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    Doug Adams got a reaction from crumbs in The Music Of The Lord Of The Rings Films - Doug Adams' Book & Rarities Archive   
    Absolutely. I've done liners for albums where I've had to pin down developmental arcs well before the score has even finished being composed. It's often a case of asking the composer, "Well, what do you think might happen?" You have to choose your words incredibly carefully, because you could easily tie yourself to something that makes no sense later. The first Hobbit was particularly tricky. Neither the film nor the score was done when I did the notes. And it was only part one of three, so the initial themes could have gone in almost any direction in future installments. Since I wanted to be able to revisit everything more comprehensively down the line, I tried to avoid naming anything or giving anything more than general structural parameters. But even that was difficult since I had maybe four different sketched out or mocked up versions of the end of the score, and no one knew yet what the final draft would sound like. I wouldn't trade the experience for the world -- and I worked with amazing, supportive people -- but it was a difficult gig!
     
    By the way, I'm told that much of the issue with the lead time these days is that CD manufacturing plants are closing down left and right. If you want to press something in semi-large numbers, you basically need to reserve a time months and months in advance ... and that time may or may not be near the actual release window. It's usually not. And woe be he who gets behind schedule and can't deliver materials to the manufacturers on time. You either pay through the nose to adjust the date (which in the case of the niche film score market likely means bye-bye profits) or you get the next available spot, which could -- and likely would -- delay the project by months. 
     
    As they say: Creativity is easy. Logistics are hard!
     
     
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    Doug Adams got a reaction from crumbs in The Music Of The Hobbit Films - Doug Adams' Book confirmed by Howard Shore   
    Those of us who were close to the process don't avoid taking about it because of some deep, dark secret. We're just being polite and deferring to Howard. If he wants to go deeper into his decision-making process, that's his business not ours. 
     
    In truth, there was no single event that prompted the decision anyway. The nutshell version is that the timing just didn't work out. Shore needed to be focused on composing, and there simply wasn't time to do this while tending to the lengthy recording and rewriting process. In this sense, the DOS doc really says it all. You've all heard how crazy these postproduction schedules were. They really, really were! The official channels aren't playing it up for drama. Even the liner notes were hard to pull off. (And I know, a multi-million dollar film production shouldn't be worried about the dork doing the liner notes anyway ... I'm just saying!) There was one time in mid-October of 2014 when I was having a late dinner with Howard. We kind of hung out until the wee hours chatting, then -- sometime well after midnight -- he politely got up and said, "Well, I need to go compose more Dol Guldur." I responded, "Yeah, I need to write something about it." We both laughed because he was composing music for unfinished scenes and I was trying to analyze unfinished music. We always fixed things up in revisions, but that was how things worked. A lot of the first draft material was pretty speculative. 
     
     
    But again, I'm probably telling you things you already know.
     
    Oh and yeah ... there was some discussion of Howard working on the song for the third Hobbit film. He actually was involved in a sort of supervisory capacity, and even had a song credit in the album notes for a little while. But he ultimately decided that his work wasn't worthy of a credit, and asked that they not award him one. (This is not implying that he ghostwrote the song or anything. The people credited on the album *are* the people who created this song. He just sort of checked in and leant an ear from time to time.) Again, I think the schedule just didn't allow anything more significant. Too much overlap in schedules. 
     
    And as for Chicago weather .... the less said the better this time of year. I've been looking for my patio furniture most of the afternoon thank to gale force winds. Blech!
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    Doug Adams got a reaction from A Ghost From Highwood in John Williams' Concerto for Percussion and Orchestra (2019) RUMOR   
    The potential concerto was first (I think!) mentioned in a book that came out in June of 2017: Be Your Own Manager: A Career Handbook for Classical Musicians.
     
    "Today, Martin Grubinger is probably considered one of the biggest stars in classical music, and not just in percussion. Many great composers have written concertos for him, including Friedrich Cerha, Peter Eötvös, and Tan Dan. Rumors have it that John Williams wants to write a concerto for him."
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    Doug Adams got a reaction from Once in John Williams' Concerto for Percussion and Orchestra (2019) RUMOR   
    The potential concerto was first (I think!) mentioned in a book that came out in June of 2017: Be Your Own Manager: A Career Handbook for Classical Musicians.
     
