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    Star Wars Disenchantment

    Ok, enjoy the conversation with yourself then. Bye! I disengage for real.
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    Star Wars Disenchantment

    Exactly because the F# is a half-step off from G, it's a different interval, so it doesn't form the major triad from Vader's motif. The similarity between the two short melodies (we are literally talking of fragments of 2-3 notes) can be reduced to saying that "the melody goes down, then up, then down again" in both cases. You need something more solid to say that a theme quotes another one. Take this example, from the Battle of Hoth, starting at 1:41: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1riVCPmtJuY In this case, we hear an obvious variation of the Imperial March (or Vader Motif, as you call it). The notes are Eb Eb Eb Cb Fb / Eb Cb Fb Eb. A literal statement of the march in the key of Eb minor would be Eb Eb Eb Cb Gb / Eb Cb Gb Eb. So, the melody is not identical (one note was lowered by a tone, twice), however there is no doubt as to what it is. Is this in any way similar to the situation with the fragment that you mention? Absolutely no, because in this case there are at least two elements that identify this as a variation of the theme: 1) the rhythm, which is identical to that of the model, and 2) the instrumentation (6 horns, of which 3 stopped and 3 natural), which relies on the brass, similarly to the model. Now, in the case you are mentioning, 1) the melody is different, 2) the harmony is completely different, 3) the instrumentation is completely different, 4) the rhythm is completely different with respect to the model. So, they are just different. Good!
  3. So, is the rising Skywalker going to be... Rey?
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    Star Wars Disenchantment

    The musical stuff is wrong and stays wrong, it was already explained to you. You drew conclusions based on wrong notes (the Scavenger fragment), not distinguishing between a major third and a minor third, seeing similarities based on fragments of just two notes, etcetera. Personally, the musical part of your analysis is the only thing I had objected to (except when you said that Anakin's theme quotes Vader's theme, which is true but also well known since 1999). On the other hand, you were right in predicting the return of the Emperor, which I also feel was a necessity because of the Darth Plagueis dialogue in the prequels.
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    What will the title of SW Ep. IX be?

    But you had both "Skywalkers" and "The Fate of the Skywalker" in your collection! Not bad!
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    Star Wars Disenchantment

    I hope I will not regret what I'm going to say, but... I've always thought that force ghosts really cannot affect anything in the real world, being a "presence" only for those who see them (for example, only Luke sees the trio at the end of ROTJ). In the case of the burning tree scene in TLJ, the lightning could be just a real event, while Luke's vision of Yoda could be his personal interpretation. In other words, an external observer would just see a normal lightning strike the tree, while in Luke's imagination, Yoda is casting the lightning.
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    Star Wars Disenchantment

    Indeed, also because, in Anakin's case, it's literally the same character in two different stages of his life, and audiences in 1999 already knew his future evolution. More than a hint, it was a sort of "reminder" of what people already knew would happen.
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    Star Wars Disenchantment

    I think he means the end of the theme in that track, at 0:59. This one is actually correct (but also well known to be intentional).
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    Star Wars Disenchantment

    John Williams famously said that he had written Princess Leia's theme as a love theme, because he was expecting she would have a love story with Luke, only to discover in the last movie that they were twins, and the love story was going to involve Leia and Han. Just in case anyone still wanted to look for hidden messages and links in the musical themes, or any kind of long-term planning in these things.
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    Star Wars Disenchantment

    Ok, I'll disengage as well, and enjoy the show
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    Star Wars Disenchantment

    Instead of this reiterated nonsense (which makes even less sense than your original mistake, and does not warrant a reply), have you noticed how the rhythm (not the pitches) of the ending of that theme resembles... the rhythm of the Han & Leia's theme?? What is JW trying to tell us?? Is Rey their daughter??
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    Star Wars Disenchantment

    Ok, listen. I already told you what real notes are being played there. That was my polite, fact-based reaction. I will now try to be clearer: if you keep saying that you hear the sequence D, B, G, B, or whatever else than the notes that I wrote, that's enough for me to conclude that either 1) you are trolling, or 2) you suffer from some kind of auditory hallucinations, or 3) you don't know... notes, or intervals. I cannot find other explanations, and I am starting to believe that no. 3 is the most likely (the cure would be to get some music lessons). To anyone who knows music theory, your posts read as if you were saying that 2 + 2 = 5. You are even declaring wrong notes, come on! Yeah, sure!!
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    Star Wars Disenchantment

    Ok, he is 100% a troll. I thought he might truly believe in some of the nonsense he was saying about the musical intervals, hence I bothered to reply. It's now obvious that he's just trolling and laughing at us. I should have realized that in advance - my bad.
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    Star Wars Disenchantment

    ... except that it is wrong. The notes you are referring to (as written down by @Falstaft ) are C A Eb C. The Vader Motif, in that key, would be C Ab Eb C. Surely you are not implying that JW, when quoting Vader's motif to deliver his hidden messages, made a mistake? ... except that you are wrong. If you are referring to the melody played by the flute, that fragment is G F# F# (one octave down) D B (then it goes to E). Nothing to do with the Darth Vader motif, which in that key would be B G D B.
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    Star Wars Disenchantment

    Don't forget the "Closing In" theme from "Catch me if you can"! There must be some hidden connection between Frank Abagnale, the Emperor, and Rey... and Williams is cleverly hinting at that through the minor third interval! It cannot be a coincidence.
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