Jump to content

Mattris

Members
  • Posts

    1,491
  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won

    3

Reputation Activity

  1. Haha
    Mattris got a reaction from Trope in Star Wars Disenchantment   
    Again you feel the need to diagnose me, @JTW. Let's have a look at you.
     
    Perhaps on some level you've realized the weakness of your position on the topic of Star Wars, especially compared against mine.
    Rather than attempt to strengthen or clarify your position, you've continued trying to diminish mine.
    You are clearly desperate to make me look bad even though my unique perspective has already been proven right on multiple fronts.
    You might hope that aligning with those 'against me' will finally dissuade or demoralize me. Rest assured, it won't.
     
    To summarize:
     
    You have presented no logical reasoning, no credible/corroborated evidence based on facts.
    Your entire thought process is driven by hardened opinions, having assumed so much for so long.
    You have no record of correct narrative/character predictions.
    You have never quoted from the Star Wars canon, excerpts that could bolster your interpretation of the story.
    You consider Star Wars "a kids movie" but have offered no insight, no interesting takes, and can't even tell me what you think the story is.
    You think the current makers of Star Wars don't understand the IP.
    You have no proof of any controversies happening at Lucasfilm, nor any proof of cancelled projects or fired film makers. (News reports aren't proof. Project announcements are not proof of pre-production or that said projects were ever intended to have been made.)
    You think those personally hired/appointed by George Lucas have been betraying their mentor/former boss, actions that could diminish his work and legacy.
    You don't like Star Wars beyond the OT, going so far as to dismiss its further installments from the overall story.
    The fact that your simplistic, pessimistic Star Wars conclusions are held by many people means absolutely nothing.
     
    All told... You shouldn't be surprised when you realize that your stance on Star Wars was weak, naive, and proven to have been objectively wrong. But you probably will be.
  2. Haha
    Mattris got a reaction from Trope in Star Wars Disenchantment   
    Just in case you missed it, Chen... In my fourth post on the previous page, I logically deduced how the Saga needed to continue past Episode VI, especially after the prequels gave context to the OT:
     
    After being instructed by the very individuals who weren't able to foresee - or do anything to prevent - the utter destruction of the Jedi Order and collapse of the Republic they served, why was it expected by the audience that former farm boy Luke Skywalker - along with his sister (Princess) Leia who sought out one of the individuals for help - would have been able to create a lasting, prosperous New Jedi Order and New Republic? (This, after their victory over a galactic empire by way of mere good intentions, violence, and mysterious magic powers.)
     
    In other words, what did the next generation of characters learn or experience throughout their journey that made clear that the story ended Happily Ever After... and would have not continued with the same things happening again with the subsequent generation?
     
    The answer:  Nothing. The sequel trilogy showed what the audience should have expected: The same/similar events happened yet again. The story must continue still.
     
     
    The primary definition from Oxford Languages:
     
    al·le·go·ry
    /ˈaləˌɡôrē/
    noun
     
    a story, poem, or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.
     
     
     
    Star Wars is precisely this, yet the 'reveals' are still to come.
  3. Haha
    Mattris got a reaction from Trope in Star Wars Disenchantment   
    I expected those responses because I know the Star Wars audience's attention has been naturally drawn to the visually-stimulating, exciting action/adventure elements of the story. (I was for a long time.)  So the audience's focus is understandable, especially for those who view the IP as escapism... a simple story of good vs. evil that clearly ends 'happily ever after'.
     
    But I view these elements as a distraction. The true purpose of Star Wars has nothing to do with space ships, lightsaber duels, or physical wars.
     
    It's really a spiritual battle.
  4. Thanks
    Mattris reacted to Gabriel Bezerra in Star Wars Disenchantment   
    I think the one being aggressive is you though... But what do I know.
  5. Sleepy
    Mattris got a reaction from Nick1Ø66 in Star Wars Disenchantment   
    Just in case you missed it, Chen... In my fourth post on the previous page, I logically deduced how the Saga needed to continue past Episode VI, especially after the prequels gave context to the OT:
     
    After being instructed by the very individuals who weren't able to foresee - or do anything to prevent - the utter destruction of the Jedi Order and collapse of the Republic they served, why was it expected by the audience that former farm boy Luke Skywalker - along with his sister (Princess) Leia who sought out one of the individuals for help - would have been able to create a lasting, prosperous New Jedi Order and New Republic? (This, after their victory over a galactic empire by way of mere good intentions, violence, and mysterious magic powers.)
     
