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With Zimmer less can be more, but there’s always some missing highlight too.
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I feel like the only composer who could do justice to something as huge and complicated as the entire second world war is Howard Shore.
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48 minutes ago, enderdrag64 said:
On the Concord?
There may have been speed issues on some of the bootlegs, but as far as I know not on any official release of TLC. -
TLC doesn’t have any speed issues.
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Could it be Aliens?
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44 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said:
My answer to this question might upset some people: Alan Silvestri's Back to the Future. Most of it is the definition of generic, to me. I don't like the main theme which repeats ad nauseam. I don't find it remotely interesting or engaging. It doesn't receive interesting development, for the most part. The score works well enough in the film (it certainly doesn't detract) but I think it could have been a lot better.
Back to the Future is the first score I thought of as well.
2 hours ago, Loert said:I adore A.I., but I made myself a 51-minute mix and listen to that. Don't think I can sit through the entire score and get the same enjoyment.
In terms of (supposedly) great scores, I struggle with LotR, Conan the Barbarian, and La La Land. I will say no more.
La La Land is supposed to be a “great score?” I thought it was just a great record label.At any rate, I don’t know how anyone can like film scores but not like Conan or LOTR.
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4 hours ago, Richard Penna said:
Note I said film takes, not edits. The butchering in the film varies from creative to downright unlistenable as music, but you want to at least have the compositions and takes that the editors started with before all hell broke loose.
Oh I can completely get on board with all of that. My comment was directed more toward bollemanneke. -
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18 hours ago, Trope said:
Could you theoretically achieve a similar thing to isolate the percussion in Pick 'Em Up if you reverse phased it with The Never-Band?
I actually tried to do exactly that with no success. Admittedly, I’m pretty new to the reverse-phasing thing though, so it could be I just never got it lined up exactly right or something. It could also be a different take of Never Band, in which case it wouldn’t be possible. -
3 hours ago, Richard Penna said:
The opening battle track is a better listening experience for me than the full intended sequence.
I actually agree with this. I play that album track often.
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4 hours ago, Trope said:It's nice for them to take a break from the extremely popular releases and do something a little more niche (at least I personally have never before heard of these films or composers).
And it's nice for me that my wallet can recover before the next John Williams round - Please be Catch Me If You Can or The Terminal!
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3 hours ago, GerateWohl said:I would even be happy just with proper expansions of the sequel scores. Even if they just contained a merge of the OSTs and the FYC albums.
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It does kinda work!
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Interesting!
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Hey fellow Jay Dubs fans,
The new 2023 edition of Hook is an absolute masterpiece in full form and IMO every bit the revelation that the Harry Potter Collection was. These scores offer such an astounding amount of great music -- a cornucopia if you will -- that I feel they invite and in some ways even demand that you continually find new ways to experience them. I feel that Disc 3 of the Hook set serves as proof of this concept, just as Mike's creative assembly for Close Encounters did as well.
Anyway, I had a lot of fun reading about the creative edits some of you made with the Potter box and I figured that Hook was just as deserving of that kind of love and attention. So if you're like me and you like to make shorter custom albums to serve as companions to the whole enchilada, here's a whittling and editing guide like the one we had for the Potter box.
The goals for this thread are the same. It's intended as a place to share ideas on how to:
- Connect cues (not necessarily chronological!)
- Make creative microedits
- Intelligently create suites with listening experience as a higher priority than strict chronology
As an example, my current custom companion album for Hook is short and covers all of my favorite highlights, but is not at all intended to replace the main program of the Ultimate Edition. It breaks down like this:
01. From Page to Stage... (1:22)
UE D1T2 We Don't Wanna Grow Up (START-1:22)
02. ...And Stage to Screen (1:26)UE D2T11 Prologue (Alternate)
03. Nutty Wendy and Hook Returns to Kensington (8:03)UE D1T5 The Bedroom (ALL)
UE D3T5 The Stories Are True (Alternate) (START-1:04)
UE D1T16 Draw Your Sword (1:24-END)
UE D1T15 Hook's Entrance (1:15-END)
UE D1T8 Hook Returns to Kensington (ALL)
UE D1T9 Hook-napped (ALL)
I wanted to start my album with a suite that emphasizes both the whimsical and some of the darker moments of the score. I really love the transitions in this suite, especially from The Bedroom into The Stories Are True and from Hook's Entrance into Hook Returns to Kensington. I also made the stinger at the end of Hook-napped come in a bit earlier to keep the momentum going.
