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  1. Unfortunately all I've seen so far is very similar criticisms to Empire, mostly nitpicks that are blown out of proportion, a lot of it focusing on "what could have been" rather than what's there, or malcontent with characters not living up to people's own ridiculous standards, not answering questions that really don't need to be answered because they were built up in the heads of fans rather than the movies themselves. The only valid criticisms I've seen is the Canto Bight stuff, but even then that's only 10% of the movie. Rian trolled people hard with this movie, and the fans fell for it which I find pretty brilliant. You can tell this is what happened because hardcore fans are foaming at the mouth over the minor details while general audiences seem to be blown away by it.
  2. In *retrospect* that's how people see it, but at the time ESB was largely polarizing. A lot of people couldn't really stomach Yoda at first, or the fact that it ended on such a sour note where the hero gets his ass kicked and completely fails in the end, where Han Solo failed massively and got frozen in carbonite which lead to questions about whether or not he'd even return for the next one. My dad mentioned to me that a lot of his friends "swore off" Star Wars after ESB because it was so cold and dissimilar to ANH, and what he told me today is that the fan reaction to TLJ feels *exactly* like an echo of 1980. As an example you can read this NYT review from 1980 (a very fun read btw) that feels *very* similar to what people are saying about this movie: http://www.nytimes.com/library/film/061580empire.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/movies/review97/empirestrikesbackmartin.htm
  3. Congratulations all you idiotic morons, now because of the massive fan backlash to this movie LFL and Disney are going to respond by making the most formulaic, safe, bullshit Star Wars movies for the next 40 years. Fuck the the fans. The completely vain, whiny criticisms of this movie are absolutely laughable, hold zero weight, and are only going to turn Star Wars into a completely uninteresting franchise. They're never going to take risks ever again. Fucking ridiculous.
  4. "Everything EU fans say about this movie is wrong" -Luke
  5. Absolutely loved this movie. I have no quarrels at all. The only thing that was weird was the milking of the tits, which is growing on me. I tend not to overly scrutinize stuff i thoroughly enjoy, because why? The stuff on Canto Bight was perfectly fine, it moved alone and they were off the planet before it over stayed it's welcome. It came full circle in the end too, and I really want a Rebel Alliance secret ring. We also cut back to the main story enough that it doesn't matter. I absolutely don't understand anyone's gripes with the movie. Leia's force move was fantastic imo, I understand if people don't like it but it clicked with me. The music I think shined quite a lot and was mixed pretty damn well, although sometimes they should let the explosions fall behind the music, because music is more powerful than explosions (to me)
  6. I get the feeling that this movie will leave us with a lot of mixed emotions like ESB.
  7. Yeah I agree. These are his twilight years afterall, and I think that is reflected in his music. Not in a bad way, but his music now is like looking at a calm sunset rather than getting blasted with the hot afternoon sun.
  8. Truth. My favorite themes are usually the innocent, child-like wondrous themes. It's why I absolutely love the Harry Potter score so much, just as much as Star Wars in many ways.
  9. I get the impression that Rose is a very duty-driven type character so i guess it makes sense
  10. Can't tell if it's a variation of the Imp march or of Rey's theme, which I find VERY interesting.
  11. Well I just listened to the whole thing. This soundtrack is way more punchy than the last one, and in some ways Williams is returning to form here. The mix doesn't sound quite as dry as TFA which I like. Rose's theme is very nice, I hope her character deserves it. Yoda's theme.... well I guess I'm spoiled now. Looking forward to that scene. There's a lot more "magic" in the orchestration this time around, more glossy flutes and bells which is definitely welcome. Apparently this movie has a lot more metaphysical stuff that happens in it which I'm looking forward to. Luke and Leia's theme making a return makes me wonder if they'll see each other again or... worse it's as close as we'll ever get to that happening. I'm scared for the fate of Luke now. Both TFA and TLJ are very smoothly orchestrated which I find interesting, compared to the rock concert like approach to the OT. I'm disappointed with the lack of concert arrangements, but maybe we'll get a more expanded score in the future. John Williams is getting old and I think a little less adventurous, but that doesn't really take away from the score in my opinion. I consider the OT scores to be some of the best orchestral music ever written especially ANH, and these new ones will always feel a little subpar because they work less like concert pieces and more like a film score, which is fine because that's what it's supposed to be, but I wish the music would follow it's own path sometimes. The TLJ score comes the closest to the god tier orchestrations of the OT, but you can see where it falls a little flat when put nose to nose with the old themes. I just feel like some of the themes aren't as poignant as they could be with maybe the exception of Rey's theme. Most of them are relegated to a few notes, like Kylo's theme for example, which comes off more like motifs than fully fleshed out themes, whereas a lot of the old themes have a beginning middle and end that move in and out of each other. Some of the themes feel more like stingers than anything else, maybe because the film doesn't leave a lot of room for John to work (pacing is too frenetic in movies today). There's a lot more to chew on in this soundtrack which I'm so happy about, and I think a lot of people who were disappointed by TFA's score will be a lot happier with this. If ANH is a 10/10 score, then I think I can safely say that this score is a solid 8.5/10, with TFA maybe being an 8/10. Definitely better than AOTC and ROTS, and maybe not quite as dense as TPM (which is actually some of my favorite music by JW)
  12. God I can't believe everyone gets to listen to it early. I'm dying
  13. You're my new best friend. Do you like money? Lots of it?