Mattris

What makes you think "Star Wars is but a kid’s movie"? What exactly comprises "a kid’s movie"? Why are you here talking so much about "a kid’s movie"?
  
 
On the contrary, I know I'm right... and with more than enough evidence to prove it. I presented some of it in this very thread, a fact you and others habitually ignore.
 
You really have no good reason to doubt me. Compared to your interpretation of Star Wars, mine is objectively superior: All featured character arcs, throughline themes, and major plot elements within the story actually have a rhyme and a reason. All told, it amounts to a story worth being told to everyone, not just to kids.
 
You don't think you're right, do you? Based on what evidence and logical reasoning? Surely, you have something to offer!
 
Honestly, I glanced over your utterly pathetic response and noticed - not for the first time - that you made no good points; you're just contradicting me from a perceived position of strength when you actually have nothing hold on to but assumptions.

I addressed this. Rey's lineage/origin was locked-in as the trilogy was being formulated on a basic level. Daisy Ridley didn't need to know the truth and wasn't told until 2018, making her performances in TFA and TLJ that much more authentic.
 
This interview is 'a bit', adding to the series that Gad and Ridley shot - along with many other famous actors - in the lead up to TLJ. (They're still available on YouTube.)

I don't perceive Greedo to be important to the story. I do prefer the original film: Han Solo was threatened at gunpoint and shot in self-defense.
 
 
Distraction and underestimation.
 
 
The possibility that George Lucas was told by the Disney/Lucasfilm executives that they weren't going forward with his sequel treatment - but, in fact, did - is so remote, it treads into the territory of absurdity. They lied to Lucas about breaking a promise? Nonsense.
 
 
Could you rephrase?

I don't perceive Greedo to be important to the story. I do prefer the original film: Han Solo was threatened at gunpoint and shot in self-defense.
 
 
Distraction and underestimation.
 
 
The possibility that George Lucas was told by the Disney/Lucasfilm executives that they weren't going forward with his sequel treatment - but, in fact, did - is so remote, it treads into the territory of absurdity. They lied to Lucas about breaking a promise? Nonsense.
 
 
Could you rephrase?

The leaked letter was a clever distraction, to lead us to believe that He was weak when He was, in fact, strong—in a masterful move to make us underestimate His powers...so that when the final trilogy is released, we'll be simultaneously humbled and brought into a state of bliss as all is revealed to our tired eyes, ears, and hearts...and we unite to sing the praises of His greatest prophet...
 
 

What makes you think "Star Wars is but a kid’s movie"? What exactly comprises "a kid’s movie"? Why are you here talking so much about "a kid’s movie"?
  
 
On the contrary, I know I'm right... and with more than enough evidence to prove it. I presented some of it in this very thread, a fact you and others habitually ignore.
 
You really have no good reason to doubt me. Compared to your interpretation of Star Wars, mine is objectively superior: All featured character arcs, throughline themes, and major plot elements within the story actually have a rhyme and a reason. All told, it amounts to a story worth being told to everyone, not just to kids.
 
You don't think you're right, do you? Based on what evidence and logical reasoning? Surely, you have something to offer!
 
Honestly, I glanced over your utterly pathetic response and noticed - not for the first time - that you made no good points; you're just contradicting me from a perceived position of strength when you actually have nothing hold on to but assumptions.

@JTW Sounds like you don't have as much appreciation for this swill as I do. All good—Mattris always goes into hibernation after each round of posting. But for my money, this thread is only interesting when he's here to spout his utterly masterful trollspeak. No offense to anyone else.

You know what, you’re right. Star Wars IS the greatest story ever told. I don’t know why I thought anyone would be convinced by my utterly pathetic arguments when everything is clearly proceeding just as you have foreseen. Forgive me master for doubting the power of your mighty sledgehammer.

Oh, you gullible fool! That was all a publicity stunt masterminded by George Lucas himself.
 
“White slavers” was actually an allegory for the child slavery scenes on Canto Bight in Rian Johnson’s Star Wars: The Last Jedi (a film clearly mapped out by the same Lucasfilm team who worked on The Force Awakens). 
 
