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  1. 1:42-2:00. Those "dense minor harmonies" as Doug calls them have always transfixed me. Anyone want to venture an analysis? Bonus points for getting the voicings correct and not just deciphering each harmony's type.
  2. The Themes of Howard Shore’s The Hobbit Compiled by Jason LeBlanc Copyright 2014 Jason LeBlanc Do not copy without my express permission. Themes (In order of appearance) RETURNING FROM THE LORD OF THE RINGS The Shire AUJ 1-01 0:52-1:11 AUJ 1-02 0:00-0:57 AUJ 1-07 1:38-1:47 AUJ 2-05 1:37-2:08 AUJ 2-14 0:45-1:01 DOS 1-01 0:49-1:04 DOS 2-07 0:09-0:32 The Hobbit Outline AUJ 1-02 0:24-0:45 Hobbits (Doug’s name: The Shire Rural Setting) AUJ 1-02 1:03-1:21 AUJ 1-02 1:51-2:26 Smoke Rings AUJ 1-02 2:26-2:41 Gandalf’s Fireworks AUJ 1-02 3:41-3:50 AUJ 1-02 3:55-4:04 Hobbit Mischief AUJ 1-07 1:15-1:24 Sauron’s Descending Thirds AUJ 1-10 4:49-5:51 (Necromancer Variation) AUJ 1-14 1:41-1:49 (Necromancer Variation) AUJ 2-04 0:36-0:48 AUJ 2-04 5:53-6:06 (Necromancer Variation) AUJ 2-04 6:16-6:40 (Necromancer Variation) DOS 1-03 0:55-1:11 (Necromancer Variation) DOS 1-03 2:09-2:27 DOS 1-04 1:30-1:40 (Necromancer Variation) DOS 1-04 3:45-4:11 (Necromancer Variation) DOS 2-05 0:11-0:31 DOS 2-05 1:31-1:34 DOS 2-05 2:03-2:10 DOS 2-05 2:36-3:08 DOS 2-10 1:11-1:33 (Necromancer Variation) DOS 2-10 1:33-1:49 DOS 2-10 2:48-2:51 DOS 2-11 3:20-3:26 (Bolg Variation?) DOS 2-11 3:34-3:48 (Bolg Variation?) DOS 2-11 7:56-7:59 DOS 2-11 8:08-8:10 DOS 2-12 4:32-4:33 DOS 2-12 4:47-4:49 Sauron’s Theme AUJ 1-10 6:22-6:36 AUJ 1-14 3:10-3:23 (New Variation) AUJ 2-04 8:06-8:29 (New Variation) DOS 1-03 1:27-1:43 (New Variation) DOS 1-04 3:49-3:59 DOS 1-05 1:12-1:37 DOS 2-05 2:36-2:53 A Hobbit’s Understanding AUJ 1-14 0:08-0:33 Lothlórien AUJ 1-15 2:28-2:41 AUJ 2-04 3:50-4:26 AUJ 2-05 0:47-1:04 Rivendell AUJ 2-01 0:59-1:56 AUJ 2-01 2:11-2:24 AUJ 2-04 0:00-0:32 AUJ 2-04 0:52-1:30 Isengard AUJ 2-04 4:38-4:50 The History of the Ring AUJ 2-08 0:14-0:30 AUJ 2-08 0:46-1:03 AUJ 2-08 2:34-2:47 AUJ 2-09 0:41-0:59 DOS 1-06 6:43-7:08 DOS 1-08 2:20-2:32 Gollum’s Menace AUJ 2-08 1:44-1:58 AUJ 2-08 2:04-2:08 The Pity of Gollum AUJ 2-08 4:22-4:36 AUJ 2-09 5:14-5:29 Nature’s Reclamation AUJ 2-10 1:58-2:08 The Witch King Of Angmar’s Theme AUJ 2-17 2:23-2:52 Bree DOS 1-01 1:04-1:17 Footsteps of Doom DOS 1-13 0:40-1:02 DOS 1-13 1:37-1:42 Elven Healing DOS 2-09 1:56-2:08 Elven Heroics DOS 2-11 5:00-5:14 INTRODUCED IN AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY House of Durin AUJ 1-01 0:00-0:37 (History of the Ring combo version) AUJ 2-11 0:32-0:46 (History of the Ring combo version) AUJ 2-04 3:00-3:22 DOS 1-01 0:41-0:48 (Final 4 notes only) DOS 2-02 3:07-4:10 DOS 2-04 0:00-0:48 DOS 2-05 1:11-1:24 DOS 2-11 5:49-6:37 DOS 2-13 0:54-1:17 DOS 2-13 1:51-1:56 DOS 2-13 3:06-3:22 Bilbo’s Adventure Theme AUJ 1-01 0:37-0:52 AUJ 1-08 0:12-0:41 AUJ 1-08 0:41-0:55 (Company Variation) AUJ 2-11 3:25-3:41 AUJ 2-14 0:00-0:31 AUJ 2-15 0:00-0:25 (Company Variation) AUJ 2-15 0:39-1:01 (Company Variation) DOS 1-09 0:00-0:13 Erebor AUJ 1-01 1:57-2:17 AUJ 1-01 5:44-5:52 AUJ 1-05 0:55-1:13 AUJ 1-05 1:53-2:13 AUJ 1-15 2:06-2:28 AUJ 2-02 0:58-1:18 AUJ 2-02 3:07-3:17 AUJ 2-11 1:22-1:30 AUJ 2-11 4:10-4:42 DOS 1-04 4:31-4:41 DOS 1-06 1:28-1:32 DOS 1-11 1:28-1:33 DOS 2-03 0:18-0:26 DOS 2-03 1:53-2:08 DOS 2-04 1:01-1:26 DOS 2-06 0:45-0:53 (New Variation) DOS 2-06 3:16-3:33 (Opening Notes) DOS 2-06 5:20-5:40 (New Variation) DOS 2-11 1:01-1:10 (New Variation) Thorin’s Theme AUJ 1-01 2:17-2:40 AUJ 1-01 5:34-5:44 AUJ 1-05 0:00-0:21 AUJ 1-05 0:29-0:55 AUJ 1-05 1:30-1:34 AUJ 1-05 2:13-2:27 AUJ 1-05 2:46-3:03 AUJ 1-09 1:54-2:01 AUJ 1-09 2:52-3:01 AUJ 1-09 3:57-4:18 AUJ 2-02 2:42-3:07 AUJ 2-05 0:21-0:39 AUJ 2-05 3:15-3:25 AUJ 2-11 0:46-0:51 AUJ 2-11 4:42-4:50 DOS 1-01 1:42-1:50 (Shortened) DOS 1-10 3:28-3:46 DOS 1-14 1:09-1:18 DOS 2-03 0:08-0:13 (First 2 notes) DOS 2-03 1:05-1:13 DOS 2-03 2:08-2:23 DOS 2-06 0:53-0:58 DOS 2-06 2:31-2:40 (Opening notes) DOS 2-06 3:02-3:16 (Opening notes) DOS 2-06 4:55-5:20 DOS 2-06 5:42-5:50 DOS 2-06 6:27-7:08 DOS 2-11 6:37-6:44 DOS 2-13 3:40-3:56 The Arkenstone AUJ 1-01 3:03-3:21 AUJ 1-05 2:38-2:46 DOS 1-02 0:16-0:19 DOS 2-06 7:08-7:28 DOS 2-10 0:35-0:41 DOS 2-12 3:24-3:32 The Woodland Realm AUJ 1-01 3:23-3:32 DOS 1-04 1:18-1:30 DOS 1-06 7:32-7:41 (Legolas Variation) DOS 1-07 0:36-0:50 DOS 1-07 0:50-1:05 (B Section) DOS 1-07 3:25-3:44 (Dark Variation) DOS 1-07 3:44-4:06 (B Section) DOS 1-07 4:09-4:16 DOS 1-10 1:26-1:29 (Legolas Variation) DOS 1-10 1:32-1:38 (Legolas Variation) DOS 1-10 3:56-4:10 (Legolas Variation) DOS 1-10 4:10-4:16 (B Section) DOS 1-13 0:00-0:40 (Dark Variation) DOS 2-02 1:46-2:14 DOS 2-02 2:20-2:40 DOS 2-02 2:00-2:14 (B Section) DOS 2-11 4:49-4:55 (Legolas Variation) DOS 2-11 5:14-5:30 (Legolas Variation) DOS 2-11 5:41-5:46 (Legolas Variation) DOS 2-11 8:28-8:38 (Legolas Variation) DOS 2-11 8:57-9:02 (Legolas Variation) DOS 2-11 9:31-9:41 (Legolas Variation) DOS 2-15 1:46-2:36 Smaug’s A Theme AUJ 1-01 4:16-4:34 AUJ 1-01 4:57-5:11 AUJ 1-01 6:06-6:16 AUJ 2-11 5:27-5:44 DOS 1-02 1:11-1:21 DOS 1-13 2:01-2:09 DOS 2-04 1:44-1:57 DOS 2-08 0:07-0:09 (first two notes) DOS 2-08 0:33-0:38 (first two notes) DOS 2-08 0:53-1:00 DOS 2-08 1:20-1:28 DOS 2-08 1:57-2:03 DOS 2-08 2:17-2:25 DOS 2-08 2:41-2:56 DOS 2-10 0:41-0:46 DOS 2-10 1:02-1:07 DOS 2-10 3:22-3:27 DOS 2-11 0:28-0:46 DOS 2-11 1:10-1:32 DOS 2-12 0:43-0:45 DOS 2-12 1:21-1:25 DOS 2-12 4:34-4:35 DOS 2-12 5:02-5:08 DOS 2-13 0:30-0:36 DOS 2-13 1:19-1:29 DOS 2-13 2:34-2:44 DOS 2-13 4:35-4:41 Smaug’s B Theme AUJ 1-01 4:57-5:11 AUJ 1-05 1:33-1:53 DOS 1-02 1:11-1:21 DOS 1-03 0:02-0:29 DOS 2-04 1:30-1:44 DOS 2-08 0:38-1:02 DOS 2-08 2:03-2:17 DOS 2-10 0:20-0:25 DOS 2-10 0:54-1:02 DOS 2-10 3:09-3:22 DOS 2-12 0:34-1:16 DOS 2-12 2:34-2:46 DOS 2-12 4:26-4:34 DOS 2-12 4:39-4:51 DOS 2-13 2:18-2:34 DOS 2-13 3:56-4:04 DOS 2-13 4:10-4:34 DOS 2-13 4:41-5:09 Thorin’s Pride AUJ 1-01 6:29-7:00 AUJ 1-01 7:22-7:47 AUJ 1-13 0:44-0:56 AUJ 1-13 1:50-2:03 AUJ 1-13 2:14-2:19 DOS 1-06 8:37-8:56 DOS 1-07 0:00-0:11 DOS 1-07 2:21-2:43 Bilbo’s Odd Behavior Theme AUJ 1-02 1:30-1:51 AUJ 1-02 4:05-4:18 Gandalf The Grey’s Theme AUJ 1-02 3:32-3:41 AUJ 1-03 0:30-0:35 AUJ 1-03 2:13-2:22 AUJ 1-10 0:00-0:16 AUJ 1-10 0:16-0:37 (B Section) AUJ 1-12 3:54-3:59 AUJ 1-12 4:42-4:45 AUJ 1-13 1:47-1:50 DOS 1-01 2:30-2:44 DOS 2-05 1:45-1:51 Bilbo’s Fussy Theme AUJ 1-03 1:51-2:05 AUJ 1-08 0:55-1:08 AUJ 1-12 0:27-0:38 AUJ 2-14 1:01-1:19 DOS 1-09 0:22-0:31 DOS 2-01 2:59-3:17 The Dwarf Lords AUJ 1-03 3:43-4:04 (B Section) AUJ 2-16 0:00-0:37 AUJ 2-16 0:57-1:35 AUJ 2-16 1:35-1:57 (B Section) Bilbo’s Baggins/Took Theme AUJ 1-05 4:42-5:03 (Baggins) AUJ 1-05 5:03-5:22 (Took) AUJ 1-05 5:22-5:41 (B Section) AUJ 1-05 5:41-5:53 (End cap) AUJ 1-07 1:03-1:15 (B Section) AUJ 2-04 1:30-1:58 (Baggins) AUJ 2-04 1:58-2:23 (Took) AUJ 2-11 3:41-3:50 (B Section) AUJ 2-13 0:09-0:32 (Baggins) AUJ 2-13 0:32-0:52 (Took) AUJ 2-13 0:52-1:12 (B Section) AUJ 2-13 1:12-1:48 (End Cap) AUJ 2-14 0:31-0:45 (Took) The Company’s Main Theme AUJ 1-08 1:28-2:01 AUJ 1-12 2:22-2:31 AUJ 2-02 0:39-0:58 AUJ 2-05 0:00-0:21 AUJ 2-05 2:22-3:15 AUJ 2-17 0:49-1:04 The Company’s Journey Theme AUJ 1-08 2:01-2:16 AUJ 2-17 0:00-0:48 Azog’s Theme (Descending Thirds Variation) AUJ 1-09 0:57-1:03 AUJ 1-09 4:35-4:43 AUJ 2-03 0:03-0:09 AUJ 2-03 0:17-0:23 AUJ 2-03 0:53-1:01 AUJ 2-06 3:36-3:48 AUJ 2-07 1:06-1:21 AUJ 2-10 2:11-2:15 DOS 1-03 1:11-1:18 DOS 1-10 4:32-4:35 DOS 1-13 2:43-2:58 The Necromancer’s Theme (Skip-Beat or Threat of Mordor Variation?) AUJ 1-10 6:09-6:22 AUJ 1-14 2:49-2:59 AUJ 2-04 7:41-8:06 DOS 1-03 1:44-1:53 DOS 1-03 2:27-2:46 DOS 1-04 2:36-3:22 DOS 1-12 2:01-2:10 DOS 1-12 2:35-2:39 DOS 1-12 2:44-2:58 DOS 2-05 0:37-0:49 The Corruption of Mirkwood AUJ 1-10 0:37-0:50 AUJ 1-10 1:12-1:39 AUJ 1-10 2:05-2:13 AUJ 2-04 6:40-7:30 Radagast’s Theme AUJ 1-10 0:50-1:12 AUJ 1-10 3:50-4:45 AUJ 1-14 0:46-0:57 AUJ 1-15 0:05-0:13 AUJ 1-15 0:59-1:08 Mirkwood Spiders Theme AUJ 1-10 2:40-2:53 DOS 1-06 1:53-1:59 The Troll’s Theme AUJ 1-11 1:34-1:57 AUJ 1-12 0:09-0:27 AUJ 1-12 0:53-1:04 AUJ 1-12 1:12-1:35 Bilbo’s Burglar Theme AUJ 1-12 4:08-4:22 AUJ 2-08 3:48-4:00 AUJ 2-09 4:40-4:58 The Warg Riders AUJ 1-15 0:00-0:05 AUJ 1-15 0:23-0:29 (Call) AUJ 1-15 0:29-0:34 AUJ 1-15 0:42-0:52 AUJ 1-15 1:11-1:16 AUJ 1-15 1:28-1:36 AUJ 2-10 0:19-0:29 AUJ 2-10 0:32-0:44 (Call) AUJ 2-10 0:53-1:03 AUJ 2-10 1:25-1:34 AUJ 2-10 1:43-1:44 AUJ 2-10 2:19-2:29 DOS 1-02 1:06-1:11 DOS 1-02 1:16-1:26 Moonlight Reveal AUJ 2-02 2:20-2:42 DOS 2-06 4:29-4:42 Goblins AUJ 2-07 0:08-0:36 (Brass Version) AUJ 2-07 0:38-0:57 AUJ 2-09 1:18-1:51 AUJ 2-09 2:28-2:42 AUJ 2-09 4:05-4:23 The High Fells AUJ 2-17 1:19-1:1:44 DOS 1-12 0:11-0:33 INTRODUCED IN DESOLATION OF SMAUG Desolation of Smaug Opening Logos Theme DOS 1-01 0:00-0:36 - Opening Logos Beorn’s Theme DOS 1-02 0:49-1:06 DOS 1-02 1:45-2:15 DOS 1-02 2:22-2:31 DOS 1-02 2:43-3:12 (Rhythm Only) DOS 1-02 4:11-4:50 DOS 1-04 1:49-2:08 DOS 1-04 2:24-2:36 Mirkwood DOS 1-04 1:02-1:18 DOS 1-05 0:10-0:36 DOS 1-05 1:46-2:23 DOS 1-05 2:45-3:01 DOS 1-05 3:10-3:16 DOS 1-05 3:31-3:38 DOS 1-05 3:58-4:13 DOS 1-06 0:10-0:26 (First 2 notes repeated) DOS 1-06 2:18-2:28 DOS 1-07 0:11-0:15 DOS 1-07 2:07-2:20 The Nine DOS 1-04 3:04-3:38 DOS 1-12 0:54-1:10 DOS 1-12 1:39-2:06 DOS 1-12 3:04-3:33 DOS 1-13 1:14-1:37 Tauriel’s Theme DOS 1-06 7:51-8:05 DOS 1-07 4:31-4:53 DOS 1-07 4:53-5:08 (B Section) DOS 1-08 0:16-0:17 DOS 1-10 1:10-1:26 DOS 1-10 1:29-1:32 DOS 1-10 1:38-1:44 (B Section) DOS 1-10 2:15-2:28 DOS 1-10 