, and Disney wants to ruin it. I'm just saying we shouldn't assume the worst.
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I loved it. The Boston Pops were every bit the equal of the often deified LSO, with the exception of just a single moment. When Indy climbs on top of the German submarine, the entrance of the trumpets playing the Raiders March sounded distant and dull, making the cue not quite as euphoric as it could have been. Ah well. The music came across prominently in the mix - probably louder than the theatrical mix - but never overwhelmed the dialogue and effects.
I'm pretty sure I heard a recorded choir during "Map Room," but it's possible my brain was just filling in the blanks. I don't remember at all whether there was a recorded choir in the other cues.
That new bit of music Williams wrote for the first confrontation with Belloq was not included. Everything was reproduced faithfully, although I do wish we could have gotten at least a full performance of the end credits without microedits.
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I'm seeing it tonight in Boston! I'll let you guys know if there are any performance oddities.
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On 4/2/2016 at 6:00 PM, Bill said:
I'm trying to decide which version of TFA to buy. Does anyone here know whether the Digital HD download code that comes in the Blu-ray/DVD/Digital HD set includes the bonus features (not just the film itself)? Does that Digital HD download code included in the three-disc set have the extra digital-only deleted scene (the one with Han, Finn, etc. under Maz's castle getting attacked by stormtroopers)?
It gives you a choice of different services to redeem the film from: iTunes, Google Play, Amazon, etc., but once you choose one you're locked in. I went with iTunes, and fortunately it did include all the extras, including the deleted scene of Maz's castle.
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18 hours ago, DarthDementous said:
that Han's Death alternate cue is absolutely gorgeous. I believe that rising motif at the start plays during the Attack on Jakku Village on the OST. I feel like the Starkiller music shouldn't have been tracked into that moment, the music there really drives home the tragedy more with the straining Force theme and its not as muted. that sort of music serves a melancholic scene like the firing of Starkiller base but not something as significant as the death of Han.
It's not necessarily this music vs. the Starkiller music. Assuming the music for Han's death starts at 1:25 in the clip, the music is about 40 seconds long. The film/album version takes about 30 seconds before going into the Starkiller Reprise. Doesn't quite match, but this clip seems to only cover the beginning of the moment, not Han's body falling away, Leia's reaction, and so forth.
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Maybe the shorter version is the one from the end credits, assuming each part of the end credits was recorded separately.
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Interesting. I agree with you that the transition in ROTS was stilted, but the TFA modification of it fixed everything, I thought. If you were looking for an authentic V-I cadence it's not that, but the harmonic rhythm and trajectory felt right to me. I can't qualify it further.
It is pretty embarrassing, though, that the crash cymbals are half a beat off on the downbeat of the end credits. I think it's an editing issue, not a performance one.
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There's more to this track! It's not even used in the game proper, but it has the full main theme: