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    jamesluckard reacted to Josh500 in Harry Potter - The John Williams Soundtrack Collection 7CD boxset from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    That part is on the OST album, and we've been listening to it for 17 years! One of the highlights. Always loved this entire scene, movie and score!
     
    That said, it's definitely not the same melody as "Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas" from HA2, meaning it's not a quote. Maybe (sub)consciously JW was channeling the Home Alone movies, though.... That could be. It has the same festive and joyous tone and orchestration! 
     
    What about Link? You completely ignore him?
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    jamesluckard reacted to Jay in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    IIRC Spielberg was at all the recording sessions and likely suggested some of these tonal changes in how The Money Exchange was performed right away, knowing the tone he wanted the early parts of the film to have. 
     
    Usually JW tries to use the same versions and takes on album as the film does so it is a bit surprising this OST track ended up so different.
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    jamesluckard reacted to Jay in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    If you check out the session leak you can see (well, hear I guess) that they just kept re-recording The Money Exchange over and over again, with subtle changes to the orchestration in every take (and they didn't do the entire cue from start to end in every take either).  Recruiting is way more straight forward; They seemingly nailed this almost 9 minute cue in 2 takes!
     
    Anyway, the OST combined a different set of takes, edited in different places, than the final film did.
     
    The only thing that seems to have been recorded specifically for the album is Jewish Town (Krakow Ghetto - Winter '41) aka The Journey To Krakow (Introduction And Theme).  Even the Remembrances (With Itzhak Perlman) track one would assume was an album-only concert arrangement was clearly intended for the film originally as the sheet music has "20M4 End Credits" right on top.
     
     
     
    Here's some more detail I found, if you're interested:
     
     
     
    Remember the cues in question are
     
    2M3/3M1 The Money Exchange
    3M1B Recruiting
     
    And here's what's in the leak (on disc 1)

    08 2M3-3M1 Take 36 (Original) (5:53)
    09 2M3-3M1 Take 37 (New) (3:34)
    10 2M3-3M1 Take 63 (Rev) (1:55)
    11 2M3-3M1 Take 64 (Rev) (1:54)
    12 3M1 Take 38-39 (New) (4:09)
    13 3M1 Take 40 (New) (3:43)
    14 3M1B Take 41 (8:41)
    15 3M1B Take 42 (8:39)
     
    Here's some old notes from @Henry Buck on how they were edited together
     
     
     
     
     
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    jamesluckard reacted to Nick Parker in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    Having seen the film a few days ago, for the first time in ten years, I absolutely agree with you. I know when a lot of people debate whether Schindler's List has an "appropriate" score, they tend to discuss more the idiom and the emotional character of the music, but it's hard to ignore such a powerful, less tangible aspect of the score as its spotting. Those elements combined serve to perfectly mirror the gradual opening of emotional valve of both the film (the first cue being a very sparse and austere rendition of the theme and its eventual climax with "I Could Have Done More", for example), and character of Schindler himself (starting off as a guy who's pissed off at a handicapped worker expressing gratitude and shouting "What's his use!?", to a man who can only lament every conceivable missed opportunity to save what would be only a few more people). 
     
    All in all, an immensely effective, rarely achieved synergy between these various elements. 
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    jamesluckard got a reaction from Nick Parker in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    I agree, it's amazing that almost all the score is in the film's final hour. It's really quite brilliant, because it lulls you into a sense that the film is a document, instead of a fiction, and once you're safely hooked by the film, the music subtly emerges, until it absolutely dominates the final portion.
     
    This choice Williams makes is extremely similar to what he did in, of all things, Black Sunday, which is one of my favorite films and one of my favorite Williams scores.
     
    Back in about 2002 they did a retrospective of Williams films at the AFI in DC leading up to a Williams concert, and they screened both Schindler's List and Black Sunday. I believe I remember reading the films they played were selected or at least approved by him.
     