2:56-2:59 DOS 1-10 4:35-4:39 DOS 2-02 1:31-1:35 DOS 2-09 0:17-0:24 (B Section) DOS 2-11 5:00-5:14 (B Section) DOS 2-15 2:36-3:52 DOS 2-15 3:52-4:26 (B Section) DOS 2-15 4:26-4:50 DOS 2-15 4:50-5:22 (B Section) Tauriel and Kili’s Love Theme DOS 1-08 1:26-2:04 (A Section) DOS 1-08 2:04-2:18 (B Section) DOS 1-08 2:32-2:43 (A Section) DOS 2-09 0:24-1:17 (B Section) DOS 2-09 1:17-1:56 (A Section) DOS 2-15 0:00-1:02 (B Section) DOS 2-15 1:02-1:44 (A Section) Bard’s Theme DOS 1-11 0:09-0:36 DOS 1-11 2:34-2:41 DOS 1-14 0:03-0:18 DOS 1-14 0:46-1:04 DOS 2-01 1:28-2:04 DOS 2-02 2:44-3:00 DOS 2-03 1:22-1:44 DOS 2-11 1:32-1:59 DOS 2-11 1:59-2:15 (B Section) The Politicians of Lake-town DOS 1-11 2:56-3:12 DOS 1-14 2:28-2:50 DOS 1-14 2:50-3:05 (B Section) DOS 1-14 3:05-3:31 DOS 2-01 0:28-1:19 DOS 2-01 2:27-2:38 (Retrograde) DOS 2-03 2:45-3:00 (Inverted) DOS 2-11 0:18-0:28 Lake-town DOS 1-14 1:44-2:10 DOS 2-01 0:04-0:28 DOS 2-01 2:04-2:27 DOS 2-03 0:27-0:51 Bard’s Family DOS 2-01 2:43-2:52 Girion’s Theme DOS 2-02 0:18-0:58 DOS 2-11 0:46-1:01 Dragon Sickness DOS 2-04 1:57-2:10 DOS 2-10 0:00-0:20 DOS 2-10 2:00-2:37 DOS 2-10 3:04-3:34 DOS 2-12 0:14-0:24 DOS 2-12 4:05-5:02 DOS 2-13 2:04-2:34 Thrain’s Theme DOS 2-06 0:00-0:45
  3. Me personally, I own the Standard and the WaterTower (US) version of An Unexpected Journey, and have pre-ordered the Standard and Special Edition (WaterTower US) versions of DOS from Amazon already. BTW, I've updated my spreadsheet showcasing the differences between the Standard and SE versions of both AUJ and DOS. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AjiRtgP4_o4TdHdFUExoRi1GMjlxRjl6V0hXY2JKU1E&output=html The important thing to note here is that unlike AUJ - which had some great music on the Standard OST that wans't present on the SE OST - the Standard version of DOS doesn't contain ANYTHING not found on the SE OST, apart from a short 7 second buildup that replaces a longer opening on the SE equivalent of the track (A Spell of Concealment). Vote now!
  4. I noticed that there was not a guide on what cues contained film edits/tracking so I decided to make one: "A Conspiracy Unmasked" or Analyzing the Fellowship of the Ring CR The year 2013 of the Second Age. Here follows the account of Faleel, Manic Treasure Hunter of JWFan, and the finding of the unreleased music.... Disc One Prologue: One Ring To Rule Them All The CR has the film version, The OST and Rarities have different edits of the same alternate, The TE and EE DVD menus have the TE version There is a section of the cue microedited around 2:00, (the microedited section can be found in the scene selection menu) and sections of the cue that have the choir mixed out. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9Ym9BcjZlME1Tc1k/edit?usp=sharing The Shire This is the cue for the EE scene, it seems to be complete and free of film edits, but I could be wrong. Bag End This is the EE version of the scene of Frodo under the tree, the theatrical version is unreleased, though some of it can be ripped from the EE trailer on the TE special features. The CR has the music for the EE cut of the trip through Hobbiton, the OST has an alternate of the TE version, the EE Fan Club Credits has the film version edited down, the scale documentary has one of the microedited sections Very Old Friends Seems to be complete, with no film edits or microedits. Flaming Red Hair The CR version seems to be an alternate, the EE scene selections (and the ROTK EE appendices documentaries) seem to have an alternate opening.. Farewell Dear Bilbo Complete and unedited? Keep It Secret, Keep It Safe! The first half is complete until 4:00, though the EE special features have a clean ending without Holm's voiceover. The second half however, has a statement of the History of the Ring, tracked from Parth Galen, the original composition can be heard in the music featurette on the EE DVD and in the OST track "The Shadow of the Past" The choir for the Nine leaving Minas Morgul is mixed low in the CR. there is a loop around 6:23, and a microedit at 7:04, The Lord of the Rings The Third Age game files has microedited section. A Conspiracy Unmasked This track is what inspired me to write this. The first portion is complete (minus 1 second of a clean opening.), however a small section at 0:48 was tracked over/replaced with brass notes from later in the cue, the original section can be heard in the Middle-Earth atlas on the EE features (during the transition to Rivendell) and the TE DVD menus. One of the most interesting editing decisions on the FOTR CR is during Frodo and Gandalf's discussion of the One Ring, low brass play the Threat of Mordor, which is not on the CR, I believe the reason for this is because it would not flow naturally in to the