    In other words, what did the next generation of characters learn or experience throughout their journey that made clear that the story ended Happily Ever After... and would have not continued with the same things happening again with the subsequent generation?
     
    The answer:  Nothing. The sequel trilogy showed what the audience should have expected: The same/similar events happened yet again. The story must continue still.
     
     
    The primary definition from Oxford Languages:
     
    al·le·go·ry
    /ˈaləˌɡôrē/
    noun
     
    a story, poem, or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.
     
     
     
    Star Wars is precisely this, yet the 'reveals' are still to come.
  6. Haha
    Mattris reacted to Datameister in Star Wars Disenchantment   
    How can it simultaneously be so fun and so irritating to read one person's posts? 
  7. Haha
    Mattris got a reaction from A. A. Ron in Star Wars Disenchantment   
    I answered your three questions from pg. 187 regarding my perspective on Star Wars.
    Why don't you answer mine regarding the story of Star Wars?
    Until then, you'll get no response from me. 
     
     
    What are you afraid of?
     
     
    "You will be. You... will be." 
  8. Haha
    Mattris got a reaction from Richard Penna in Star Wars Disenchantment   
    I expected those responses because I know the Star Wars audience's attention has been naturally drawn to the visually-stimulating, exciting action/adventure elements of the story. (I was for a long time.)  So the audience's focus is understandable, especially for those who view the IP as escapism... a simple story of good vs. evil that clearly ends 'happily ever after'.
     
    But I view these elements as a distraction. The true purpose of Star Wars has nothing to do with space ships, lightsaber duels, or physical wars.
     
    It's really a spiritual battle.
  9. Haha
    Mattris got a reaction from Trope in Star Wars Disenchantment   
    Nah, I'm just testing my thoughts and theories with (presumably) real people. This response to my point and direct question causes me to think you do understand the logic but just don't want to give me credit... a consistency in this thread.
     
     
    Unlikely. I'm using the totality of the literal words of the Star Wars canon to interpret the story from the point of view that it is, by definition, a mythological allegorical fairytale.
     
    Your conclusions are based primarily on the assumption that your surface-level interpretation of the (single trilogy) story is correct and that the seemingly endless string of reported chaos at Lucasfilm over the last decade bolsters your overall assessment.
     
    Mind you, the sources of these 'reports' are unconfirmed, as are their allegiances. In truth, these presumed 'behind-the-scenes controversies' are most likely falsities put forth to distract the masses. But that won't stop people like you from believing them, will it? Surely, so many couldn't have been played as fools. That's impossible!
     
    Like it or not, my arguments over the last (nearly) five years have withstood scrutiny. Criticisms of my approach - and those of the Star Wars story itself - based in the underestimation of those in charge have been dismissed as a illegitimate, illogical, and most importantly, unproductive.
     
    Those who continue to proclaim 'Star Wars is bad now... or, at the very least, has taken a turn for the worse' is a fruitless endeavor and antithetical to the very purpose of this story which was created to instill hope and happiness to its audience.
     
     
    I remember I was saluted here after the (not so) shocking TROS teaser trailer dropped and after certain specific theories of mine were confirmed in the film itself. Mark my words, I will be saluted again... sooner or later. While I don't require such admiration from strangers who habitually doubt and disagree with me, I appreciate the debate and will get a laugh out of it. 
     
    The fact that I'm alone here in my perspective makes me unique, Nick. That's all.
  10. Haha
    Mattris got a reaction from JTN in Star Wars Disenchantment   
    Hint:  Star Wars is not about space ships, lightsaber duels, or physical wars.
     
     
    A more serious question:  If Han, Leia, and Chewy were the "bait", what exactly did Vader's "trap" entail?
     
     
    Chirrut Imwe (in Rogue One):  There is more than one kind of prison, Captain. I feel that you carry yours with you wherever you go.
     
    Eedy Karn (in Andor):  Everything says something, Syril. I've tried to make you understand that, but you've resisted.
     
     
    My interpretation of the Star Wars story is based on the fact  that its foundations rest in mythology, allegory, and fairytale.  Based on where the story progressed, multiple stated theories of mine have been proven accurate. They were formulated based on the only primary evidence that exists: the literal contents of the official canon material, dating back to the 1976 Star Wars novelization.
     
    Your interpretation is surface-level only - primarily the OT - with the assumption  that Star Wars has changed for the worse. If you have any evidence of this, I haven't seen it.
     
    It's not me who is delusional.
  11. Haha
    Mattris got a reaction from Erik Woods in Star Wars Disenchantment   
    Nah, I'm just testing my thoughts and theories with (presumably) real people. This response to my point and direct question causes me to think you do understand the logic but just don't want to give me credit... a consistency in this thread.
     
