Eric_JWFAN 11 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 check out this video I put together. http://www.vimeo.com/719335 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 No, not really... but thanks for the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 My friend, I thank you a thousand times! You have convinced me big time! A few questions:1) Please could you post a complete list of works which you have used here? (and which cues are the JW cues you link them to, I don't recognize all the 'bootleg' tracks names)2) Could you give me the exact recording information for the Walton tracks? Orchestra's, performers, labels, catalog no.s)3) How do you make such a really nice vids? Maybe I could give it a try for Prokofiev or Korngold Would be a nice idea to make these underscoring the original movie scenes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 I can only see the connection in that both composers write (wrote) great music.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 This video totally failed in it's mission. The only comparison I can find is a similar (but not the same) style of orchestration between the two composers. Other than that there's absolutely nothing to suggest an influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_JWFAN 11 Posted February 23, 2008 Author Share Posted February 23, 2008 My friend, I thank you a thousand times! You have convinced me big time! A few questions:1) Please could you post a complete list of works which you have used here? (and which cues are the JW cues you link them to, I don't recognize all the 'bootleg' tracks names)I found every excerpt from these five pieces: Partita for Orchestra, Crown Imperial March, Symphony #2, Anniversary March, and his ballet The Quest. The cue names I did myself because I wanted to give a visual of the movie it most sounds like or at least some kind of visual reference if I didn't think it sounded like a particular movie..2) Could you give me the exact recording information for the Walton tracks? Orchestra's, performers, labels, catalog no.s)I got everything from 3 collections:Sir William Walton, The Complete Works (Chandos)Ashkenazy in Moscow 2: The English Works, Vladimir Askenazy conducting London Philharmonic (MCA)Walton's Belshazzar's Feast, Leonard Bernstein conducting London Philaharmonic (RCA Victor)*edit: Oh yeah the very first thing you hear is Hook: The Arrival of Tink. I used that because it ihas the most colorful and vibrant orchestrations and there were more Hook references than anything.3) How do you make such a really nice vids? Maybe I could give it a try for Prokofiev or Korngold Would be a nice idea to make these underscoring the original movie scenes I just did it on Apple Final Cut with LiveType. I thought about incorporating the video as well, but it wouldn't allow me to rip most of the DVDs as they are copy protected.Thanks for the compliments.This video totally failed in it's mission. The only comparison I can find is a similar (but not the same) style of orchestration between the two composers. Other than that there's absolutely nothing to suggest an influence.Did you read the title at the beginning? Orchestration was the focus of the comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 Only a slight difference in orchestration.Williams is the better composer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 This video totally failed in it's mission. The only comparison I can find is a similar (but not the same) style of orchestration between the two composers. Other than that there's absolutely nothing to suggest an influence.Did you read the title at the beginning? Orchestration was the focus of the comparison.It wasn't very clear. sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi 0 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 Yes JW copies also.Eric I was wondering why you didn't play the Firebird after the opening Hook Music. perhaps that is for the Stravinsky copying video?I only have a few Walton Scores, where do you get those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 My friend, I thank you a thousand times! You have convinced me big time! A few questions:1) Please could you post a complete list of works which you have used here? (and which cues are the JW cues you link them to, I don't recognize all the 'bootleg' tracks names)I found every excerpt from these five pieces: Partita for Orchestra, Crown Imperial March, Symphony #2, Anniversary March, and his ballet The Quest. The cue names I did myself because I wanted to give a visual of the movie it most sounds like or at least some kind of visual reference if I didn't think it sounded like a particular movie..2) Could you give me the exact recording information for the Walton tracks? Orchestra's, performers, labels, catalog no.s)I got everything from 3 collections:Sir William Walton, The Complete Works (Chandos)Ashkenazy in Moscow 2: The English Works, Vladimir Askenazy conducting London Philharmonic (MCA)Walton's Belshazzar's Feast, Leonard Bernstein conducting London Philaharmonic (RCA Victor)*edit: Oh yeah the very first thing you hear is Hook: The Arrival of Tink. I used that because it ihas the most colorful and vibrant orchestrations and there were more Hook references than anything.3) How do you make such a really nice vids? Maybe I could give it a try for Prokofiev or Korngold Would be a nice idea to make these underscoring the original movie scenes I just did it on Apple Final Cut with LiveType. I thought about incorporating the video as well, but it wouldn't allow me to rip most of the DVDs as they are copy protected.Thanks for the compliments.This video totally failed in it's mission. The only comparison I can find is a similar (but not the same) style of orchestration between the two composers. Other