     
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    jamesluckard reacted to Jay in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    Nah, it would have a reel/part number on the sheet music if that was the case
     
     

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    jamesluckard reacted to Jay in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    I'll add a tab that covers the source music and the recording sessions leak at some point
     
    I hope for now people are just enjoying listening to the new set as-is
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    jamesluckard reacted to Jay in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    I've gone ahead and created a new spreadsheet from scratch for this score.  So far, it only includes information about the SCORE cues, nothing about any source music.
     
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tjZ3in_WVERGW9Kk6IcH3UqG002yv-oU6hJVU6Lv28o/
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    jamesluckard reacted to Jay in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    1.    Schindler's Workforce (Film Version)    12:09 = The exact same assembly of takes of 2M3/3M1 The Money Exchange & 3M1B Recruiting that the film uses (the OST album track used different takes and edit points)     2.    Reflections    2:42 = 19M2/20M1 Insert 1, the first attempt to re-do the middle portion of 19M2/20M1 I Could Have Saved More that ultimately got rejected and Insert 2 was recorded and used instead     3.    Theme For Recorder    2:15 = Something recorded at the sessions I believe as potential end credit material     4.    Remembrances (Alternate)    4:31 = An early take with different instrumentation     5.    The Perlman Family    1:15 = An early take of 10M1 The Perlman Family with a different guitar solo, the take used in the film was already on the OST as the second half of "Stolen Memories"     6.    I Could Have Done More (Film Version) *    5:56 = 19M2/20M1 I Could Have Saved More with 19M2/20M1 Insert 2 properly edited into it, like in the final film.  The OST album track is just the original cue with no inserts included.
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    jamesluckard reacted to rpvee in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    My pleasure!
     
    Naomi Shemer did record a couple versions of the song herself, but no, the one in question is definitely by Adama.
     
    Very interesting about the “chel” spelling - but it definitely is “shel” in the majority of phonetical spellings.
     
    I love that interpretation of the song’s use at the end of the movie! It’s also just such a calming melody - the first half of the verse in particular - which further drives forward the hopefulness of the end.
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    jamesluckard reacted to rpvee in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    I’m something of an expert on this song, it’s one of my all time favorites. The version in Pour Sacha is by a group called Adama. They’ve recorded a couple versions of it, though they generally have the same arrangement (very much based on folk singer Shuly Nathan’s original version from 1967). I have both recordings, one of which is the Pour/Schindler’s version, though I don’t think I’d be allowed to post them here. The second one is on YouTube. You’re right that the first recording’s use in Pour Sacha does have a slightly different mix.
     
    Yerushalayim Shel (or “Chel”, though Schindler’s List is really the only place I’ve seen it spelled like that) Zahav is one of Israel’s most iconic songs, written by the “First Lady of Israeli Song”, Naomi Shemer. She admitted on her deathbed that she accidentally adapted part of the melody from a traditional Basque lullaby, though I think the differences are enough that Yerushalayim Shel Zahav still stands as its own beautiful composition.
     
    The song has seen countless amounts of interpretations beyond its folk origins, ranging from rock, to orchestral, to Middle Eastern, and more. There’s even a salsa version out there somewhere. One of the most popular versions was recorded by Israeli vocalist Ofra Haza in 1998, which is a stunning rendition and vocal performance.
     
    This may have been mentioned earlier, but the song is about Jerusalem, and has nothing to do with the Holocaust, so another song was used for screenings of Schindler’s List in Israel.
     
    Anyway, it’s a gorgeous song that serves as a beautiful ending to a masterpiece of cinema!
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    jamesluckard reacted to TownerFan in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    A rare picture from the Boston scoring sessions back in summer 1993:
     
     

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    jamesluckard got a reaction from Corellian2019 in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    "Disc One of this special 2-CD presentation showcases the original soundtrack assembly, sourced from the original 1993 release’s 24-karat gold Ultimate Masterdisc digital master, while Disc Two contains previously unreleased tracks, sourced from engineer Shawn Murphy’s stereo digital masters, including two major cues that are now presented in the versions heard in the picture: “Schindler’s Workforce” and “I Could Have Done More,” both of which underwent revisions after the 1993 album had been prepared."
     