History of the Ring theme, because this History theme statement is also tracked from Parth Galen! The original piece would have featured the Footsteps of Doom End-cap, and a bit of incidental music that reminds of the Original version of the Siege of Gondor (presented on the Rarities disc), this original composition can be heard in the EE documentary on the Costumes, during the Saruman section. A statement of the Threat of Mordor is not presented on the CR, the Third Age game has this statement. Three Is Company The CR has the film version, The OST has the TE version. The LOTR symphony version has singing instead of humming. The Passing of the Elves This cue is by Plan 9 and seems to be complete Saruman The White 1:00 has low male choir in the film, but the CR has this mixed low. Choir is dialed out at 3:09 (the intended choir can be found in the OST track "The Treason of Isengard"). A Shortcut To Mushrooms A portion at 1:44 is microedited down, the OST has the unmicroedited section. A bar is microedited out at 1:59, the TTT Video Game file 02G2GAL1 has this missing bar. The Live to Projection version of this track has an extra horn line There is an unreleased alternate to this cue, which was a shorter, more subdued take, parts of it can be found in the Previz of Gandalf riding to Isengard. and in the Middle-earth atlas (as a transition to The Trollshaws), the missing bar mentioned above could theoretically be part of this early version. Early Version (Partial): https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9eWRFdHJGWHU4VWc/edit?usp=sharing Strider 0:19-0:34 is tracked from later in the cue, this section was originally silent. The string sustain as the Hobbits try to decide what to do next is artificially extended. The Nazgul https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9R1A2UGZWTzhHMU0/edit?usp=sharing Music for the Ringwraiths trashing the Hobbit's beds is dialed out, this music can be found at 2:15 on the OST track 'At The Sign of the Prancing Pony' . 1:44 to 2:14 is tracked from Saruman The White, the actual composition can be found on the Rarities track 'To Rivendell' The CR ending (replacing the Isengard material heard in the aforementioned Rarities track) at 5:09 seems to be tracked from The Sword that was Broken as recorded for the TE End of Disc One Disc Two Weathertop The CR track has muted brass counterpoint mixed out, and choir is removed at 1:22. The Caverns of Isengard 0:44 has music tracked from earlier in the track, the choir is mixed low at 1:57 on the CR (the OST can be used for this portion) The music at 3:57 is the EE version, could be looped to fit the new EE footage, the waveforms do not provide any clues. The TE version is unreleased, The Live to Projection version of this track has various changes, including the original mix of the Nature theme statement Give Up The Halfling Complete, the OST and Rarities have alternates. The Live to Projection version of this track has various changes Orthanc Seems complete.. Rivendell Complete, OST contains an alternate. The Sword That Was Broken The ending on the CR is either edited down and pitch shifted, or a new recording done for the EE, the full original ending can be recreated from the TE DVD Special Features menu music and the end of The Nazgul from the CR The Live to Projection version has various changes The Council of Elrond Assembles Aniron is microedited, a small section could be looped.. The EE DVD Appendices Menus and documentaries have music dialed out in the TE and replaced in the EE The Great Eye 1:29 sounds like it might be tracked from the original A Shortcut to Mushrooms and slowed down. 4:32 might be a loop, The OST has an alternate for 4:39. Gilraen's Memorial The CR has the EE version, The OST has the TE version edited down, the Fellowship leaving Rivendell has the choir mixed low. The Live to Projection version has additional bell tree The Pass of Caradhras 4:53 to 4:57 is a loop made to fit the EE footage. The TTT game files have a brassier version of the Evil Times statement The Live to Projection version of this track has extra or louder choir The Doors of Durin Complete, contains the EE insert, the TE version is partially available via the TTT Video Game files 02G2IGC3 and 02G2IGC4, the rest is in the EE documentaries. Moria CR includes the EE inserts, the OST has the theatrical version. The end is microedited. The symphony version has extra instruments, extra singing, and a brassier ending. Gollum Complete? Balin's Tomb There are three microedits around 4:43, 4:47, and 5:10, these can be undone using the TTT or ROTK Video Game files. The Fan Club Credits have a clean opening for 7:34 of the track. The music after the Fellowship theme statement is the film edit, the OST track