I’ve come to understand these rich connections through years of intense research and study, analysing the words and works of George Lucas to a degree not achieved by any other living being. You can only hope to achieve even a fraction of the knowledge I possess. Now, it’s my turn to ask: 
 
What does “white slavers” mean to you?

I addressed this. Rey's lineage/origin was locked-in as the trilogy was being formulated on a basic level. Daisy Ridley didn't need to know the truth and wasn't told until 2018, making her performances in TFA and TLJ that much more authentic.
 
This interview is 'a bit', adding to the series that Gad and Ridley shot - along with many other famous actors - in the lead up to TLJ. (They're still available on YouTube.)

Episode X is already finished. They'll probably complete principal photography of XI and XII before X is released.
 
As for release dates, I'm keeping in mind that a significant 50th anniversary is on the horizon.

Episode X is already finished. They'll probably complete principal photography of XI and XII before X is released.
 
As for release dates, I'm keeping in mind that a significant 50th anniversary is on the horizon.

Episode X is already finished. They'll probably complete principal photography of XI and XII before X is released.
 
As for release dates, I'm keeping in mind that a significant 50th anniversary is on the horizon.

Episode X is already finished. They'll probably complete principal photography of XI and XII before X is released.
 
As for release dates, I'm keeping in mind that a significant 50th anniversary is on the horizon.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Look at Nostradamus. It only took 500 years for his prophecies to be proven wrong. So Matty is still good. 
 

 
All hail Mattris!
 
Oh, you're too kind, Master.

With my story evidence as the basis for my theories and conclusions, I see Lucasfilm's seemingly endless chaos/controversies/cancelled Star Wars projects as a distraction to make them appear (even more) incompetent to the disillusioned fans. ('Act weak when you are strong'.)
 
Han (in Shriywook, to Chewy): You and I freedom make... by secret battle of pretend.
 
 
Ol' George visited the set of The Mandalorian  for photos with the crew and Baby Yoda. He also stood next to Kathleen Kennedy and laughed with her, as shown in one of the official behind-the-scenes videos. Strange behavior for someone who had been betrayed.

Again you feel the need to diagnose me, @JTW. Let's have a look at you.
 
Perhaps on some level you've realized the weakness of your position on the topic of Star Wars, especially compared against mine.
Rather than attempt to strengthen or clarify your position, you've continued trying to diminish mine.
You are clearly desperate to make me look bad even though my unique perspective has already been proven right on multiple fronts.
You might hope that aligning with those 'against me' will finally dissuade or demoralize me. Rest assured, it won't.
 
To summarize:
 
You have presented no logical reasoning, no credible/corroborated evidence based on facts.
Your entire thought process is driven by hardened opinions, having assumed so much for so long.
You have no record of correct narrative/character predictions.
You have never quoted from the Star Wars canon, excerpts that could bolster your interpretation of the story.
You consider Star Wars "a kids movie" but have offered no insight, no interesting takes, and can't even tell me what you think the story is.
You think the current makers of Star Wars don't understand the IP.
You have no proof of any controversies happening at Lucasfilm, nor any proof of cancelled projects or fired film makers. (News reports aren't proof. Project announcements are not proof of pre-production or that said projects were ever intended to have been made.)
You think those personally hired/appointed by George Lucas have been betraying their mentor/former boss, actions that could diminish his work and legacy.
You don't like Star Wars beyond the OT, going so far as to dismiss its further installments from the overall story.
The fact that your simplistic, pessimistic Star Wars conclusions are held by many people means absolutely nothing.
 
All told... You shouldn't be surprised when you realize that your stance on Star Wars was weak, naive, and proven to have been objectively wrong. But you probably will be.

Just in case you missed it, Chen... In my fourth post on the previous page, I logically deduced how the Saga needed to continue past Episode VI, especially after the prequels gave context to the OT:
 
After being instructed by the very individuals who weren't able to foresee - or do anything to prevent - the utter destruction of the Jedi Order and collapse of the Republic they served, why was it expected by the audience that former farm boy Luke Skywalker - along with his sister (Princess) Leia who sought out one of the individuals for help - would have been able to create a lasting, prosperous New Jedi Order and New Republic? (This, after their victory over a galactic empire by way of mere good intentions, violence, and mysterious magic powers.)
 