    BTW, a user at FSM put together a listing of the cues in the order Williams intended, and I updated it to be in film order. I definitely intend to make a film order mix, here it is just so people have it and don't have to search the various threads here:
     
    05 · Schindler's Workforce (9:08) [The Money Exchange / Recruiting]
    09A Stolen Memories [0:00-3:04] · (3:04) [The Luggage Scene]
    OYF'N Pripetshok - from the Billy Bathgate soundtrack album
    06B Nacht Aktion [1:05-end] · (1:51)
    09B [3:04-end] · (1:16) [The Perlman Family]
    03 · Immolation (With Our Lives, We Give Life) (4:43) [The Burial Scene]
    10 · Making The List (5:10) [Typing The List]
    11A Give Me Your Names [0:00-2:14] · (2:14) [Say Your Name]
    08 · Auschwitz-Birkenau (3:40) [The Shower Scene]
    11B [2:14-end] · (2:40) [Returning Women]
    07 · I Could Have Done More (5:52) [I Could Have Saved More]
    Yeroushalaim Chel Zahav - from the Pour Sacha soundtrack album
    01 · Theme From Schindler's List (4:15) [Placing The Stones]
    14 · Theme From Schindler's List (Reprise) (2:59) [End Credits Piano Overlay / End Credits Extension]
    04 · Remembrances (4:20)

    Bonus tracks:
    02 · Jewish Town (Krakow Ghetto - Winter '41) (4:40) [The Journey To Crakow (Introduction And Theme)]
    06A [0:00-1:05] OYF'N Pripetshok - album version
    12 · Yeroushalaim Chel Zahav - album version
    13 · Remembrances (With Itzhak Perlman) (5:16) [End Credits]

    Track 2 is a concert arrangement, track 13 was originally recorded as the end credits, before tracks 14 and 4 were swapped in right before the film came out.
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    jamesluckard got a reaction from mstrox in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    "Disc One of this special 2-CD presentation showcases the original soundtrack assembly, sourced from the original 1993 release’s 24-karat gold Ultimate Masterdisc digital master, while Disc Two contains previously unreleased tracks, sourced from engineer Shawn Murphy’s stereo digital masters, including two major cues that are now presented in the versions heard in the picture: “Schindler’s Workforce” and “I Could Have Done More,” both of which underwent revisions after the 1993 album had been prepared."
     
    BTW, a user at FSM put together a listing of the cues in the order Williams intended, and I updated it to be in film order. I definitely intend to make a film order mix, here it is just so people have it and don't have to search the various threads here:
     
    05 · Schindler's Workforce (9:08) [The Money Exchange / Recruiting]
    09A Stolen Memories [0:00-3:04] · (3:04) [The Luggage Scene]
    OYF'N Pripetshok - from the Billy Bathgate soundtrack album
    06B Nacht Aktion [1:05-end] · (1:51)
    09B [3:04-end] · (1:16) [The Perlman Family]
    03 · Immolation (With Our Lives, We Give Life) (4:43) [The Burial Scene]
    10 · Making The List (5:10) [Typing The List]
    11A Give Me Your Names [0:00-2:14] · (2:14) [Say Your Name]
    08 · Auschwitz-Birkenau (3:40) [The Shower Scene]
    11B [2:14-end] · (2:40) [Returning Women]
    07 · I Could Have Done More (5:52) [I Could Have Saved More]
    Yeroushalaim Chel Zahav - from the Pour Sacha soundtrack album
    01 · Theme From Schindler's List (4:15) [Placing The Stones]
    14 · Theme From Schindler's List (Reprise) (2:59) [End Credits Piano Overlay / End Credits Extension]
    04 · Remembrances (4:20)