the full composition. The Live to Projection version of this track has various changes End of Disc Two Disc Three Khazad-Dum There are three microedits in the track: One at 2:01 The second at 3:33 The third at 4:07 These can be undone using the OST, and the TTT Game Files. Caras Galadhon CR has the EE version, OST has an edited down version of the TE version The Mirror of Galadriel The first phrase of the Lothlorien theme was edited out in order to condense the music to start at a later point in the footage, the microedited section can be found in the Scene Selection menus It is unclear if the music for Galadriel's reveal of Nenya was a edit, or a new recording. (this section is shorter on the OST though...) https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9VU9yekstRUNxYzg/edit?usp=sharing The Fighting Uruk-Hai The opening of the cue was edited out, and can be found on the Rarities. A brass statement of the Fellowship theme was dialed out and can be found on the OST The Symphony version of the Fellowship leaving Lorien uses the Choir over the Fellowship theme from the OST version, and an extra few seconds of choir later The Symphony version has a few extra seconds of music after the Ring Theme statement. The CR has the EE film version, The Rarities and OST have the TE original version Parth Galen Choir has been mixed out at 3:25. A second statement of the Seduction of the Ring was mixed out at 4:39. The music for Boromir's death is the EE version, the TE version can be found on the OST and in the TTT game files. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9LUZmVmNqa1prTWM/edit?usp=sharing The Live to Projection version of this track has various changes The Departure of Boromir The first few seconds of the track are edited out, the missing section can be found on the OST. The music for Aragorn's fight with Lurtz is the film edit, the Game files has the full composition (with some sections looped for Game purposes) The Live to Projection version of this track has extra choir The Road Goes Ever On.. Part 1 Complete. The Fan Club credits has an alternate, the OST has a slightly edited down version of the film version composition, but without the final humming coda. May It Be Might be complete, might be microedited, I have no idea, on the OST, May It Be comes after In Dreams. The Road Goes Ever On.. Part 2 The CR has the film edit, the OST has the full composition Comparing the Lord of the Rings Symphony CD to the OST/CR DISC I MOVEMENT I The Prophecy/Prologue: One Ring to Rule Them All (Original Version) Pretty much the same content as the OST track, however 1:02 of the LOTR Symphony combines the Cor Anglais from 3:58 of the version of the Prologue on the Rarities disc and the horn from 0:58 of The Prophecy on the OST. The rest of the prologue portion of the movement uses the CR/film version. Concerning Hobbits/The Shire and Bag End The Symphony uses a slightly shortened version of the OST track. The Treason of Isengard/Three Is Company The Seduction of the Ring is sung instead of hummed. The Journey There section is omitted, instead the music segues to.... The Black Rider/A Shortcut to Mushrooms The brass at 0:40 of the OST track is not in the Symphony version. There is music not in the OST track at 9:03 of the Symphony version. At 10:22 there is an additional descending horn line, however it is mixed very low, it can be heard more easily in these videos: At 9:52: At 1:47 Instead of resolving with the last note, the music instead segues into.... The Treason of Isengard/Saruman The White The Symphony uses the OST version. END OF DISC I MOVEMENT I DISC I MOVEMENT II Many Meetings/Rivendell The Symphony uses the OST Version with an extra or more prominent humming, and segues to... The Ring Goes South/Gilraen's Memorial The Symphony uses the EE Version, and segues to... A Journey In The Dark/Moria More prominent (extra?) Khuzdul singing, and harsh instrumentation, the Live to Projection version is similar, but less harsh. The Bridge of Khazad-Dum/Balin's Tomb The Symphony uses the OST track, with 5 seconds of percussion hits (similar to the clean opening of the film cue The Second Hall). Lothlorien/Caras Galadhon Seems to be TE and EE version hybrid, contains clean ending of "Lament for Gandalf" The Great River/The Fighting Uruk-Hai EE/OST Version Hybrid, contains extra music at 21:54. Amon Hen/Parth Galen EE Version The Breaking of the Fellowship/May It Be and The Road Goes Ever On Parts 1 and 2 OST version END OF DISC I MOVEMENT II Unsolved Mysteries What does the original version of A Shortcut to Mushrooms sound like? Is the bit of the Threat of Mordor for Gimli trying to destroy the One Ring in The Great Eye tracked? How much choral material are we missing? The End?
