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That bit in ESB when Luke is following Lando, Leia and co at Bespin. I think it's around where Boba Fett first fires at him
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Man, the critics are totally missing this!
It's pretty obvious that Williams is deliberately creating a tradition, passing the baton of this very famous melody, from its origin deep in history in the 1800s by the Shaker composer, to Copland's treatment in 1944 towards the end of the war and other uses in classical and popular culture along the way, now to the swearing in of an African American President. Just like Obama's speech which didn't have any "catch phrases" --- nor did Lincoln's or FDR's inaugural speeches for instance; many were actually criticized in their day --- the important and emotional resonance of what was presented yesterday may not instantly be apparent, but in good time, as history becomes shaped, the substance will gain in significance.
History is not immediate; it takes years to crystallize. And what Williams chose to present took foresight, and plain guts.
The symbolism of the Shaker melody is beyond appropriate. America is all about learning from and remembering the past, her very old charters guiding the country through the most difficult of times, reminding us that hope and joy can be renewed by reaffirming neglected traditions while we look to the future.
If Williams had composed an entirely new piece, it may have been aesthetically spine-tingling for the moment, but it's ironic that these chamber critics aren't appreciating the symbolism that would have otherwise been missed.
Wasn't it FDR's that said that the only thing America had to fear "was fear itself" or something?...that's sort of a catch phrase. It might have taken a while for it to become a catch phrase though, as you pointed out, history is not immediate and takes a while to crystallize. Could be the same for this recent speech perhaps? Good points about the use of the Shaker hymn though.
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No mention yet for Hugo Friedhofer in this thread? How VERY dare you!
The Best Years of Our Lives.
I don't post here a lot, but I this was the first score that came to mind when I saw the thread title. Guess you beat me to it!
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Sorry if someone's already posted this...I thought I'd read it on this board before but did a quick scan of at least this thread and couldn't find it
Brahms' "Academic Festival Overture" in "A Whirl Through Academe". Based on what little I know of the Brahms piece, I think this is intentional. Does anyone know?
ASW
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That's a really cool story WilliamsFan301!
I actually watched this film last night as well. It's always been a favourite of mine that I'll watch from time to time....it really is an amazing film: beautifully shot, acted, scored etc. I also watched WOTW recently (the Spielberg film) and noticed that Spielberg seemed to borrow certain images from Empire of the Sun for the ferry scene and the mob crowding around the car - right down to a shot of the characters' hands getting separated in the mob. I'm not complaining, of course, and they work well in both films, but it was nice to see where it may have come from originally.
ASW
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Every thinkable aspect of the Stargate show is as unremarkable and unambitious as Walker, Texas Ranger. It's for people that name McDonalds a classy restaurant.
Well, in fairness, having Chuck Norris actually sing the theme to his own TV series could be considered ambitious.
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Raiders March in The Holiday (well, all the other cameos in that film too)...not sure if these qualify given the context of the film though.
I guess since CE3K in Moonraker was brought up, might as well add The Magnificent Seven's cameo in that film as well
ASW, who loves the aforementioned King Kong reference in TLW too
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The Witch's theme from The Wizard of Oz in The Hunchback of Notre Dame
Cool, where's that?During the scene where one of the talking gargoyles tells the birds to "Fly! Fly!"...they purposely try to make it look like Wizard of Oz, visually and aurally. But the cue itself is unreleased (at least it's not on the OST =/)
OH this is the Disney version of the film, just for clarifcation
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Not themes from another film, but there's a lot of good ones in 1941, apart from the Jaws appearance already mentioned. Offhand, I can think of Anchor's Aweigh, The Marines' Hymn, the German National Anthem (is that Deutche Uber Alles?) and Deep in the Heart of Texas (I think that's the title of the song, but it's the one Belushi sings)....too bad only two of those are on the OST
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The Witch's theme from The Wizard of Oz in The Hunchback of Notre Dame and Dumb and Dumber
oh, and The Quiet Man in E.T.
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Although Goldsmith continues his long-standing tradition of using a complete orchestra without any synthesizers
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I read Amazon customer reviews of pop music and musical theater, but the film score reviews are too depressing. "This CD is just background music. Why aren't there are any words?"it's not just at Amazon either, alas. http://www.filmtracks.com/comments/titles/...ndex.cgi?read=9
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Peter Seller's Clouseau.
LOL.
Seconded.
He is....a modest man!