In other words, what did the next generation of characters learn or experience throughout their journey that made clear that the story ended Happily Ever After... and would have not continued with the same things happening again with the subsequent generation?
 
The answer:  Nothing. The sequel trilogy showed what the audience should have expected: The same/similar events happened yet again. The story must continue still.
 
 
The primary definition from Oxford Languages:
 
al·le·go·ry
/ˈaləˌɡôrē/
noun
 
a story, poem, or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.
 
 
 
Star Wars is precisely this, yet the 'reveals' are still to come.

I expected those responses because I know the Star Wars audience's attention has been naturally drawn to the visually-stimulating, exciting action/adventure elements of the story. (I was for a long time.)  So the audience's focus is understandable, especially for those who view the IP as escapism... a simple story of good vs. evil that clearly ends 'happily ever after'.
 
But I view these elements as a distraction. The true purpose of Star Wars has nothing to do with space ships, lightsaber duels, or physical wars.
 
It's really a spiritual battle.

Nah, I'm just testing my thoughts and theories with (presumably) real people. This response to my point and direct question causes me to think you do understand the logic but just don't want to give me credit... a consistency in this thread.
 
 
Unlikely. I'm using the totality of the literal words of the Star Wars canon to interpret the story from the point of view that it is, by definition, a mythological allegorical fairytale.
 
Your conclusions are based primarily on the assumption that your surface-level interpretation of the (single trilogy) story is correct and that the seemingly endless string of reported chaos at Lucasfilm over the last decade bolsters your overall assessment.
 
Mind you, the sources of these 'reports' are unconfirmed, as are their allegiances. In truth, these presumed 'behind-the-scenes controversies' are most likely falsities put forth to distract the masses. But that won't stop people like you from believing them, will it? Surely, so many couldn't have been played as fools. That's impossible!
 
Like it or not, my arguments over the last (nearly) five years have withstood scrutiny. Criticisms of my approach - and those of the Star Wars story itself - based in the underestimation of those in charge have been dismissed as a illegitimate, illogical, and most importantly, unproductive.
 
Those who continue to proclaim 'Star Wars is bad now... or, at the very least, has taken a turn for the worse' is a fruitless endeavor and antithetical to the very purpose of this story which was created to instill hope and happiness to its audience.
 
 
I remember I was saluted here after the (not so) shocking TROS teaser trailer dropped and after certain specific theories of mine were confirmed in the film itself. Mark my words, I will be saluted again... sooner or later. While I don't require such admiration from strangers who habitually doubt and disagree with me, I appreciate the debate and will get a laugh out of it. 
 
The fact that I'm alone here in my perspective makes me unique, Nick. That's all.

1.  Kathleen Kennedy, the executive producers, writers, and directors of the canon works (films, shows, novels, games, comics), all members of the Lucasfilm Story Group, Dave Filoni, Jon Faverau
 
2.  My interpretation is that the story and grander intent of Star Wars has remained consistent, even with the newest installments. There was always a grand plan, and Kathleen Kennedy is seeing it through. Any who believe otherwise have an objectively incorrect interpretation of the story... and might be putting too much stock in the Lucasfilm-designed artifice meant to keep the masses distracted from their real  plans.
 
3.  Considerable thoughtfulness was required to escape the doldrums of disenchantment and ignorance. I managed to expand my interpretation beyond a relative surface-level. I believe in this 'space soap opera children's story' because I think it was intended to teach its audience valuable life lessons and universal truths... not only to 12-year-olds.
 
Why do you think Star Wars doesn't have a message based in grander areas of thought or belief? George Lucas has been abundantly clear that he designed his story from these-type works of the past. Perhaps you can let me know what so many have trouble with:
 
What do you think is the story of Star Wars?

So the Lucasfilm Story Group is not doing their job? The Star Wars story is a baton passed from one person to the next, haphazardly? What evidence do you have that supports this theory? What do you think the Star Wars story was intended to be from its beginning, at least as of the time of filming the original movie?
 