  5. It is half a year away, Howard Shore's fifth entry in the world of Middle Earth. I figured this news finally warrants to start a discussion about the upcoming score. From Conrad Pope's Facebook page: Also, a man named Clifford J. Tasner is probably also on board:
  6. Which do you prefer? The Choral powerhouse Sammath Naur? or the emotional replacement cues? choose wisely!
  7. OK folks I've been working on a complete analysis and still am (such a long score! It’s taking forever to dissect and understand and then write about), but in the meantime I thought I'd post my complete cue list as a bit of a tease and some preliminary information. All cue titles are my own creations - I have no idea what the actual cue titles are. I purposely chose names for every cue that were different from OST titles to prevent confusion when talking about a cue vs a track, other than a few cases where that wasn't necessary. Without further ado, here is my complete cue list: CueOriginal VersionRevised Film Version1PrologueSE 01 My Dear Frodo [0:00-4:14]4:14Unreleased Insert>1:412Smaug's AttackSE 01 My Dear Frodo [4:14-end]3:493In A Hole In The Ground...SE 02 Old Friends [0:00-1:02]1:024Invitation RepliesUnreleased (0:08) / SE 02 Old Friends [1:02-1:51] (0:49) / SE 02 [3:18-3:32] (0:14)1:11Unreleased Insert>0:145No AdmittanceUnreleased (0:19) / SE 02 Old Friends [1:51-2:51] (1:00)1:19UNKNOWNOST 02 Old Friends [1:51-2:32]0:406Good MorningSE 02 Old Friends [2:51-3:07] (0:16) / Unreleased (0:20) / SE 02 [3:07-3:18] (0:11)0:377I'm GandalfSE 02 Old Friends [3:32-4:18]0:468The MarkSE 02 Old Friends [4:18-end]0:429DwalinSE 03 An Unexpected Party [0:00-0:35]0:3510BalinUnreleased0:4111VisitorsSE 03 An Unexpected Party [0:35-1:12]0:3712Fili and KiliUnreleased (0:07) / SE 03 An Unexpected Party [1:12-2:06] (0:54) / Unreleased (0:04) 1:0613ChamomileSE 03 An Unexpected Party [2:06-end]2:02Unreleased Insert>1:0414CrochetUnreleased0:4015DishesUnreleased0:2316Blunt The KnivesSE 04 Blunt The Knives1:0117ThorinSE 05 Axe or Sword? [0:00-0:29] / Unreleased (0:39)1:08DELETED SCENESE 05 Axe or Sword? [0:29-0:55]0:2618The Lonely MountainSE 05 Axe or Sword? [0:55-1:53]0:5819Thrain's KeySE 05 Axe or Sword? [1:53-3:18]1:2520BurglarSE 05 Axe or Sword? [3:18-3:52]0:3421ContractUnreleased0:3722Not Responsible For His FateUnreleased0:2323FaintUnreleased0:29DELETED SCENESE 05 Axe or Sword? [3:52-4:34]0:4224The Invention of GolfSE 05 Axe or Sword? [4:34-end]1:25Unreleased1:0225No ChoiceUnreleased0:5326Misty MountainsSE 06 Misty Mountains1:4227The Adventure BeginsSE 07 The Adventure Begins2:05Unreleased Insert>0:3428Welcome To The CompanySE 08 The World Is Ahead [0:00-1:21]1:21Unreleased1:1529Home Is Behind YouSE 08 The World Is Ahead [1:21-1:24] (0:03) / Unreleased (0:15) / SE 08 [1:24-end] (0:56)1:1430MyrtleUnreleased0:1131Throat CuttersUnreleased0:1732An Ancient EnemySE 09 An Ancient Enemy [0:00-4:33] / Unreleased (0:31) / SE 09 [4:33-end] (0:25)5:4833Five WizardsSE 10 Radagast The Brown [0:00-0:50]0:50Unreleased Insert>0:3834WitchcraftSE 10 Radagast The Brown [0:50-3:40]2:50Unreleased2:39DELETED SCENEOST 09 Radagast The Brown [3:40-end]1:1535Spiders RecedeSE 10 Radagast The Brown [4:45-end]1:5436Show MeUnreleased0:2237Gandalf LeavesUnreleased0:3238Missing PoniesSE 11 The Trollshaws [0:00-0:54]0:5439TrollsSE 11 The Trollshaws [0:54-end]1:1540MuttonSE 12 Roast Mutton [0:00-0:27]0:2741StarvingUnreleased (0:41) / SE 12 Roast Mutton [0:27-0:32] (0:05) / Unreleased (0:08) / SE 12 [0:32-1:35] (1:03)1:5742BurglarobbitSE 12 Roast Mutton [1:35-2:06]0:3143Drop HimSE 12 Roast Mutton [2:06-3:38]1:32OST 10 Roast Mutton [2:06-3:38]1:3244SeasoningUnreleased0:3445Skin Them FirstUnreleased (0:09) / SE 12 Roast Mutton [3:38-4:33] (0:55)1:0446The Dawn Will Take You AllSE 12 Roast Mutton [4:33-end]0:2447Stone TrollsUnreleased0:1848A Troll-hoardSE 13 A Troll-hoard2:3949Elven bladeSE 14 The Hill Of Sorcery [0:00-1:05]1:0550Stick InsectSE 14 The Hill Of Sorcery [1:05-1:40]0:3551Dol GuldurSE 14 The Hill Of Sorcery [1:40-3:23]1:4352QuicklySE 14 The Hill Of Sorcery [3:23-end]0:2853Gundabad WargsUnreleased1:1354Rhosgobel RabbitsUnreleased (0:01) / SE 15 Warg-scouts [0:00-2:01]2:0255Run!SE 15 Warg-scouts [2:01-2:06] (0:05) / Unreleased (1:25) / SE 15 [2:06-2:28] (0:22)1:5256Elf HuntersSE 15 Warg-scouts [2:28-end]0:3557RivendellSE 16 The Hidden Valley [0:00-1:36]1:3658Leave The Talking To MeSE 16 The Hidden Valley [1:36-end]2:1359Welcome ThorinSE 17 Moon Runes [0:00-0:58]0:5860The Valley of ImladrisUnreleased1:3361Mid Summer's EveSE 17 Moon Runes [0:58-2:42]1:4462Durin's DaySE 17 Moon Runes [2:42-end]0:57OST 15 Moon Runes [2:42-end]0:3763The DefilerSE 18 The Defiler1:14DELETED SCENESE 19 The White Council [0:00-3:32]3:3264Lady GaladrielSE 19 The White Council [3:32-4:50]1:1865A Watchful PeaceSE 19 The White Council [4:50-6:40]1:5066Morgul BladeSE 19 The White Council [7:03-end]2:3867Gandalf and GaladrielSE 20 Over Hill [0:00-2:16]2:16Unreleased Insert>1:1768The Misty MountainsSE 20 Over Hill [2:16-end]1:2869Stone GiantsSE 21 A Thunder Battle [0:00-3:31]3:3170CaveUnreleased0:2571The Mountain PassSE 21 A Thunder Battle [3:31-end] (0:21)0:21DELETED SCENESE 32 The Edge Of