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  1. It's a very big topic because there are multiple "forms". But listen to Beethoven Piano Sonatas for excellent example of structure and form. He wrote the book on classical form then destroyed it. Even his sonatinas (short sonatas) are brilliant examples of structure but frankly it takes a lot of study to expose its secrets. Maybe check out this basic example of Beethoven's Piano Sonata form: In a way, you can think of it like Joseph Cambell's hero's journey story structure. Many books have been written on this topic but you could sort of think of the hero's journey as story structure. Similarly, Sonata follows a dramatic structure: For example, you would never start a story with the climax. Or end it by introducing the characters. True, story tellers can play around with the order of these events but if if you line them up chronologically, they will fall in to a similar pattern (Pulp Fiction for example). Similarly, you would start a sonata by introducing the theme (characters) and their dilemma. The story would continue throughout the movement as the theme faces drama and additional characters (secondary themes for example). The climax would be the point of ultimate drama followed by a resolution. Great stories manage the balance of all these elements. Over centuries, artists try to stretch and challenge these classic structures but the goal is usually the same (tell a coherent drama with a satisfying resolution) though their are interpretive, individualistic, and stylistic approaches in how to do this.
  2. No need to apologize but think of it how trombonists would react to this obvious fake ad. The model has probably never seen a trombone before this photo shoot and we players will joyfully rip it apart.
  3. It applies to all fields. Someone who is great at what they do doesn't necessarily translate to being great at illuminating/communicating/educating others. Our @Loert and @Ludwig are especially gifted at it but JW might not be. The astronauts who walked on the moon were quite bad at describing what that experience was like. Arguably the most articulate astronaut was Mike Collins (Apollo 11) who said he couldn't really describe what it was like to go to the moon. "I think the view from 100,000 miles could be invaluable in getting people together to work out joint solutions, by causing them to realize that the planet we share unites us in a way far more basic and far more important than differences in skin color or religion or economic system. The pity of it is that so far, the view from 100,000 miles has been the exclusive property of a handful of test pilots, rather than the world leaders who need this new perspective, or the poets who might communicate it to them." - Mike Collins, 1972.
  4. Williams should write a book about harmony. I know some will distill him down to dominant 7ths, majmin 7, flat 6, polytonal, quartal, etc., but he is so much more sophisticated than that. For example, his chord progressions are unique. I'll bet we all immediately recognize the attached audio as classic JW and probably the exact scene it's from. His sophisticated harmony is absolutely one of my favorite qualities about him and is sorely missed in just about any other current film composer. Example.mp3 This also demonstrates another topic, Williams' sophisticated dramaturgy (his musical sense of telling a dramatic story over time). One important aspect of harmony is subverting expectations. For instance, a theme is first heard very consonant (harmonically pleasing) or diatonic (within a key) but later, for dramatic purposes, there are "wrong" notes or notes that are outside the key/dissonant. Knowing where and how to do this well is very hard to learn/teach.
  5. With four violins, four violas, a bunch of horns and trombones?
  6. There is something really phony about the John Williams image. There are only four violins (two first and two seconds), four violas, at least three cellos. All the players are dressed in black which is just odd unless they were "directed". I wonder if this is just a photo shoot and not from a session. No time code in the stills...
  7. karelm

    The Mystery of "The Map Room: Dawn"

    Haha, I once had to score a scene temped with The Map Room!!
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    War Horse MUSIC Discussion Thread

    Very beautiful! Some really high notes in there too!
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    The Classical Music Recommendation Thread

    John Williams - Fanfare for a Festive Occasion (1980) https://picosong.com/w87mm John Williams - Esplanade Overture (1981) reminds me a bit of the contemporaneous E.T. bike chase music.
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    The Quick Question Thread

    I don't think Hollywood was making music meant to last for generations. This goes back to the point that they would toss the sheet music of some amazing composers after it had been recorded because they had to move on to the next score right away so it was a bit of a production line that happened to have amazing talent. Those works can definitely sound great if given the proper treatment and the original masters exist in good shape (the Ten Commandments from 1956 was recorded at MGM and just had a marvelous remastering). Take a listen to some of these clips: http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.10415/.f I think this Ride of the Valkyries segment sounds pretty great for 1956! TCEB_02-30.m3u
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    The Quick Question Thread

    It was given a spare no expense treatment back then. You can definitely significantly improve 60's contemporaneous era recordings if their masters are in good shape. Take for example the Beatles remastered. Solti's recording was the first complete recording of the Ring, used all the exotic instruments which weren't typically used at that time (bass trumpet, contrabass trombone, Wagner tuben, etc), in a very fine hall with state of the art recording gear and the best Wagner vocalists. It has been remastered several times using the latest and greatest technologies to remove tape hiss and add sheen and overtones. You are probably hearing one of the recent remasterings. Also, to me Decca/London has always had phenomenal sound. That was just part of their mission.
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    The Quick Question Thread

    This should be the shortest.
  13. Remember, Akira Ifukube was working with the same director, IshirĊ Honda, on that series. Plus other unrelated series like the king kong movie without Godzilla and many other monster movies by same director and composer team. Obviously, when JJ or Rain Johnson works JW, they are bringing different approaches to how they use music. They are bringing a new generation's aesthetics to the scoring process which should be considered when considering the evolution of the score. With all that said, ANH is the work of young people and it shows. Though the same talent is used in TROS, it is scored by an old veteran. I would be surprised if the same youthful energy is there, but I expect all the same fingerprints to still be there.
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    The Quick Question Thread

    I'm a fan of 1950's and 60's B movie sci-fi scores. At some point they transitioned to epic Wagnerian leitmotific. My question - what was the last great vintage sci-fi B movie score? I believe Goldsmith's Planet of the Apes was an A list score, perhaps influenced by 2001's avant garde approach? But I believe there was an overlap of the old with the new. Perhaps decades long.
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