    Bonus tracks:
    02 · Jewish Town (Krakow Ghetto - Winter '41) (4:40) [The Journey To Crakow (Introduction And Theme)]
    06A [0:00-1:05] OYF'N Pripetshok - album version
    12 · Yeroushalaim Chel Zahav - album version
    13 · Remembrances (With Itzhak Perlman) (5:16) [End Credits]

    Track 2 is a concert arrangement, track 13 was originally recorded as the end credits, before tracks 14 and 4 were swapped in right before the film came out.
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    jamesluckard got a reaction from A. A. Ron in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    It's pretty easy to split those two cues up using the album version, there's a lengthy sustained note connecting them, I just faded out at the end of one cue and faded in on the opening of the other, in order to put the Auschwitz-Birkenau cue between them.
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    jamesluckard got a reaction from fommes in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    Thanks!
     
    The strange thing is the album versions of the two songs were both recorded by choirs in Israel, and conducted by other people, so based on the liner notes from the original CD, I'm not even clear if Williams had any involvement with them. Yet he clearly chose to include them on the album. Perhaps he commissioned these two Israeli choirs to record these versions?
     
    Either way, I'm glad both of the temp track versions stayed in the film.
     
    The Billy Bathgate version of OYF'N Pripetshok, arranged by Mark Isham, is much more effective, since it sounds intentionally like an amateur group of cheerful schoolchildren, with spare piano accompaniment. I can't find the whole piece online, but you can listen to a 30 second sample here, it's track 7:
    https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/billy-bathgate-original-motion-picture-soundtrack/1051699204
     
    The album version, performed by the Li-Ron Herzeliya Children's Choir of Tel Aviv, conducted by Ronit Shapira, is much like Yeroushalaim, it sounds professional and almost funereal, totally different:
     
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    jamesluckard got a reaction from A. A. Ron in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    Thanks!
     
    The strange thing is the album versions of the two songs were both recorded by choirs in Israel, and conducted by other people, so based on the liner notes from the original CD, I'm not even clear if Williams had any involvement with them. Yet he clearly chose to include them on the album. Perhaps he commissioned these two Israeli choirs to record these versions?
     
    Either way, I'm glad both of the temp track versions stayed in the film.
     
    The Billy Bathgate version of OYF'N Pripetshok, arranged by Mark Isham, is much more effective, since it sounds intentionally like an amateur group of cheerful schoolchildren, with spare piano accompaniment. I can't find the whole piece online, but you can listen to a 30 second sample here, it's track 7:
    https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/billy-bathgate-original-motion-picture-soundtrack/1051699204
     
    The album version, performed by the Li-Ron Herzeliya Children's Choir of Tel Aviv, conducted by Ronit Shapira, is much like Yeroushalaim, it sounds professional and almost funereal, totally different:
     
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    jamesluckard got a reaction from A. A. Ron in Schindler's List - 2CD 25th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records (2018)   
    This is the recording of Yeroushalaim Chel Zahav used in the film, from the movie "Pour Sacha." (Note that this video is a slightly different mix from the "Pour Sacha" soundtrack album mix, which I can't find anywhere online):
     
     
    This is the album version, performed by The Ramat Gan Chamber Choir, conducted by Hana Tzur, Williams doesn't seem to have any involvement with it.
     
     
    The recording used in the film, with the guitar and the whistling and the individual voices more audible, feels human and hopeful. The choral recording feels timeless and solemn, almost funereal. They're radically different and the version Spielberg went with totally defines the ending of the film.
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    jamesluckard reacted to Bespin in So, Rhino just re-issued the Towering Inferno LP....   
    https://us.7digital.com/artist/john-williams/release/the-towering-inferno-original-motion-picture-soundtrack-3914942?f=20%2C19%2C12%2C16%2C17%2C9%2C2
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    jamesluckard got a reaction from fommes in So, Rhino just re-issued the Towering Inferno LP....   
    Where is it available in that format?
     
    I kept putting off buying this, hoping there'd be a CD, but it's probably time to give in and buy it.
     
