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    Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread

    Is this verified? Because considering they have such a large presence in the film and Gomorrah is so central to the story, if he had that big of a contribution he would get screenplay credit. He might have been consulted but I wonder if he actually wrote the scenes.
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    Lincoln SCORE Discussion thread

    One thing led to another and I have been obsessing over politics a lot off late and over the process of democracy so I found myself drawn to this film and the album. And I re-visited the film and heard the album multiple times before and after. And I have the feeling that this is the rare movie where the album does not represent the movie at all. The music is absolutely outstanding - I have now come to see it as a 5 star effort. BUT, it is great music, not a great score. The score is very sparse and rarely pops in the movie save for a few moments. The album as constructed showcases several melodies and themes many of them deeply developed and rendered over multiple minutes as solos or with full orchestral backing. There is no such music to be found in the film. The album is thus a concept album or an album inspired by the film. It is not the actual score. Which creates an interesting situation. How then are we to judge this as a score? As a score in the movie, I might give it say 3 stars. But the music itself is outstanding. But little of it is used in the film. So what to make of it? What am I listening to when I listen to the album? It is like an album length dissertation by Williams on Americana and an ode to American values and traditions. Is there any other Williams work with such a massive disconnect between the album and the score? And I guess Williams must have known that the film would have little music. Most of the music sounds very concert-suite-y on the album.
  3. One thing led to another and I have been obsessing over politics a lot off late and over the process of democracy so I found myself drawn to this film and the album. And I re-visited the film and heard the album multiple times before and after. And I have the feeling that this is the rare movie where the album does not represent the movie at all. The music is absolutely outstanding - I have now come to see it as a 5 star effort. BUT, it is great music, not a great score. The score is very sparse and rarely pops in the movie save for a few moments. The album as constructed showcases several melodies and themes many of them deeply developed and rendered over multiple minutes as solos or with full orchestral backing. There is no such music to be found in the film. The album is thus a concept album or an album inspired by the film. It is not the actual score. Which creates an interesting situation. How then are we to judge this as a score? As a score in the movie, I might give it say 3 stars. But the music itself is outstanding. But little of it is used in the film. So what to make of it? What am I listening to when I listen to the album? It is like an album length dissertation by Williams on Americana and an ode to American values and traditions. Is there any other Williams work with such a massive disconnect between the album and the score? And I guess Williams must have known that the film would have little music. Most of the music sounds very concert-suite-y on the album.
  4. Nolan just so we can dispel the delusion of his considerable fan base that his other films have good music.
  5. Don't be so dramatic. Nothing is above humor.
  6. I don't want to overstate but the tragic theme might be Horner's best theme. It's emotional impact is unparalleled. It's usage in the movie is sublime.
  7. Thanks I know the 3 themes, I was more pointing out that CC doesn't know them. I like to think of the sad tragic theme as the main theme as it perfectly encapsulates the film and it gets prime placement over the main titles and many other key spots in the film. And the other theme to be the theme for the ship. And of course the third theme is for the romance/Rose.
  8. Why does CC keep insisting the Titanic has 2 themes instead of 3? He has now reviewed this set but still thinks the love theme and the main theme are one and the same. The main theme is the one that is used over the main titles. The love theme or Rose's theme is the one used for the song. Why does he conflate the 2.
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    The Rebellion is Reborn vs. The Adventures of Han

    I think Rebellion is more formally pleasing. The island theme is stately and rose's theme while being a bit too sweet is a good theme and romantic and lush. The storytelling in RiR is a bit nebulous as the themes have nothing to do with each other. So the flow and their interaction doesn't really tell a story. Han has more of a story to tell because the two themes are ralated and while it is not stately, it is very exciting! But one of the themes is rather weak. I'm a bit conflicted! I voted RiR but I might have more listens on Han eventually. Han is thrilling for sure and the Searching theme certainly comes out and grabs you.
  10. It wasn't meant to be a rebuttal but a characterization of what you said. You essentially did not comment on the substance of what I said but ON me. I find that beyond petty. I would never personally do that because you make enormous assumptions about anybody when you comment ON them. You know nothing about me or any of my abilities. Why have a devastating nervous breakdown over someone's critique. Or worse, over how someone worded their critique. Do you go around being an abilities-Nazi on forums boards attacking anyone critiquing anything and saying they are not up to it and shouldn't dare. Do you go plague a gia thread by responding to every single post saying how dare they criticize him when they haven't offered up a score for your express judgement. Do you know about how people consume art? Normal everyday people with lives and beliefs and interests? The humble farmer who isn't published but enjoys reading and shyly writes some poetry that he shares with friends. Or a pizza truck driver who at night likes to play his guitar and sing a little. Or a young developer who takes pleasure in painting for recreation. You would stare down all these people with contempt right? Look down on them. If the developer dare say he doesn't like a modern art painting and says he would perhaps do some things differently, you would rush to shame him and spit on his paintings right? The notion that you know people on the internet or their approach to art is as bone-headed as Williams's Hero theme for Han.
  11. There is no objective measure there. I could write ode to Joy and you would say it is worthless. Why would I offer up my work for you to judge of all people when you are predisposed to be prejudiced. I presume you are one of those people who leave a comment bebeath film reviews saying, "yeah punk I am waiting to see what kind of movie you can make. YouTube is free. I will be waiting for you to shoot your million dollar motion picture and upload it to YouTube for me to judge and tear apart." I can't imagine a lot of people would comply with your demands.
  12. This is disingenuous. Only film-makers should write discuss movies. Only writers should discuss books. Only pop artists should critique albums. Only composers should have an opinion on music. Only athletes should analyze sports performance. Only architects should write about buildings. I guess most people shouldn't have an opinion at all. For say a humble farmer, he better stick to talk about crops or else he can shut up and fuck off.
  13. I do think it is beneath Williams whose reputation is staked on writing complex music with sophisticated and artful construction. The thing is it very easy to come up with something like that just by doodling on the piano for sometime. Trust me you and I could too. It feels ordinary. When you hear a classic Williams melody you are surprised and struck by its freshness by its contours. Credit to JW it is still well orchestrated. But Williams is definitely above such themes.
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    Solo: A Star Wars Story (Ron Howard 2018)

    I think Kathy is delivering more ambitious films - bigger in scope size and complexity. Atleast the first 3 star Wars films she delivered. Though I think solo is a dud. Feige's films apart from avengers are not on the same scale.
  15. So having hard this a few times... The Hero theme surprisingly is a bit bone-headed. It is your typical manly man modern hero macho theme in the form of a power anthem that you expect modern composers to write. I did not have a good initial reaction to it but I have made Peace with it. Has Williams ever written a theme like this? I kinda had the same reaction to it that I had when I heard Gia's hero theme for spiderman. Just a very basic construction. The Searching theme however is a belter. The theme was stuck in my head. I was whistling it constantly while driving home. It is also a more sophisticated construction and more star warsy. The hero theme is like a superhero theme. The concert suite itself is very exciting and unusual. Honestly with a few microedits, this might as well be a score cue which is scoring a desperate high stakes chase sequence. Think quidditch or any number of high octane chase scenes that Williams has scored. The strident rhtym and the insistent motif (sounds like the quidditch motif) give the piece an extraordinary forward drive. It is a fantastic piece and the searching theme takes flight. I love it. Hearing this, and seeing the film has soooooooo many chase scenes. I wonder what kind of magic Williams would have unleashed.
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