     
    Unlikely. I'm using the totality of the literal words of the Star Wars canon to interpret the story from the point of view that it is, by definition, a mythological allegorical fairytale.
     
    Your conclusions are based primarily on the assumption that your surface-level interpretation of the (single trilogy) story is correct and that the seemingly endless string of reported chaos at Lucasfilm over the last decade bolsters your overall assessment.
     
    Mind you, the sources of these 'reports' are unconfirmed, as are their allegiances. In truth, these presumed 'behind-the-scenes controversies' are most likely falsities put forth to distract the masses. But that won't stop people like you from believing them, will it? Surely, so many couldn't have been played as fools. That's impossible!
     
    Like it or not, my arguments over the last (nearly) five years have withstood scrutiny. Criticisms of my approach - and those of the Star Wars story itself - based in the underestimation of those in charge have been dismissed as a illegitimate, illogical, and most importantly, unproductive.
     
    Those who continue to proclaim 'Star Wars is bad now... or, at the very least, has taken a turn for the worse' is a fruitless endeavor and antithetical to the very purpose of this story which was created to instill hope and happiness to its audience.
     
     
    I remember I was saluted here after the (not so) shocking TROS teaser trailer dropped and after certain specific theories of mine were confirmed in the film itself. Mark my words, I will be saluted again... sooner or later. While I don't require such admiration from strangers who habitually doubt and disagree with me, I appreciate the debate and will get a laugh out of it. 
     
    The fact that I'm alone here in my perspective makes me unique, Nick. That's all.
  12. Thinking
    Mattris reacted to Mr. Hooper in Star Wars Disenchantment   
  13. Sleepy
    Mattris got a reaction from greenturnedblue in Star Wars Disenchantment   
    Nah, I'm just testing my thoughts and theories with (presumably) real people. This response to my point and direct question causes me to think you do understand the logic but just don't want to give me credit... a consistency in this thread.
     
     
    Unlikely. I'm using the totality of the literal words of the Star Wars canon to interpret the story from the point of view that it is, by definition, a mythological allegorical fairytale.
     
    Your conclusions are based primarily on the assumption that your surface-level interpretation of the (single trilogy) story is correct and that the seemingly endless string of reported chaos at Lucasfilm over the last decade bolsters your overall assessment.
     
    Mind you, the sources of these 'reports' are unconfirmed, as are their allegiances. In truth, these presumed 'behind-the-scenes controversies' are most likely falsities put forth to distract the masses. But that won't stop people like you from believing them, will it? Surely, so many couldn't have been played as fools. That's impossible!
     
    Like it or not, my arguments over the last (nearly) five years have withstood scrutiny. Criticisms of my approach - and those of the Star Wars story itself - based in the underestimation of those in charge have been dismissed as a illegitimate, illogical, and most importantly, unproductive.
     
    Those who continue to proclaim 'Star Wars is bad now... or, at the very least, has taken a turn for the worse' is a fruitless endeavor and antithetical to the very purpose of this story which was created to instill hope and happiness to its audience.
     
     
    I remember I was saluted here after the (not so) shocking TROS teaser trailer dropped and after certain specific theories of mine were confirmed in the film itself. Mark my words, I will be saluted again... sooner or later. While I don't require such admiration from strangers who habitually doubt and disagree with me, I appreciate the debate and will get a laugh out of it. 
     
    The fact that I'm alone here in my perspective makes me unique, Nick. That's all.
  14. Haha
    Mattris got a reaction from Trope in Star Wars Disenchantment   
    1.  Kathleen Kennedy, the executive producers, writers, and directors of the canon works (films, shows, novels, games, comics), all members of the Lucasfilm Story Group, Dave Filoni, Jon Faverau
     
    2.  My interpretation is that the story and grander intent of Star Wars has remained consistent, even with the newest installments. There was always a grand plan, and Kathleen Kennedy is seeing it through. Any who believe otherwise have an objectively incorrect interpretation of the story... and might be putting too much stock in the Lucasfilm-designed artifice meant to keep the masses distracted from their real  plans.
     
    3.  Considerable thoughtfulness was required to escape the doldrums of disenchantment and ignorance. I managed to expand my interpretation beyond a relative surface-level. I believe in this 'space soap opera children's story' because I think it was intended to teach its audience valuable life lessons and universal truths... not only to 12-year-olds.
     