The Wild3:3472Bilbo PacksUnreleased0:3573HomesickUnreleased0:2674We Don't Belong AnywhereUnreleased0:4975CapturedUnreleased (0:20) / SE 22 Under Hill [0:36-1:06] (0:30)0:5076Bilbo Vs OrcUnreleased0:4477GoblintownSE 22 Under Hill [0:00-0:36] (0:36) / Unreleased (0:29)1:0578Look Who It IsUnreleased (0:40) / SE 22 Under Hill [1:06-end] (0:48)1:2879GollumUnreleased1:0880The RingUnreleased0:3681Rock and PoolUnreleased0:2082BoatUnreleased (0:08) / SE 23 Riddles In The Dark [1:18-1:43] (0:25)0:3383Elfish BladeUnreleased0:2884Is It Juicy?Unreleased0:4185Roots As Nobody SeesUnreleased0:2386A Game Of RiddlesUnreleased0:5487Baggins FirstUnreleased0:5788TeethUnreleased0:5789All Things It DevoursSE 23 Riddles In The Dark [1:43-2:15]0:3290Bagginses Is StuckUnreleased0:2191Last Question, Last ChanceUnreleased0:3192Three GuessesUnreleased0:1993Precious Is LostUnreleased (0:27) / SE 23 Riddles In The Dark [3:48-end] (1:33)1:5894Torture SongUnreleased0:2295The Goblin CleaverUnreleased0:2396Take Up ArmsUnreleased1:1097It's OursSE 24 Brass Buttons [0:00-1:18]1:18Unreleased Insert>0:0798Goblintown EscapeSE 24 Brass Buttons [1:18-3:26] (2:08) / Unreleased (0:30)2:3899The Goblin KingUnreleased0:15100Bridge FallSE 24 Brass Buttons [3:26-3:42]0:16101DaylightSE 24 Brass Buttons [3:42-4:24]0:42102The Pity of BilboSE 24 Brass Buttons [4:24-6:30]2:06Unreleased Insert>0:47103OutsideUnreleased0:25104Where's BilboSE 24 Brass Buttons [6:30-end]1:08Unreleased1:31105HomeUnreleased0:57106Up Into The TreesSE 25 Out Of The Frying-Pan [0:00-2:18] / Unreleased (0:08)2:26107It Cannot BeSE 25 Out Of The Frying-Pan [2:18-end]3:36Unreleased4:53108Eagle RescueUnreleased3:08109A Good OmenSE 26 A Good Omen5:46Unreleased4:48110End Credit IntroUnreleased0:39111Song Of The Lonely MountainOST 25 Song Of The Lonely Mountain4:10End Credits 1[TRACKED from cue 58 Leave The Talking To Me - SE 16 The Hidden Valley 1:36-2:31]End Credits 2[TRACKED from cue 102 The Pity Of Bilbo - SE 24 Brass Buttons 4:40-7:26]112Dreaming Of Bag EndSE 28 Dreaming Of Bag End1:57THEME PRESENTATIONSE 29 A Very Respectable Hobbit1:21THEME PRESENTATIONSE 30 Erebor1:19THEME PRESENTATIONSE 31 The Dwarf Lords2:01 And now here's the most interesting part: What does this all mean? Here we go! The SE OST CD runs 2:07:25, and there is an additional 2:11 of music on the Standard OST that isn't on the SE CD, for a total of 2:09:36 of released music. The film runs 2:49:32, and there is 2:19:15 of music in it. However, 3:42 of that music is the tracked music that plays in the End Credits in between Song of the Lonely Mountain and Dreaming Of Bag End, so the real total is 2:15:33. By my calculations, about 1:16:43 of music heard in the film can be found on the soundtrack CDs, while about 55:51 of it is completely unreleased! (Note: These figures don't exactly coalesce with the above numbers due to looping and tracking and microediting in the film and microediting on the OST. Its too hard to narrow some of the exact timings down because of this). Conversely, only 1:16:43 of music heard on the soundtrack CDs can be heard in the film, while the remaining 52:53 of music on the CDs is not in the film at all! So, the total amount of music we know about totals about 3:05:09! So what makes up the 55:51 of unreleased music in the film? Well, the way I see it, it breaks down into 3 different types (1) Whole cues that simply weren't included anywhere on the OST CDs at all. This totals about 24:02. (2) Sections from cues that WERE on the OST, but were microedited out of the CDs. This totals about 7:13 (3) Revised film versions of / Inserts for cues that have earlier alternate versions on the OST. This totals about 22:30. And what makes up the 52:53 of unused music from the CDs? Well, the way I see it, it breaks down into 5 different types (1) Sections of cues snipped out or dialed out of the film versions of cues. This totals about 3:34. (2) Music replaced by Inserts or Revised Cues. This totals about 27:41. (3) Cues for deleted scenes that did not make the theatrical version of the film (But will hopefully be in the EE). This totals about 11:46. (4) Theme presentations. This totals 4:41. (5) Extra Neil Finn instrumental music. This totals 1:57. (I know these figures are missing about about 6-7 minutes of music, I haven’t figured out yet what I missed) Phew! Note: All figures include the non-Shore diagetic music. This includes:Blunt The Knives (0:43 in film, 1:01 on CD)Misty Mountains (1:39 in film, 1:42 on CD)Rock and Pool [Gollum sings this] (0:20 in film, not on CD)Torture Song [The Goblin King sings this] (0:22 in film, not on CD)Song Of The Lonely Mountain (4:01 in film, 6:00 on CD)TOTAL: 7:05 in film, 8:43 on CDIf someone wants to re-post all my figures with the non-Shore stats removed, be my guest I hope you enjoyed reading this so far, and I will post my breakdown of every film cue and every OST track as soon as I can. ~~~ TL;DR Summary: There’s about 3 hours and 5 minutes of total music that we know about so far. About 1 hour and 15 minutes of it is both on the CD and in the film. About 55 minutes of it is in the film but not on CD, And about 55 minutes of it is on CD but not in the film.
