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    Masked Dissonance in The Music of John Williams

    It's funny because it's true. 😂 That's one of his "tried and true" techniques. Bonus points if the bassline and/or the roots of the chords follow a diminished scale.
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    Masked Dissonance in The Music of John Williams

    You've neatly summarized one of my favorite things about the music of John Williams. You get these passages where there's a fairly clear, fairly simple harmonic structure - sometimes even verging on "pop" in its flavor, as you said - but it's spiced up by some funky dissonances. And it's a well-known fact that dissonances tend to be less obvious when split between different octaves and/or different timbres. Williams especially likes to do this with the bassline...throw some pretty straightforward chord progressions into the middle registers, but write a conflicting bassline beneath, sometimes even a minor second or a tritone away from the root. It's a great way of building tension - and then of course releasing it when you come to a more straightforward tonality. I love it when he does this as part of a big crescendo or build-up - consider the final seconds of the first Battle of Yavin cue, right before the contrapuntal Force theme passage in the brass. Another good example is the moment before the beginning of the bike chase in E.T.
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    GALAXY's EDGE - New John Williams composition (2018)

    From the bits of sheet music visible in the videos, it looked like the alternate opening still included some duplicated material from the original version, so the transition from the new fanfare to the original high strings probably wouldn't have been the edit point. There might not be any revisions needed after all.
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    GALAXY's EDGE - New John Williams composition (2018)

    From what I've heard, there's a bunch of new cantina music, including some in the style of Williams' ANH source cues, but I don't think Williams was involved with those. I believe they said there were multiple composers involved with different pieces.
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    GALAXY's EDGE - New John Williams composition (2018)

    Oh yeah, that is the most sensible interpretation of the wording in the article, now that I have a moment to take a closer look. This whole thing randomly came up in a real-world conversation today. My friends were stoked to listen to the suite, and they're not necessarily enormous film score fans. By the way, a little birdie (falcon?) told me that the theme can be heard in its full orchestral glory aboard the Smuggler's Run ride, including some material not included in the suite.
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    GALAXY's EDGE - New John Williams composition (2018)

    So great to get some more details on how this came together. The suite has probably become my favorite new Williams composition since Rey's theme, and I can't wait to hear it interpolated throughout the land, and in exactly the way I hoped. They saw how counterproductive it would have been to just blast recognizable orchestral Williams music throughout the land, and I'm thrilled about it. I wonder if the "about an hour" includes the bits of area background music I mentioned being able to hear through the construction walls recently. I kinda feel like that was separate, since it really didn't sound orchestral, but it was hard to tell through the wall.
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    Carbon Freezing Chamber

    Artguy 360 is correct!
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    GALAXY's EDGE - New John Williams composition (2018)

    True, although I felt pretty confident that it was not a Williams arrangement.
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    GALAXY's EDGE - New John Williams composition (2018)

    So you can hear some of the land's exterior background music through the construction walls now. I stuck around for perhaps 2 or 3 minutes. Seemed to be slow variations on the different melodies heard in the suite. General tone of wonderment. Sounded like it was probably not a Williams arrangement, though, and I'm not sure if there were any acoustic instruments; it was muffled by the wall.
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    Harry Potter 7CD Collection - MUSIC discussion

    Well, the other thing to consider is that the sheet music doesn't call for the repeat. It just plays through once, and it's the version with the extra ornamentation. (Personally, I prefer the simpler version, though.)
  11. Everyone should be absolutely obsessed with Raiders of the Lost Ark all the time!
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    Harry Potter 7CD Collection - MUSIC discussion

    The string overlay has never been heard. It's just a bunch of high, dissonant chords. I think it must have been for the original ending, which is the quiet version with the pizzicato strings. The loud ending with the low brass and percussion was recorded separately.
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    Harry Potter 7CD Collection - MUSIC discussion

    I think it was recorded, because the end credits suite on the OST is slightly different in the way it edits down that passage. But it's hard to say for sure.
  14. "Useless"? That's not very fair at all. Williams' sketches usually contain all the information needed to determine how the music will sound, but the orchestrators (or the music preparation team nowadays) still play an important role in getting the music ready for actually being recorded in a timely fashion. It's like...the people who make pencils and blank manuscript paper and pianos don't really have any influence on how his music sounds, but they're certainty not useless.
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    Harry Potter 7CD Collection - MUSIC discussion

