FattyMcButterpants 1 Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 I hope nobody can honestly say ditching the Brosnan-style was wrong.No, but ditching Brosnan himself was quite wrong.Why? He was 50, got tramlines across his face, a big flabby chest and quite a belly - which is amazing considering he played a man who was under Korean torture for 14 months.Brosnan fits into CR or QoS as much as a talking parrot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Bourne Ultimatum was a better a better filmNah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 I hope nobody can honestly say ditching the Brosnan-style was wrong.No, but ditching Brosnan himself was quite wrong.Why? He was 50, got tramlines across his face, a big flabby chest and quite a belly - which is amazing considering he played a man who was under Korean torture for 14 months.Brosnan fits into CR or QoS as much as a talking parrot.Give us a kiss, give us a kiss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FattyMcButterpants 1 Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Pardon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 I hope nobody can honestly say ditching the Brosnan-style was wrong.No, but ditching Brosnan himself was quite wrong.Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Pardon?I think we're having a little trouble with the line, madam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Pardon?ATAC to St. Cyrils. ATAC to St. Cyrils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FattyMcButterpants 1 Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 ... AH! Now I get it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 A huge error I'm wondering if anyone else notices:In the opening car chase, a policeman radios in that a grey Aston Martin is being pursued by a black Alfa Romeo. But Bond's isn't driving a grey car...! His car is black as pitch.Did that bother anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 I was too disorientated by the whole ordeal of the superfast editing to really have any response time to notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 I saw the movie yesterday. I liked it The score was fitting but i missed some blatant rendition of the james bond theme within the movie.Did you noticed in the end credits: Additional voices: Guillermo del Toro and Alfonso Cuarón Poor Aston martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 27, 2008 Author Share Posted December 27, 2008 A huge error I'm wondering if anyone else notices:In the opening car chase, a policeman radios in that a grey Aston Martin is being pursued by a black Alfa Romeo. But Bond's isn't driving a grey car...! His car is black as pitch.Did that bother anyone else?No, but I was wondering how, if Quantum of Solace does indeed pick up right after the end of Casino Royale like it seems to do, Bond changed his costume between shooting Mr. White and driving off with him in the trunk of his car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 A huge error I'm wondering if anyone else notices:In the opening car chase, a policeman radios in that a grey Aston Martin is being pursued by a black Alfa Romeo. But Bond's isn't driving a grey car...! His car is black as pitch.Did that bother anyone else?No, but I was wondering how, if Quantum of Solace does indeed pick up right after the end of Casino Royale like it seems to do, Bond changed his costume between shooting Mr. White and driving off with him in the trunk of his car.Perhaps he got dirty with Mr White's blood... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 No, but I was wondering how, if Quantum of Solace does indeed pick up right after the end of Casino Royale like it seems to do, Bond changed his costume between shooting Mr. White and driving off with him in the trunk of his car.Not to mention that if this films plays straight after Casino Royale, why there are certain product placements of 2008 cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 No, but I was wondering how, if Quantum of Solace does indeed pick up right after the end of Casino Royale like it seems to do, Bond changed his costume between shooting Mr. White and driving off with him in the trunk of his car.Not to mention that if this films plays straight after Casino Royale, why there are certain product placements of 2008 cars. I'd call it time warp... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 It could be explained of course by pretending that the final scene of Casino Royale, (Bond shooting Mr. White) take place some 2 years after the main body of the film, but then 007's anger and grief in QoS would make no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 You're worried about that when Blofeld looks different in every film in the 60's and 70's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 There is no other way than to turn a blind eye to this lapse. In 10 years from now, people won't notice this.You're worried about that when Blofeld looks different in every film in the 60's and 70's?This actually has a reasonable (sort-of) explanation - the plastic surgery.What bothers me is why in DAF we see Blofeld in good condition, while in OHMSS he got his spine crushed, and then in FYEO we see him on chair again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 There is no other way than to turn a blind eye to this lapse. In 10 years from now, people won't notice this.You're worried about that when Blofeld