 
Wrong question. The question you should be asking is "Why have you assumed that Anakin was redeemed?"
 
 
No, the merchandising rights (yes, product sales) yielded Lucas the capital to make the movies as he desired, as well as build his company and its subsidiaries.
 
But it wasn't the point of the Star Wars story to have been created. Money is just a means to an end. What is 'the end' of this work, its essence and purpose?
 
 
Wrong. I have this Star Wars knowledge, information, and interpretation whether you are "too stubborn or too stupid" to see it or not.
 
 
No, I'm just showing you that logically there must  be more to the story... that there factually is  more... as seen from another point of view. I have a proven track record of successful predictions. At this point, who are you to doubt me?
 
 
Ah, but the story as interpreted on a surface level is  lame: It's full of plot holes, questionable themes, and moral ambiguity. The lore and history of the galaxy is unknown, especially as the Force is concerned. The Force, which is the main crutch and driving mechanism of the entire story. It's a fact  that the Jedi didn't understand it well at all. And neither do you. This is because the story has not told us enough about it, where it came, how it was discovered, and how it works... certainly not within the Saga films alone.
 
You have no confirmation that the general audience/fan interpretation of the story is correct. The fact that so many people disregard so much of the Star Wars canon should really indicate a logical conclusion: Their interpretation is likely (very) wrong. Shame people's pride and laziness impedes potential realization or progress towards deeper thought and an objectively superior interpretation of the story. Complaining and underestimating are the popular default responses. How utterly sad.
 
I agree, "the truth doesn't care how it makes you feel."  But you don't seem to have any pertinent facts, much less "dull" ones. You've presented no substantive evidence that I am experiencing a 'delusion'. You may think you're not delusional, but we both know you're not having "fun".
 
What do you think Star Wars means to me?

I'm entertained by Star Wars also. This doesn't preclude me from reading into it - and getting out of it - what I think was intended. George Lucas made clear from the beginning what was the foundation and purpose of the story: It's a "modern fairytale" formed from the old myths. If you're aware of this fact, you are choosing to ignore it.
 
You may be shocked when you eventually 'realize the truth': Along with the majority, you were in the Matrix all along. It was 'your boy Mattris' who was in 'the real world'.
 
 
Star Wars is a story of the greatest quality... and not just for kids.
 
For his Star Wars contributions, John Williams will be given the further credit he deserves... once it's finally confirmed how much more substance he baked into the scores than most noticed because he knew then what I know now.
 
 
The difference is, my interpretation is based on the literal words of the official canon - in addition to the films alone - namely the screenplays and novelizations. Words have meaning, and I garner meaning in certain phrases and reoccurring themes throughout the totality of the story, especially as they relate to other important stories and the human experience. (I quoted dozens of them in this very topic, illustrating how I arrived at my theories which were proven right.)
 
What does your little Star Wars essay indicate?
 
 
Are you sure about that? On what are you basing your conclusion?
 
 
Simple minded? You are denying the literal words of the only primary evidence we have!
 
 
No, you just don't perceive deeper layers, perhaps because you don't want to. You don't want to try. You don't want to acknowledge you may have missed something. That you could be wrong.
 
 
What do you mean by "redemption"? What do you think Lucas intended with Anakin's overall character arc or the story, in general? What do you think were the moral takeaways for the kiddies? I agree that the story treats the audience like dumb children. (And most took the bait.)
 
 
You may have been "stupidly entertained for 2 hours". But from a certain point of view, the Star Wars story is just as profound. You just don't know it yet.

Mattris, I feel as though your mission here is to dispel the gloom, which isn't a bad thing...but some of us are just beyond saving, and prefer to wrap ourselves in a warm blanket of disenchantment and wallow in our despondency.

While I was never one to worship at the altar of Star Wars, they've been more than just movies and disposable entertainment to me, in the same way John Williams' music isn't "just music".
 
I feel a strong connection to them, but not enough to build a cathedral in their honour. But if someone else wants to, I say: "Hey, whatever makes you happy."