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  1. Fair point, but I'm fine with it either way.
  2. The Arwen thing - I understand the issue there. Really, I can see how someone would have an issue with the subplot as a whole. With Sam I think you're off-base. His and Frodo's relationship is strained throughout The Two Towers, so you can't say the seeds of their parting weren't planted much earlier. In fact, as a piece of drama its very well structured, too: it starts with a small disagreement in Emyn Muil (when Frodo decides to unleash Gollum), it escalates to a vocal argument and eventually reaches its lowest point when Frodo sends Sam away, right before resolving itself triumphantly as Sam saves Frodo from Shelob. And while I see @Holko's issue with the specific scene where Sam is shown going down the stairs, to me its perfectly understandable that Sam would feel so dejected at that point that he would start going back. Like I said, its also valuable because it pits Sam and Frodo's friendship head-to-head with the hold of the Ring over Frodo's psyche. This, to me, makes meaningful the destruction of the ring where the juxtaposition of the ring sitting on the lava, glowing, maks it seem like the Ring is calling Frodo down to the fires, and eventually his friendship with Sam prevails over the seduction.
  3. Is it such a big change, though? Its taken directly from the appendices: as long as its from Tolkien, I'm not going to fuss about where exactly in his body of work its from.
  4. It wasn't meant as an insult. Sorry if it reads as such. But what I mean is that there are book purists and there are book purists. Some want the book to be transferred to the screen as-is. Others would stomach a lot of "changes" as long as they're superficial - shuffling a setpiece from one place in the narrative to another here, removing sections of the source material there, etc - but not much else. Both are book purists. The fact of the matter is, to make a truly good adaptation you need to make changes that go a bit deeper than that, and such changes are always (with this series and otherwise) met with disregard on this board, so I just called out the pattern.
  5. Trailers rarely have the same color palette as the finished film.
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    The J.R.R Tolkien Discussion Thread

    In cosmological terms, Hobbits are just a form of man, not unlike the Beornings and Drúedain.
  7. I grant you that it comes without much setup, much like everything to do with this relationship. But it is important to tie Arwen back to the main plot, otherwise it all shouldn’t be there in the first place: films shouldn’t have side-plots, they have subplots. As for Sam leaving Frodo - that’s even more vital to the drama. Sam’s relationship with Frodo has to have ups and downs, and at some point it has to be pitted head-on against the temptation of the Ring. That’s exactly what it is. And unlike Arwen’s illness, this does receive set-up: in The Two Towers they fight, and Frodo later points Sting at Sam. When two people are together for such a long time and under such duress, they’ll eventually spar. It happens. I’m sorry, but to me, both arguments amount to little more than “bat dat is not haw it waz in da buk.”
  8. It has to tie back to the main conflict of the series (i.e. the war of the ring). Otherwise it would be redundant. Tolkien attributes the death of Finduilas of Amroth to a similar cause, so why not use it to dramatize Arwen and Aragorn's relationship?
  9. How so? Its what convinces Elrond to reforge Narsil!
  10. As it is in the films. But for one to be invested in the tragedy of a relationship, one has to first be invested in the relationship itself. It works well enough for me, but I can understand how someone else might have an issue with it.
  11. I know someone who has a similar problem: he can’t get emotionally involved with the relationship of Arwen and Aragorn, which I can understand: it doesn’t have a lot of setup: it’s just there from the word go. There’s a deleted scene that may have helped with that. I don’t mind as much, because the main themes of this series are family (we don’t see a complete family until the last frame) and same-sex friendships; the romance is kind of disposable.
  12. If its more emotionally effective - it is the better movie. Not to mention the better score. Really, with this trilogy, all this "pick a favorite" sport is much more of an exercise of splitting hairs. All three films and scores are cut from the same cloth. They're not separate entries - they're different parts of a single entry.
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    Cats vs. Dogs

    I should preface that Israel has a lot of stray cats, so that factors into it as well. Mine was just that: a stray that latched unto me. Not a domesticated cat, but a nasty, vicious predator. What could be more manly that having that kind of pet? Every once in a while she'd turn the front yard into the murder scene of a pigeon. She'd bring me severed rat heads. She'd chase off other cats off the property - the works.
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    Cats vs. Dogs

    Its a mandatory service, so yeah.
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    Cats vs. Dogs

    I had a cat, and I'm formerly a captain in the IAF. Manly enough for you? Its a mini-tiger! What manly man wouldn't want one of those? Anyhow, cats are a fairly more prevalent pet.