looks different in every film in the 60's and 70's?This actually has a reasonable (sort-of) explanation - the plastic surgery.What bothers me is why in DAF we see Blofeld in good condition, while in OHMSS he got his spine crushed, and then in FYEO we see him on chair again.I thought he was driving a car at the end of OMHSS. Either way, I think DAF on its own pretty much ignored the previous film and was more a follow-up to YOLT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 I didn't see Quantum of Solace and now it's out of theaters. This is a tragedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 The only tragedy here is the film. I may even go to the lengths to say that this is the worst Bond film ever. At least Die Another Day had some witty dialogue and good action scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 Idiot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 Considering how pooty this film is, I'm gonna go ahead and call you the idiot if you think it's a good Bond film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 The only tragedy here is the film. I may even go to the lengths to say that this is the worst Bond film ever. At least Die Another Day had some witty dialogue and good action scenes.I've seen the movie four times. It got better each time, and I liked it a lot the first time. AND I'm a lifelong Bond fan.Not only is this not the worst Bond movie, I'd call it one of the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 The only tragedy here is the film. I may even go to the lengths to say that this is the worst Bond film ever. At least Die Another Day had some witty dialogue and good action scenes.You're absolutely right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 The only tragedy here is the film. I may even go to the lengths to say that this is the worst Bond film ever. At least Die Another Day had some witty dialogue and good action scenes.You're absolutely right. You are absolutely wrong...DAD is one of the worst 007 movies and QoS is much better hands down. The only problem is the editing of the action scenes, but even with that drawback in mind, the action is much more interesting and better shot than anything in DAD, which had ridiculous script, corny and embarrasing dialogues, uninspired and forced action sequences, terrible song and weak score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 And yet QOS remains at the dirt bottom of my Bond list. DAD isn't among my favourites, but I like it more than this new pile of depressing wreckage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 Go fry a prawn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 28, 2008 Author Share Posted December 28, 2008 Die Another Day is a piece of toss.There's so much wrong with it I don't know where to begin.What's especially frustrating is that somewhere buried in the first act there's actually still some promise of this movie possibly being any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 There's so much wrong with it I don't know where to begin.It would be much easier to mention what's good in it.But then again it could end up as a blank post, so why even bother?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 28, 2008 Author Share Posted December 28, 2008 I liked the idea of Bond acting on his own, going to Cuba and using old connections as a resource to uncover the plot.That's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 The first half is actually rather good, but once they get to that ice-palace..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 28, 2008 Author Share Posted December 28, 2008 Before that even.Once Halle Berry pops up, the movie derails completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 Yes she is even worse then Denise Richards.Still, looks stunning though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 Yes she is even worse then Denise Richards.Still, looks stunning though.I am not sure whether she /her character/ is worse than Richard's, but she looks way better than her anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 MORE.... MORE PICTURES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 And yet QOS remains at the dirt bottom of my Bond list. DAD isn't among my favourites, but I like it more than this new pile of depressing wreckage.Yeah, but isn't A View to a Kill at the top of your list? I think that says it all, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 Die Another Day was the worst Bond film until Quantum Of Solace.If QOS included all the necessary Bond elements, then it would better, waaay better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 I liked the idea of Bond acting on his own, going to Cuba and using old connections as a resource to uncover the plot.and he 'disguises' as an ornithologist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 Die Another Day was the worst Bond film until Quantum Of Solace.If QOS included all the necessary Bond elements, then it would better, waaay better.Call me crazy, but when a film series reaches #22, I think it's just fine for the "formula" to be altered once in a while. Otherwise, the whole thing would have died off years ago.That said, I'd like to see #23 take a more traditional approach. I hope they don't go off the deep end into farce, though. If that happens, Daniel Craig will be looking for a new job, and that'd be a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 