    Why do you think Star Wars doesn't have a message based in grander areas of thought or belief? George Lucas has been abundantly clear that he designed his story from these-type works of the past. Perhaps you can let me know what so many have trouble with:
     
    What do you think is the story of Star Wars?
  15. Haha
    Mattris got a reaction from Erik Woods in Star Wars Disenchantment   
    1.  Kathleen Kennedy, the executive producers, writers, and directors of the canon works (films, shows, novels, games, comics), all members of the Lucasfilm Story Group, Dave Filoni, Jon Faverau
     
    2.  My interpretation is that the story and grander intent of Star Wars has remained consistent, even with the newest installments. There was always a grand plan, and Kathleen Kennedy is seeing it through. Any who believe otherwise have an objectively incorrect interpretation of the story... and might be putting too much stock in the Lucasfilm-designed artifice meant to keep the masses distracted from their real  plans.
     
    3.  Considerable thoughtfulness was required to escape the doldrums of disenchantment and ignorance. I managed to expand my interpretation beyond a relative surface-level. I believe in this 'space soap opera children's story' because I think it was intended to teach its audience valuable life lessons and universal truths... not only to 12-year-olds.
     
    Why do you think Star Wars doesn't have a message based in grander areas of thought or belief? George Lucas has been abundantly clear that he designed his story from these-type works of the past. Perhaps you can let me know what so many have trouble with:
     
    What do you think is the story of Star Wars?
  16. Thinking
    Mattris reacted to Nick1Ø66 in Star Wars Disenchantment   
    Mattris spotted at Skywalker Ranch late last night.
     


     
     
     
  17. Thanks
    Mattris reacted to Edmilson in Star Wars Disenchantment   
    It's one of the staples of JWFan! One of our biggest and most reliable institutions! We can't let this thread die!
  18. Sleepy
    Mattris got a reaction from A. A. Ron in Star Wars Disenchantment   
    Nah, I prefer to test and show the limits of your Star Wars comprehension.
     
     
    I must say, I missed your making light of my 'wacky' theories and predictions. But in doing so here, you concisely demonstrated one of the biggest misconceptions of the Star Wars audience: the assumption that the OT was "the main course" with all other Saga Episodes as unnecessary 'dishes' than can be largely - if not, entirely - dismissed.
     
    When you are eventually shown the sheer scope of your folly and failure, I think you'll need more than a drink. You may just feel the need to go home and rethink your life.
     
    Fortunately, Rian Johnson said he'll be at the bar if you need him.
     
     
    Nah, it'll be the pay-off  of all the set-ups.
  19. Haha
    Mattris got a reaction from A. A. Ron in Star Wars Disenchantment   
    I'm not denying anyone's opinion. I'm stating that an objectively correct interpretation of the story exists, designed by George Lucas and continued by Lucasfilm.
  20. Sleepy
    Mattris got a reaction from greenturnedblue in Star Wars Disenchantment   
    Nah, I prefer to test and show the limits of your Star Wars comprehension.
     
     
    I must say, I missed your making light of my 'wacky' theories and predictions. But in doing so here, you concisely demonstrated one of the biggest misconceptions of the Star Wars audience: the assumption that the OT was "the main course" with all other Saga Episodes as unnecessary 'dishes' than can be largely - if not, entirely - dismissed.
     
    When you are eventually shown the sheer scope of your folly and failure, I think you'll need more than a drink. You may just feel the need to go home and rethink your life.
     
    Fortunately, Rian Johnson said he'll be at the bar if you need him.
     
     
    Nah, it'll be the pay-off  of all the set-ups.
  21. Haha
    Mattris got a reaction from JTN in Star Wars Disenchantment   
    I'm not denying anyone's opinion. I'm stating that an objectively correct interpretation of the story exists, designed by George Lucas and continued by Lucasfilm.
  22. Thinking
    Mattris reacted to Nick1Ø66 in Star Wars Disenchantment   
    First I'd need to think about my life before I could re-think it.
  23. Haha
    Mattris reacted to Mr. Hooper in Star Wars Disenchantment   
  24. Thanks
    Mattris reacted to Groovygoth666 in Rey Skywalker Star Wars movie (Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy directing, Stephen Knight writing)   
    Hold the phone, how can this be Episode X when it's already completely filmed and ready to drop at the right moment? 
  25. Haha
    Mattris reacted to Cerebral Cortex in Rey Skywalker Star Wars movie (Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy directing, Stephen Knight writing)   
    Williams showing up at the next Disney stockholders meeting:

    "Yeah, I'm gonna need all of you sick sons of bitches to stop making Star Wars films with Daisy Ridley in them..."

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Guidelines.