    "Today, Martin Grubinger is probably considered one of the biggest stars in classical music, and not just in percussion. Many great composers have written concertos for him, including Friedrich Cerha, Peter Eötvös, and Tan Dan. Rumors have it that John Williams wants to write a concerto for him."
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    Doug Adams got a reaction from Incanus in John Williams' Concerto for Percussion and Orchestra (2019) RUMOR   
    The potential concerto was first (I think!) mentioned in a book that came out in June of 2017: Be Your Own Manager: A Career Handbook for Classical Musicians.
     
    "Today, Martin Grubinger is probably considered one of the biggest stars in classical music, and not just in percussion. Many great composers have written concertos for him, including Friedrich Cerha, Peter Eötvös, and Tan Dan. Rumors have it that John Williams wants to write a concerto for him."
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    Doug Adams got a reaction from crumbs in John Williams' Concerto for Percussion and Orchestra (2019) RUMOR   
    The potential concerto was first (I think!) mentioned in a book that came out in June of 2017: Be Your Own Manager: A Career Handbook for Classical Musicians.
     
    "Today, Martin Grubinger is probably considered one of the biggest stars in classical music, and not just in percussion. Many great composers have written concertos for him, including Friedrich Cerha, Peter Eötvös, and Tan Dan. Rumors have it that John Williams wants to write a concerto for him."
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    Doug Adams got a reaction from The Illustrious Jerry in John Williams' Concerto for Percussion and Orchestra (2019) RUMOR   
    The potential concerto was first (I think!) mentioned in a book that came out in June of 2017: Be Your Own Manager: A Career Handbook for Classical Musicians.
     
    "Today, Martin Grubinger is probably considered one of the biggest stars in classical music, and not just in percussion. Many great composers have written concertos for him, including Friedrich Cerha, Peter Eötvös, and Tan Dan. Rumors have it that John Williams wants to write a concerto for him."
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    Doug Adams got a reaction from Will in John Williams' Concerto for Percussion and Orchestra (2019) RUMOR   
    The potential concerto was first (I think!) mentioned in a book that came out in June of 2017: Be Your Own Manager: A Career Handbook for Classical Musicians.
     
    "Today, Martin Grubinger is probably considered one of the biggest stars in classical music, and not just in percussion. Many great composers have written concertos for him, including Friedrich Cerha, Peter Eötvös, and Tan Dan. Rumors have it that John Williams wants to write a concerto for him."
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    Doug Adams got a reaction from Miguel Andrade in John Williams' Concerto for Percussion and Orchestra (2019) RUMOR   
    The potential concerto was first (I think!) mentioned in a book that came out in June of 2017: Be Your Own Manager: A Career Handbook for Classical Musicians.
     
    "Today, Martin Grubinger is probably considered one of the biggest stars in classical music, and not just in percussion. Many great composers have written concertos for him, including Friedrich Cerha, Peter Eötvös, and Tan Dan. Rumors have it that John Williams wants to write a concerto for him."
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    Doug Adams got a reaction from Marian Schedenig in John Williams' Concerto for Percussion and Orchestra (2019) RUMOR   
    The potential concerto was first (I think!) mentioned in a book that came out in June of 2017: Be Your Own Manager: A Career Handbook for Classical Musicians.
     
    "Today, Martin Grubinger is probably considered one of the biggest stars in classical music, and not just in percussion. Many great composers have written concertos for him, including Friedrich Cerha, Peter Eötvös, and Tan Dan. Rumors have it that John Williams wants to write a concerto for him."
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    Doug Adams got a reaction from TownerFan in John Williams' Concerto for Percussion and Orchestra (2019) RUMOR   
    The potential concerto was first (I think!) mentioned in a book that came out in June of 2017: Be Your Own Manager: A Career Handbook for Classical Musicians.
     
