Delorean90 42 Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Many DVD ripping programs will tell you the length of VOB files. So if you know how long the music is, find the file with the matching time.That's the problem--none of the times match it. The one shot I have is that the folder which claims to be empty, but has several "non-specified" audio tracks which supposedly have nothing on them. I've tried a couple, which really do have nothing; I'm probably just going to have to check each one for the sake of my sanity, but I'm fearing I may have to resort to just recording it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Well I've made the 2 edits - one is 8:05 and contains no sfx at all, the other is 9:36 and has some sfx remaining, but only in two places, and microedits have eliminated everything but occasional environmental stuff - otherwise, everything from film from the comedic Marian part to the end of the OST is in there (note: the tracked extension to Marian's theme after the main chase start isn't there - the film mix gets away with it, but I just couldn't get it to sound natural, and it wasn't Williams' intention after all).I can see why the OST is edited as it is - if you start before Iriana's theme there's little room for removing stuff smoothly, so the edits I made between the OST and pre-vis are more like pauses. Despite the slight sfx though, the full version has a rhythm and a momentum that just keeps going which the shorter one loses somewhat.The Warehouse Escape's a lot easier - just need to get a clean ending from the DVD Edit - they're not uploaded quite yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Many DVD ripping programs will tell you the length of VOB files. So if you know how long the music is, find the file with the matching time.That's the problem--none of the times match it. The one shot I have is that the folder which claims to be empty, but has several "non-specified" audio tracks which supposedly have nothing on them. I've tried a couple, which really do have nothing; I'm probably just going to have to check each one for the sake of my sanity, but I'm fearing I may have to resort to just recording it.The best program to try to get those kinds of files in particular (in reauthor mode) would be DVD Shrink. There isn't an exact site to get it, you have to google around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksparrow900 32 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I just finish my complete score of Indiana Jones and the kingdom of the crystal skull using the dvd. the only track that has a lot of sfx is the chaucilla graveyard most of the score is sfx free using the rear channels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graffin13 0 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I am looking forward to hearing the complete warehouse scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 For those who don't want the whole thing, I've finished work on three cues: Jungle Chase, Ants/Over the Cliff and Warehouse Escape. The latter two are exactly as heard on the pre-vis apart from edits to fix problems at the end - a brief segue to the DVD rear channel for 'warehouse', and an extension of Marian's theme seguing into Irina's to fix that awkward film edit in 'cliff'.And of course 2 versions of Jungle Chase, depending on tolerances for sfx (flac on request - mp3s up now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 *HEARTS* Warehouse Escape. What an inimaginably delightful action cue!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtw_forever 0 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 KOTCS is a good score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted October 17, 2008 Author Share Posted October 17, 2008 People looking for these DVD rips should not forget the private message system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desplat13 1 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 The complete "Jungle Chase" is much cleaner than I could have hoped for. Excellent work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 *HEARTS* Warehouse Escape. What an inimaginably delightful action cue!!Yeah, that's been getting some major playtime for me. I love that desperate rendition of the Raiders March as Indy climbs into the rafters, among other things. Some have (or had; I don't know if opinions have changed) criticized it as boring or mediocre, but it's actually quite good.EDIT: I've been on a ripping frenzy, going through the film, and I'm at "Legend of Akator," and I'm surprised at how good it is. It's a shorter, quieter cue, but actually fairly interesting. It's a shame it's mixed so low in the film--and in the rear channels, you do get some soft crowd noise, though not enough to make it a tosser for my own personal expanded set. "The Train Station" is another cue I've grown to like quite a bit, and I'd also like to hear this officially (it's got an edit, also, when the train starts to move). I'm looking forward to further exploring this score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Hmm...with all this new isolated music,should I go as far as saying we don't absolutely need an Expanded KotCS down the line?2 things: I cut 2 seconds of the unreleased music between Jungle Chase pt 1 and 2 (OST opening) so that the Raiders A theme leads directly into the OST track 10 opening without letting the music slow down to a crawl. Same thing after Mutt's theme later ,I cut the "clean ending" to lead into the military motif.Also ,for Warehouse Escape ,instead of letting the second sustained note at the end cut off abruptly ,I just looped the first (identical) sustained note which is much longer and let it fade slowly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 ...Also ,for Warehouse Escape ,instead of letting the second sustained note at the end cut off abruptly ,I just looped the first (identical) sustained note which is much longer and let it fade slowly.What I did for this was use a tiny bit of a DVD rip of the last note (it goes on a bit longer before the SFX happen then on the PreViz) and then I actually used the very end of the Jungle Chase Previz note over it to make it have a very nice and smooth ending. Sure it isn't exactly how Williams wrote it, but then again neither is it the way everyone else is doing it. At least this way it doesn't sound cheesy or cheaply done, and will flow perfectly within the OST now.Anyone who wants to hear my edit just... let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 hey,great idea ...My new Warehouse Escape ending :1st sustained note looped 1/2 db higher + last brass hit and fade out JungleChase