    At least doing that should ENSURE a CD is announced the next day. :)
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    jamesluckard reacted to Richard in Minority Report Complete Score Discussion (Rebuilding the filmographies section of the main page - Week 1)   
    I learnt a new word, today..."Eurasian".
    Thanks.
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    jamesluckard got a reaction from Richard in Minority Report Complete Score Discussion (Rebuilding the filmographies section of the main page - Week 1)   
    I found the scene you're talking about in the shooting script. It's a one page scene at the stadium, right after the atomic bomb goes off and Mrs. Victor dies. The Eurasian is a character from the book, I googled it. The scene is similar in the book and the shooting script. He tries to steal Jim's shoes, and then tells Jim about the atomic bomb and the Japanese surrender.
     
    Spielberg must have decided to cut The Eurasian scene while they were still shooting in Spain, because it is replaced in the finished film with an unscripted, impressionistic scene of Jim wandering through an abandoned Japanese post that's being looted by starving Chinese soldiers. This new scene conveys the exact same information as the scripted Eurasian scene - Jim learns about the atom bomb and Japanese surrender, only now from a radio playing in the background. This leads to Jim's line (delivered to The Eurasian in the shooting script) that he saw the bomb and thought it was Mrs. Victor's soul going up to heaven. (That beautiful line is Stoppard's invention, it's not in the book.)
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    jamesluckard got a reaction from crumbs in Minority Report Complete Score Discussion (Rebuilding the filmographies section of the main page - Week 1)   
    Just saw your question, here are the recordings used in the film for the classical pieces:
    Tchaikovsky: Symphonies Nos. 4-6 Schubert: Symphonies Nos. 3 & 8 I only just discovered the sessions, which amazes me, since I spent so many hours at the time the film came out figuring out where the album cues went and where all the source cues came from, going as far as calling Fox Music to clarify exactly which recordings of "Moon River" were used.
     
    Anyway, I thought it was really interesting to hear the cue "Anderton in Halo," because it is the score for a scene deleted at the VERY last minute. After being put in containment, Anderton had a fantasy conversation with the nine-year-old version of his son Sean, played by Spencer Treat Clark from Gladiator. It's a moving scene, assuming they filmed it as it is in the shooting script. I can only assume it slowed the film down that late. The scene was deleted so late that the credits had already been finalized, and I remember the release prints of the film had "Spencer Treat Clark - Sean at Nine" listed in them at the end. Since Spielberg doesn't believe in sharing deleted scenes (except the ones on CE3K), I suppose this music and the script pages are as close as we'll ever get to seeing that deleted scene, like the big "Camelot" action sequence deleted from WOTW,
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    jamesluckard got a reaction from fommes in Minority Report Complete Score Discussion (Rebuilding the filmographies section of the main page - Week 1)   
    Just saw your question, here are the recordings used in the film for the classical pieces:
    Tchaikovsky: Symphonies Nos. 4-6 Schubert: Symphonies Nos. 3 & 8 I only just discovered the sessions, which amazes me, since I spent so many hours at the time the film came out figuring out where the album cues went and where all the source cues came from, going as far as calling Fox Music to clarify exactly which recordings of "Moon River" were used.
     
    Anyway, I thought it was really interesting to hear the cue "Anderton in Halo," because it is the score for a scene deleted at the VERY last minute. After being put in containment, Anderton had a fantasy conversation with the nine-year-old version of his son Sean, played by Spencer Treat Clark from Gladiator. It's a moving scene, assuming they filmed it as it is in the shooting script. I can only assume it slowed the film down that late. The scene was deleted so late that the credits had already been finalized, and I remember the release prints of the film had "Spencer Treat Clark - Sean at Nine" listed in them at the end. Since Spielberg doesn't believe in sharing deleted scenes (except the ones on CE3K), I suppose this music and the script pages are as close as we'll ever get to seeing that deleted scene, like the big "Camelot" action sequence deleted from WOTW,
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