than that there's absolutely nothing to suggest an influence.Did you read the title at the beginning? Orchestration was the focus of the comparison.The Arrival of Tink I surely recognized You did a great job in titling the excerpts. The other replyers clearly haven't understood the purpose of your vid. Orchestrationwise Walton is extremely Williams alike, judging from these excerpts. I must admit I was only familiar with some of Walton's works, which actually didn't compare that much to Williams' work.Is it possible for you to post or pm me per track from which work the tracks have been taken?Could you comment on Walton's Symphony no.1? Is it in the same style as the 2nd or different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 When I first got the score The Battle Of Britain that features Walton's rejected score I noticed his influence over Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_JWFAN 11 Posted February 25, 2008 Author Share Posted February 25, 2008 My friend, I thank you a thousand times! You have convinced me big time! A few questions:1) Please could you post a complete list of works which you have used here? (and which cues are the JW cues you link them to, I don't recognize all the 'bootleg' tracks names)I found every excerpt from these five pieces: Partita for Orchestra, Crown Imperial March, Symphony #2, Anniversary March, and his ballet The Quest. The cue names I did myself because I wanted to give a visual of the movie it most sounds like or at least some kind of visual reference if I didn't think it sounded like a particular movie..2) Could you give me the exact recording information for the Walton tracks? Orchestra's, performers, labels, catalog no.s)I got everything from 3 collections:Sir William Walton, The Complete Works (Chandos)Ashkenazy in Moscow 2: The English Works, Vladimir Askenazy conducting London Philharmonic (MCA)Walton's Belshazzar's Feast, Leonard Bernstein conducting London Philaharmonic (RCA Victor)*edit: Oh yeah the very first thing you hear is Hook: The Arrival of Tink. I used that because it ihas the most colorful and vibrant orchestrations and there were more Hook references than anything.3) How do you make such a really nice vids? Maybe I could give it a try for Prokofiev or Korngold Would be a nice idea to make these underscoring the original movie scenes I just did it on Apple Final Cut with LiveType. I thought about incorporating the video as well, but it wouldn't allow me to rip most of the DVDs as they are copy protected.Thanks for the compliments.This video totally failed in it's mission. The only comparison I can find is a similar (but not the same) style of orchestration between the two composers. Other than that there's absolutely nothing to suggest an influence.Did you read the title at the beginning? Orchestration was the focus of the comparison.Could you comment on Walton's Symphony no.1? Is it in the same style as the 2nd or different?It's not quite as much in the JW style but it's an incredible work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_JWFAN 11 Posted April 21, 2008 Author Share Posted April 21, 2008 After all this time, I just realized I misspelled Bernard Herrmann. And I thought I proofed this thing for hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Eric can you post a downloadable version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_JWFAN 11 Posted April 24, 2008 Author Share Posted April 24, 2008 Eric can you post a downloadable version?I can't post a downloadable version, sorry. But I'll keep it on Vimeo forever and ever. I originally wanted it for YouTube, but they changed their file size/duration limitations, and it's too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_JWFAN 11 Posted February 17, 2009 Author Share Posted February 17, 2009 Well I learned a lesson. Never post anything on Vimeo that you spent a lot of time on. It will just sit there forever and no one will know it's there. 17 total views since last May, woohoo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 So split it in two parts! Surely a 14 minute movie can be made into two 7 minute parts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 How DARE you suggest that Williams was inspired by anyone! Williams grew up in a bubble of creativity. He has never heard music by anyone else! Everything he writes is PURE WILLIAMS!!! _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 This video totally failed in it's mission. The only comparison I can find is a similar (but not the same) style of orchestration between the two composers. Other than that there's absolutely nothing to suggest an influence.They both have the name "William" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
222max 1 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Heretic! Take him to the Town Square. The stoning will begin in 1 half hour. But seriously. Great work. Thanks for taking the time to put this together. There are clear similarities. Whether Williams consciously took this as influence remains to be seen but I can easily confuse a lot of Walton's music for Williams. No one, no matter who they are, can claim to be without influence. Williams is no exception. I'm sure that he has and will freely state them himself. He's a man of integrity. I just wish more people (his fans) were open to the idea that he has been influenced by others and that there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 How DARE you suggest that Williams was inspired by anyone! Williams grew up in a bubble of creativity. He has never heard music by anyone else!How could he, there was no good music before Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 How DARE you suggest that Williams was inspired by anyone! Williams grew up in a bubble of creativity. He has never heard music by anyone else!How could he, there was no good music before Williams.Music history starts with John Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Well I learned a lesson. Never post anything on Vimeo that you spent a lot of time on. It will just sit there forever and no one will know it's there. 