04. Tinker Bell and The Flight to Neverland (3:29)UE D1T12 The Arrival of Tink (1:40-END)
UE D1T13 The Flight to Neverland (0:59-END)
I'm really proud of this suite. It jumps straight to Tinker Bell's theme and never loses too much momentum.
UE D1T14 Pirate Town and Presenting the Hook (START-1:22)
UE D1T15 Pirate Town and Presenting the Hook (2:44-3:31)
UE D3T24 Presenting the Hook (Vocal Version Segment) (ALL)
I used the sessions leak for the clean ending of Arrival at Neverland and the clean opening of I'll Take Those Shoes and then switched to the vocal version of Presenting the Hook shortly before the vocals come in.
06. The Lost Boys Ballet (2:23)
UE D1T20 The Lost Boys Chase (START-1:20)
Nothing special here. I used the End Credits track for a cleaner, concert suite sort of ending.
07. Hook's Ennui and Smee's Epiphany (6:04)UE D1T22 Hook's Epiphany (ALL)
UE D1T25 Hook's Lesson (START-2:00)
UE D1T25 Hook's Lesson (2:49-END)
UE D1T23 Smee's Plan (ALL)
I feel this suite could maybe use some more trimming, but at least I'm happy with all the transitions between cues.
UE D1T29 Goodnight Neverland (ALL)
UE D2T14 The Face of Pan (Choral Version) (ALL)
09. Never-Feast and Food Fight (6:06)
UE D1T26 The Banquet (ALL)
UE D1T27 The Never-Feast (Film Version)
UE D3T13 The Never-Feast
For this track, I did my best to imitate the way the concert suite transitions from The Banquet into The Never-Feast. Then somewhere after the big film version insert, I switched to the album version of The Never-Feast for the longer ending. I decided to omit Cutting the Coconut since it's very similar to the cue Follow That Shadow, which opens the next track.
10. Childhood Memories Montage and Pan Is Back (12:08)UE D2T2 Home Run and Follow That Shadow (2:46-END)
UE D2T3 Peter Remembers (The Flying Sequence) (ALL)
UE D2T4 You Are the Pan (Film Version) (ALL)
I got the clean opening for Follow That Shadow from the partial sessions leak. For years now, all of my Hook edits have had The Flying Sequence crossfaded with You Are the Pan and at this point, it doesn't sound right to me to have the cues separate.
11. The Ultimate War (7:48)UE D2T15 The Ultimate War (ALL)
Just to make this album a little more different from the UE main program, I used the album version of The Ultimate War without the film version inserts and crossfaded it with the next track.
12. Death of Rufio (4:13)UE D2T7 Death of Rufio (ALL)
Crossfaded with previous and next tracks.
13. The Sword Fight and The End of Hook (7:09)UE D2T8 The Sword Fight and the End of Hook (ALL)
Crossfaded with previous track.
14. Farewell Neverland (10:29)UE D2T9 Farewell Neverland (START-5:58)
UE D3T20 Farewell Neverland (Short Version / Alternate) (2:24-END)
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@Chewy was able to use reverse phasing to isolate the choral overlay from "The Capture (Alternate)" on the expanded Amistad album, I was able to isolate the 2 bars of choir that were omitted from the album version of "From Mermaids to Lost Boys." Not a substantial piece of music obviously, but still kind of fun to hear as a curiosity.
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Well fingers crossed for you. My jewel case is cracked across the front. Can’t be too upset I guess, since that never happens to me.
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They should get this guy to score Jurassic Park 7!
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Who's Antonio Digiorno?
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This expansion is the hope killer. This expansion is the little death that brings total disappointment. I will forget this expansion in a few days, but will be reminded of it as soon as this thread is bumped again. When our hope for new expansions is gone, there will be nothing.
Only Muad’Disney will remain.
From The Litany Against ”Indiana Jones: The Complete CD Collection”
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Sail Barge Assault and Faking the Code are two of my favorite cues of all time.