    "Today, Martin Grubinger is probably considered one of the biggest stars in classical music, and not just in percussion. Many great composers have written concertos for him, including Friedrich Cerha, Peter Eötvös, and Tan Dan. Rumors have it that John Williams wants to write a concerto for him."
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    Doug Adams got a reaction from Falstaft in John Williams' Concerto for Percussion and Orchestra (2019) RUMOR   
    The potential concerto was first (I think!) mentioned in a book that came out in June of 2017: Be Your Own Manager: A Career Handbook for Classical Musicians.
     
    "Today, Martin Grubinger is probably considered one of the biggest stars in classical music, and not just in percussion. Many great composers have written concertos for him, including Friedrich Cerha, Peter Eötvös, and Tan Dan. Rumors have it that John Williams wants to write a concerto for him."
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    Doug Adams got a reaction from John in John Williams' Concerto for Percussion and Orchestra (2019) RUMOR   
    The potential concerto was first (I think!) mentioned in a book that came out in June of 2017: Be Your Own Manager: A Career Handbook for Classical Musicians.
     
    "Today, Martin Grubinger is probably considered one of the biggest stars in classical music, and not just in percussion. Many great composers have written concertos for him, including Friedrich Cerha, Peter Eötvös, and Tan Dan. Rumors have it that John Williams wants to write a concerto for him."
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    Doug Adams got a reaction from gkgyver in Howard Shore's An Unexpected Journey (Hobbit Part 1)   
    Jim’s a dear friend and trusted collaborator. I tell him .... things. 
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    Doug Adams got a reaction from Gollum Cat in Howard Shore's An Unexpected Journey (Hobbit Part 1)   
    Jim’s a dear friend and trusted collaborator. I tell him .... things. 
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    Doug Adams got a reaction from Holko in Howard Shore's Lord of the Rings scores General Discussion   
    Apologies, I misunderstood. No inserts were recorded in London for Moria. 
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    Doug Adams got a reaction from Holko in Howard Shore's Lord of the Rings scores General Discussion   
    The LPO recorded inserts.
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    Doug Adams got a reaction from mstrox in Will The Hobbit age as well as The Lord of the Rings?   
    They’re not errors. The orchestra membership changed when required. (LPO and NZSO alike.) The conductor’s scores from the sessions reflected this, but the instrumentation was standardized for live presentations. (This is the case with pretty much all live-to-projection performances.) 
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    Doug Adams got a reaction from Bilbo in Will The Hobbit age as well as The Lord of the Rings?   
    They’re not errors. The orchestra membership changed when required. (LPO and NZSO alike.) The conductor’s scores from the sessions reflected this, but the instrumentation was standardized for live presentations. (This is the case with pretty much all live-to-projection performances.) 
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    Doug Adams got a reaction from Chen G. in Will The Hobbit age as well as The Lord of the Rings?   
    They’re not errors. The orchestra membership changed when required. (LPO and NZSO alike.) The conductor’s scores from the sessions reflected this, but the instrumentation was standardized for live presentations. (This is the case with pretty much all live-to-projection performances.) 
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    Doug Adams got a reaction from crumbs in Film scores that impressed John Williams   
    Re: Goldenthal ... Williams did attend a performance of Grendel in Los Angeles. Not film music, I know, but we can at least confirm he’s heard “The Beast Within.”
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    Doug Adams got a reaction from aviazn in THE ADVENTURES OF HAN - 2018 John Williams theme for Solo: A Star Wars Story   
    A wonderfully cogent point (no surprise) by Frank here … context is everything when defining what, precisely, constitutes a theme. Even extra-musical context can play a role.
     
    Incidentally, the word “theme” is thrown around a lot in The Music of the Lord of the Rings because, honestly, it’s the most efficient way of relating to readers. Constantly juggling “theme,” “motif,” “motive,” etc. was exhausting in early drafts … especially as each instance then required some sort of disclaimer relating to the innate subjectivity of it all. And that was before getting into musical context, composer intent, and so on. It was word soup!
     
    At some point, it’s cleaner to think of it all as “the material.” It reads horribly, but it’s much truer to most composers’ mindsets.
     
     
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