17 total views since last May, woohoo!Eric, it wa totally worth the time. You have totally convinced me and I am currently going through all Walton recordings I can possibly get. It's a cool video, really and I would love to have a downloadable version!I bought all the albums you used, however I have still a question:Which cues did you use for your tracks no. 10 and 15? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_JWFAN 11 Posted February 18, 2009 Author Share Posted February 18, 2009 Well I learned a lesson. Never post anything on Vimeo that you spent a lot of time on. It will just sit there forever and no one will know it's there. 17 total views since last May, woohoo!Eric, it wa totally worth the time. You have totally convinced me and I am currently going through all Walton recordings I can possibly get. It's a cool video, really and I would love to have a downloadable version!I bought all the albums you used, however I have still a question:Which cues did you use for your tracks no. 10 and 15?Cue #10 was taken from his Symphony #2, second movement Cue #15 is from his Partita for Orchestra, second movement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Well I learned a lesson. Never post anything on Vimeo that you spent a lot of time on. It will just sit there forever and no one will know it's there. 17 total views since last May, woohoo!Eric, it wa totally worth the time. You have totally convinced me and I am currently going through all Walton recordings I can possibly get. It's a cool video, really and I would love to have a downloadable version!I bought all the albums you used, however I have still a question:Which cues did you use for your tracks no. 10 and 15?Cue #10 was taken from his Symphony #2, second movement Cue #15 is from his Partita for Orchestra, second movementI'll check 'm on my albums I think I hear Theme from Schindler's List in the second cue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_JWFAN 11 Posted February 19, 2009 Author Share Posted February 19, 2009 Well I learned a lesson. Never post anything on Vimeo that you spent a lot of time on. It will just sit there forever and no one will know it's there. 17 total views since last May, woohoo!Eric, it wa totally worth the time. You have totally convinced me and I am currently going through all Walton recordings I can possibly get. It's a cool video, really and I would love to have a downloadable version!I bought all the albums you used, however I have still a question:Which cues did you use for your tracks no. 10 and 15?Cue #10 was taken from his Symphony #2, second movement Cue #15 is from his Partita for Orchestra, second movementI'll check 'm on my albums I think I hear Theme from Schindler's List in the second cue Really?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 How DARE you suggest that Williams was inspired by anyone! Williams grew up in a bubble of creativity. He has never heard music by anyone else!How could he, there was no good music before Williams.Yeah that Mozart guy was trash.Technically though, there is at least 1 person that has written music without influence. The guy who wrote the first piece of music ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 The guy who *wrote* the first piece of music ever probably wrote down something that had been popular for generations before him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Well I learned a lesson. Never post anything on Vimeo that you spent a lot of time on. It will just sit there forever and no one will know it's there. 17 total views since last May, woohoo!Eric, it wa totally worth the time. You have totally convinced me and I am currently going through all Walton recordings I can possibly get. It's a cool video, really and I would love to have a downloadable version!I bought all the albums you used, however I have still a question:Which cues did you use for your tracks no. 10 and 15?Cue #10 was taken from his Symphony #2, second movement Cue #15 is from his Partita for Orchestra, second movementI'll check 'm on my albums I think I hear Theme from Schindler's List in the second cue Really?? Yes Check your own video at 8'03.5''By the way, I would be very interested in a similar video with Ravel pieces! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos 0 Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 @Eric_JWFAN: Man...this is awesome! Thank you for this! I must immediatley remove the dust from my Walton Cds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_JWFAN 11 Posted February 23, 2009 Author Share Posted February 23, 2009 Well I learned a lesson. Never post anything on Vimeo that you spent a lot of time on. It will just sit there forever and no one will know it's there. 17 total views since last May, woohoo!Eric, it wa totally worth the time. You have totally convinced me and I am currently going through all Walton recordings I can possibly get. It's a cool video, really and I would love to have a downloadable version!I bought all the albums you used, however I have still a question:Which cues did you use for your tracks no. 10 and 15?Cue #10 was taken from his Symphony #2, second movement Cue #15 is from his Partita for Orchestra, second movementI'll check 'm on my albums I think I hear Theme from Schindler's List in the second cue Really?? Yes Check your own video at 8'03.5''Heh, never noticed that before. Great catch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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