And yet QOS remains at the dirt bottom of my Bond list. DAD isn't among my favourites, but I like it more than this new pile of depressing wreckage.Yeah, but isn't A View to a Kill at the top of your list? I think that says it all, really.No, Octopussy is at the top. A View to a Kill is #3. And that says what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Die Another Day was the worst Bond film until Quantum Of Solace.If QOS included all the necessary Bond elements, then it would better, waaay better.Call me crazy, but when a film series reaches #22, I think it's just fine for the "formula" to be altered once in a while. Otherwise, the whole thing would have died off years ago.I'm fine with changing it up a bit, but removing it completely like QOS did? No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Quantum of Solace has guns, cars, action, babes, a theme song, a title sequence, a gunbarrel sequence, the James Bond theme, M, Felix Leiter, a villain with an evil plot... That's not enough of the formula for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FattyMcButterpants 1 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 No, gotta have M harassing Bond and Q presenting some dodgy gadgets.Deducing from the path DAD has chosen, if CR and QoS had followed it, Q would have equipped Bond with a self-exploding groin armour in Quantum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Quantum of Solace has guns, cars, action, babes, a theme song, a title sequence, a gunbarrel sequence, the James Bond theme, M, Felix Leiter, a villain with an evil plot... That's not enough of the formula for you?Any action movie can have guns, cars, action, babes, and a villain with an evil plot. The movie didn't have the James Bond theme by the way, the gun barrel sequence was at the end, Felix had two lines in the movie, there was little to no witty dialogue, the villain should have some sort of physical deformity or iconic symbol, gadgets and a Q are a necessity, there should be a Moneypenny, Bond needs to screw the Bond girl, and of course you have the terrible editing that ruined the car chase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 The JB Theme was used several times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Quantum of Solace has guns, cars, action, babes, a theme song, a title sequence, a gunbarrel sequence, the James Bond theme, M, Felix Leiter, a villain with an evil plot... That's not enough of the formula for you?Any action movie can have guns, cars, action, babes, and a villain with an evil plot. The movie didn't have the James Bond theme by the way, the gun barrel sequence was at the end, Felix had two lines in the movie, there was little to no witty dialogue, the villain should have some sort of physical deformity or iconic symbol, gadgets and a Q are a necessity, there should be a Moneypenny, Bond needs to screw the Bond girl, and of course you have the terrible editing that ruined the car chase.In other words, you judge the film not by its actual quality, but by how closely it follows established precepts. What a boon for creativity. By the way, the James Bond theme is used in the score several times. I'd tell you which tracks it's in, but I know you can't stand to listen to entire soundtracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Quantum of Solace has guns, cars, action, babes, a theme song, a title sequence, a gunbarrel sequence, the James Bond theme, M, Felix Leiter, a villain with an evil plot... That's not enough of the formula for you?Any action movie can have guns, cars, action, babes, and a villain with an evil plot. The movie didn't have the James Bond theme by the way, the gun barrel sequence was at the end, Felix had two lines in the movie, there was little to no witty dialogue, the villain should have some sort of physical deformity or iconic symbol, gadgets and a Q are a necessity, there should be a Moneypenny, Bond needs to screw the Bond girl, and of course you have the terrible editing that ruined the car chase.In other words, you judge the film not by its actual quality, but by how closely it follows established precepts. What a boon for creativity. By the way, the James Bond theme is used in the score several times. I'd tell you which tracks it's in, but I know you can't stand to listen to entire soundtracks.I am judging the film by its quality as a Bond film. Without those certain precepts, it becomes just your average action film. The Bond theme was never used in full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 I don't exactly mind that none of those elements were present in QOS - even From Russia With Love doesn't have most of them, but it's still a fun film. What I do mind is Bond portrayed as a "tormented" thug who possesses absolutely no charm or likability, and not to mention a monosyllable Bond girl with one expression and a vendetta that I don't really care for. It's not a good sign where I'm actually glad M revokes his Licence to Kill and reigns him in, just so he'd stop being a psycho horror movie slasher killer. When the movie wasn't making me feel sick with its action quick cutting, it just made me feel plain miserable in every other scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 That too. The fact that Bond is an unlikable thug that goes around killing people Jason Bourne style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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