    Yep! Also, the drums are a revised opening to the cue; the edit in the film seems to capture Williams' original intention for the segue, completely skipping the quietly pulsing woodwinds. The full original opening to the cue has never been heard; it's a longer version of those pulsing woodwinds. If the original opening had been used, it also would have segued directly from the last note of Befriending the Hippogriff.
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    GALAXY's EDGE - New John Williams composition (2018)

    They've officially said as much - he wrote music for the attractions specifically. As for the no-more-Star-Wars-after-TROS thing, I guess I missed the thing with MM. I had thought the quotes about him being done after IX were pretty clear, but I'm delighted if this isn't the case!
  17. Quantitative ratings are tough for me when it comes to music, but my gut says 4 or 4.5 in the scope of Williams' works. Not exactly top-rung, but certainly very enjoyable. The longer alternate opening heard in this official release is just incredible - that fanfare is definitely my favorite passage. It may be one of my favorite things he's written this decade.
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    GALAXY's EDGE - New John Williams composition (2018)

    The sheet music in the original official video. You can see enough of the cues titled "Galaxy's Edge" and "Galaxy's Edge Alt. Beginning" at 0:29: Even though it's just a low-res glimpse of one of the horn parts, it's enough information to piece together how each cue started.
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    GALAXY's EDGE - New John Williams composition (2018)

    Nope, still an alternate intro that was edited in. Even that opening swell is part of it - the one heard in the very first video Disney put out sounds similar, but it's the slightly different original version. EDIT: Oh yeah, and...WOO HOO OFFICIAL RELEASE! Even I am surprised it came this early, but delightedly so. It's a beautiful piece. The original edited-down video omitted most of the development of the themes, instead presenting each musical idea only once, which is probably why it did sound a little "random." But hearing each idea developed a bit more really makes the whole thing so much more memorable and interesting - not to mention the fact that the variations themselves are great to listen to.
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    Clone Army Theme from Star Wars: Episode II?

    That's an interesting case, isn't it? I tend to think of those as themes, I suppose. They certainly have very clear leitmotivic function. Like Holko said, the vibe is that we're seeing the end of a story throughout which those themes have been consistently used. (Plus they're both used in multiple cues, technically speaking. ) Chen G, I'm not a big fan of the sort of terminology you're proposing. It implies that what you are simply calling a theme is not recurring, when in fact the only reason we're discussing it at all is the fact that it does recur - just not outside one particular cue. A leitmotif is a "recurring theme" in the same sense that a Pomeranian is a "canine dog" - technically true, but, like...is there any kind of dog that's not canine? Just my take!
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    Clone Army Theme from Star Wars: Episode II?

    That's really interesting...definitely a very different view from mine, since I would never dream of referring to your examples as themes. But thanks for sharing your contrasting viewpoint.
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    Clone Army Theme from Star Wars: Episode II?

    So for you, the word "theme" (in a film score setting) can refer to any melody that's heard more than once, even if it's only used in a single cue? That sure would make for a lot of themes, most of which would have really awkward and arbitrary names. It also doesn't distinguish between a melody that's heard two or three times in a particular scene and a melody that's heard dozens of times over the course of a film series. It seems to me that those are qualitatively different things, don't you think?
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    Harry Potter 7CD Collection - MUSIC discussion

    The POA end credits just continue to get more and more amazing with time. Having the opening insert (and not having to worry about sitting through repeats of numerous cues from the film) makes the listening experience all the better.
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    Clone Army Theme from Star Wars: Episode II?

    Yeah, I'd say it's not a theme at all, at least in the leitmotivic film-score-y sense. It's the theme (in the classical sense) that's introduced and developed in that one single cue, and then Williams never touched it again. No official name, and it definitely wasn't written to represent the Clone Army. If it represented anything, it would be the three creatures released into the arena.
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    GALAXY's EDGE - New John Williams composition (2018)

    That would be amazing, though I'd be more surprised by that than by a simple "Music of Galaxy's Edge" album. (And if somehow such an LSO album did happen, I would actually prefer that it just include a bunch of existing recordings they've done for Star Wars in the parks. I believe they did the Hyperspace Mountain arrangement and a bunch of re-recordings for the Star Tours queue in Tokyo, if I remember correctly.)
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