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Well, at least you don't see the machinery operating the rubber shark as in 'Jaws - The Revenge'. I recently acquired a four-disc-set with all the JAWS-movies and the last two are really somewhat special.
A wonderful image of the fibre glass terror of 'Jaws - The Revenge'!
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There was this one occasion where I was in my room doing homework listening to "The Battle of Hoth" and my dad opened my door to tell me something and just as I swiveled around in my chair to face him, that bit in the track where Vader turns in his chair thing to face Ozzel in the viewscreen came on at that exact moment.
A friend of mine also had an interesting experience with that same track. Apparently he was walking along a sidewalk listening to the passage where Wedge's snowspeeder is making its final pass around the AT-AT's legs on his iPod and then saw a bee or something circling around his legs at that moment.
There's probably a lot more incidents I've forgotten about....I suppose with the sheer volume of music people like us listen to, stuff like this is bound to happen a lot
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It's not exactly realistic, but for sheer entertainment value Errol Flynn vs. Basil Rathbone in Robin Hood has yet to be topped.
The swordfight between Captain Thorpe and Lord Wolfingham in The Sea Hawk
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Beethoven's Symphony 6, any of Mozart's Piano Concerti, or perhaps his Requiem Mass in D minor. On that note, I wonder if Williams has ever performed a Mozart piano concerto... I'd love to hear that. Anyone know?
ASW - who saw Bramwell Tovey conduct the Vancouver Symphony in a performance of Beethoven's 6th a few weeks back, and enjoyed it immensely
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Indeed, in addition to the strong talents of the many fine actors to work on Trek, SW films, if at least where the Prequels are concerned, can't beat the chemistry between Kirk, Spock and McCoy. That said, I'd say the OT cast had exellent chemistry
On a different note, how would one compare the console/PC games? Just curious...I'm familiar with a number of the SW titles, but haven't played a Trek game.
ASW, who loves both SW (OT and the scores anyway) and ST
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There's also this really weird sound in I think it's "Roy's First Encounter" or "Chasing UFOs" in CE3K that's really creepy. I'll post up tracktimes when I get the chance but does anyone know what's making that sound?
This is a choral effect. The directions for the female chorus on the conductor's score are “closed mouth, nasal sound thru teeth, with
menace, tone waver”.
See Bill Wrobel's score rundown here
Cooool
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SW films, LOTR films, Toy Story, a number of Spielberg films, various Trek quotes, The Blues Brothers, Ferris Beuller's Day Off, Ghostbusters....too many to name
ASW, who enjoys selecting quotes from these to apply real-life occasions as they occur
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...although aside from being a really small guy, Nurhachi was an emperor, and founder of, the Qing Dynasty, which came after the Ming
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I mentioned this in an earlier thread but thought it might fit here. The end of the end credits cue in Goldsmith's Poltergeist doesn't quite make you jump but it's really unsettling if you're not expecting it.
I'll check this out when I come home for the weekend, I've forgotten what happens at the end of that cue. Something similar to the end of Hannibal, I suppose?
I'm actually not familiar with Hannibal...but it seems even some non-Zimmer fans like it so it sounds like I should check it out. Btw, did you get a chance to listen to that Poltergeist cue? What did you think?
I think those are orchestrational effects. It's mainly woodwinds,strings and percussion, possibly with a wordless effect choir.ah yes, that sounds about right. There's a somewhat similar effect in "The Intersection Scene" from WOTW....same orchestration, perhaps?
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I can't seem to recall that many off hand for some reason, but I remember liking "What You Leave Behind" from DS9, especially that lovely arrangement of "The Way You Look Tonight" mixed in with McCarthy's theme.
Another one I do remember is "Sightings" from JAG's first season...it had some neat percussion reminiscent of TLW. I also enjoyed a lot of the scores for Magnum P.I....yeah they're a little dated but they work, imho.
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I'm surprised that nobody recommended Luthor's Luau.
Funnily enough that came to mind as I was reading the posts!
And I agree Swing, Swing, Swing sounds like an excellent choice...if Moonlight Serenade is ok then I'm sure this isn't too outdated at all, unless there's another Moonlight Serenade besides the Glenn Miller one I'm not aware of.
Also, why not some of the celebratory music from the SW scores....perhaps the Ewok song, or......Lapti Nek!
...or not...
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Sorry I'm in the middle of school exams and haven't been able to post for a few days. Just want to say thanks for the replies...I knew someone here would know!
ASW
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