  8. I'm sure many have noticed the structural similarity between the first part of Bilbo's adventure and the first part of Frodo's. But what about the music? For each of the 15 choices, vote for your favorite piece of music from the Peter Jackson movies. Ignore OST vs SE differences for AUJ pieces and OST vs CR vs Rarities differences for LOTR stuff, just vote by whatever your favorite version of each piece of music is. Have fun!
  9. Alright, I finally managed to finish this. It's my analysis of the score. It's far from perfect, and who knows how inaccurate I am, but feel free to correct me! http://music-muse.com/2012/12/28/the-hobbit-an-unexpected-journey-howard-shore/ Enjoy! - KK
  10. Now that I finally got to hear the OST - the score Shore intended for The Hobbit - I feel it was fairly disrespectful to replace much of this masterful and profound production with music pretty much copy and posted from the original LOTR soundtracks. The soundtrack is simply great and I wish it would have been preserved in the film. Then I wonder about The Phantom Menace. We all know how Williams' score was chopped up and butchered for the final act. But what if Lucas had taken a similar route Jackson took and had actually placed familiair music from ESB or ROTJ in TPM instead of Williams' newly written score...? What if Darth Maul's appearance would suddenly be put to The Imperial March, completely ignoring Williams' new material for the scene...? Would that be something like the Nazgul music supporting an important scene involving Thorin in The Hobbit? Well, at least The Hobbit got a proper official release. So which score do you feel got the most disrespect in the editing room...?
  11. The original soundtrack for Howard Shore's score to The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey will be released on Monday December 10th by Decca (Internationally) / Tuesday December 11th by WaterTower Records (USA). The STANDARD VERSION of The Hobbit OST (http://www.amctheatr...xpected-journey Nov 7: A sample of Old Friends (Extended Version) (5:01) began streaming on The Hobbit's Official website Nov 7: Samples of every track from the regular and Special Edition OST appeared on qobuz.com Standard OST: http://thefilmfatale...y-the-hobbit-an Nov 11: Amazon has begun streaming 30 second samples of every track http://www.rollingst...emiere-20121112 Nov 13: Empire Online is streaming the entire OST (Standard Version) http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=35757
  12. Link: http://store.fortytwotradingco.com/musicfromedge.html Heard great things about this score and composer, looking forward to checking it out
  13. something interesting: http://www.ascap.com...s_pp=30&start=1 not a cue list, but.. close. MOTH AT ISENGARD
  14. It surprises me there never was a Howard Shore thread...
  15. I don't know if it was already mentioned elsewhere, but I found on YouTube this short documentary on Howard Shore during the making of the Return of the King score: It's directed by Elizabeth Cotnoir (Shore's wife) and it's indeed a lovely portrait of a film composer at work.
  16. Just a quick note: anyone who think the trilogy is now "complete" should check out Doug Adams' blog. Based on Doug's reports, we may surmise that when the book is out and the dust has cleared, people will be shocked at the amount of revelatory music they've never heard. Some choice quotes: Some pieces give you a glimpse into the creative process… both compositionally and editorially… you really get a better sense of how these films were put together. Some of the alternate compositions simply stand as superb pieces of music… an LOTR 3.5, if you will. Some reveal how Shore composes. Some reveal how he conducts and records… but everything shows something. It’s not just a grab bag of slightly out-of tune alternate takes or anything of that sort. ... The day's biggest jaw-dropper of a revelation came courtesy of ROTK. In fact, I'm tempted to say that this particular find may well end up as everyone's favorite in the long run. It's a big one--a very big one. I'm trying not to think of it too much, if only in the selfish hope that I'll find something even more shocking tomorrow, so if I seem to be downplaying it, that's why. ... It’s a crucial scene, and a very lengthy piece of music that’s not yet been heard in its entirety. We had hints that it existed, but not to this extent. Admin note: Click HERE for the Press release / official announcement of the book Click HERE for the reveal of the Rarities Archive track list Click HERE for where actual discussion of the music begins
  17. Looking forward to hearing all of these in only two months now! New press release just posted on howardshore.com! "THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS SET FOR RELEASE November 6, 2007 ON REPRISE/WMG SOUNDTRACKS" 5 discs - 4 CDs and one DVD 3 hours and 50 minutes of music total! ADMIN NOTE: Click HERE to jump to the reveal of the track list Click HERE to jump to the reveal of the track TIMES Click HERE to jump to the first soundclips And click HERE to jump to when the first JWFanner received his set and actual discussion of the release begins!
  18. Hooray for Miranda Otto beerchug ADMIN NOTE: Click HERE to jump to the reveal of the cover art Click HERE to jump to the reveal of the track list Click HERE to jump to the reveal of the track TIMES And click HERE to jump to when the first JWFanner received his set and actual discussion of the release begins!
  19. Here it is: ADMIN NOTE: Click HERE to jump to the reveal of the track list Click HERE to jump to the reveal of the cover art Click HERE to jump to the reveal of the track TIMES Click HERE to jump to the first soundclips And click HERE to jump to when the first JWFanner received his set and actual discussion of the release begins!
  20. Peter Jackson comments on a movie version of The Hobbit. The short story: he doesn't expect the lawyers to work out a deal that'll let the movie be made in less than 4 years. Sounds like lawyers. :roll:
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