PreViz.Sounds like something that could have been on the OST instead of a "fan made" add on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Well, since most people here only want Warehouse Escape and some extended form of the Jungle Chase (whether in 3 parts, one complete whole, or just slightly expanded), I have made my own single CD tracklist for those who like doing such things. I wanted it to still fit on one CD, but that meant I had to take off 2 previous tracks. The first obvious one was the "Raiders March" since it is available on many other CDs (and it surely isn't anything new for this score). I had a hard time for a while deciding what the other dropped track would be (still needed room) but I ended up getting rid of "Orellana's Cradle". To me this track always dragged on and on and didn't have much of interest or anything that wasn't heard elsewhere. It was also, personally, at my least favorite moment in the film where I thought it had REALLY stopped dead with exposition and a rather uninteresting discovery of the Crystal Skull and Orellana and his men. So it was good to have that reminder omitted.I originally was just going to cut out the 2nd half of "Journey to Akator" since it was basically like source music, but couldn't edit it right without it fading out too suddenly, or just sounding "fan edited". If anyone has any idea or has made a really, really good edit of this, let me know.Anyway, lol. Here is my personal track list. It is pretty much in film order (I know some parts need to be edited around for that to be totally true, but this is close enough), but with the concert arrangements starting off. I'll probably never listen to the OST again. The whole thing flows so much better. Especially with the new stuff. 01- Call of the Crystal02- The Adventures of Mutt03- Irina's Theme04- The Spell of the Skull05- Warehouse Escape*06- A Whirl Through Academe07- The Journey to Akator08- Oxley's Dilemma09- Grave Robbers10- Secret Doors and Scorpions11- "Return"12- The Snake Pit13- The Jungle Chase (Expanded)*14- Ants!15- Hidden Treasure and the City of Gold16- Temple Ruins and the Secret Revealed17- The Departure18- FinaleNow this is an Indiana Jones score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 I still don't get the "has to fit on one c.d. " thing in 2008 .The only remaining problem is the end of Over the Cliff. Ends kind of abruptly ,though not as bad as Warehouse Escape did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desplat13 1 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 I still don't get the "has to fit on one c.d. " thing in 2008 .Me neither. And I don't even have an ipod (yet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 I still don't get the "has to fit on one c.d. " thing in 2008 .The only remaining problem is the end of Over the Cliff. Ends kind of abruptly ,though not as bad as Warehouse Escape did.scallenger took my edit and tracked the end of the Jungle Chase pre-viz to make it a lot less sudden - and it works a treat.There's not as much we can do about the Cliff sequence. I've tried extending Marian's theme, but that and Irina's theme just aren't good friends - if only they'd left the cue unedited in the pre-viz because I'm sure JW's original version is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 I don't know, I think I'm probably too much of a purist to do all that. I'm thinking the film version is probably just an edited version of what's in the pre-viz, though, not a true alternate. And I really badly want the "Chauchilla Graveyard" cue without SFX. I did a rip, and you have to use parts of the front channel version and parts of the rear channel version (surprisingly, the former more than the latter). There's still a lot of SFX, but I've found that it's a delightful "sneaking around in a graveyard at night" cue, if that makes any sense. Some wonderful woodwind work on it...it's just a treat. Where it seemed that there might not be too much to enjoy outside of the OST tracks and the missing action material, I'm pleasantly finding that to not be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 jungle chase now has one of my favourite parts (russian march + raiders march)Great!Wharehouse escape is amazingly cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Takis 206 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 There's not as much we can do about the Cliff sequence. I've tried extending Marian's theme, but that and Irina's theme just aren't good friends - if only they'd left the cue unedited in the pre-viz because I'm sure JW's original version is great.Actually, you can hear what Williams originally wrote for this transition in the "Adventures in Post-Production" documentary, at about 10 minutes in. Basically, Williams ends Marion's theme, has a short transitional note, then goes into Irina's theme. (The music portion of the doc was switching subjects from Marion to Spalko, so that bit happened to be the ideal segue.) The film dialogue is layered over it, so any edit would include the exchange " 'Don't ever do that again!' 'Yes, dear.' " ... but it's definitely worth considering for obsessive completists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 I'm not that obsessive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Takis 206 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Some of us are. And it turns out only a quick, faint "Yes Dear" winds up in the finished edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 the automatic writting bit is the part just before the snake pit so it can be merged with that cue.Its rather ironical that the OST only had the final statement of marion's theme (and we wondered if the movie would have more), and now we have basically every single rendition of it.Shame no rendition of henry's theme has surfaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Some of us are. And it turns out only a quick, faint "Yes Dear" winds up in the finished edit. I found a way to make the edit work without that anyway - not quite what Williams intended but I think it works better than my last version.It's dangerous when I start editing stuff again - I've got yet another version of all 3 cues I worked on, mostly incorporating little tricks others have used on their own edits (the end of the Warehouse cue is much better and transitions in the Chase have been smoothed out). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 the automatic writting bit is the part just before the snake pit so it can be merged with that cue.yes ,good idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 I'm not planning to alter any of my edits further, so I'm going to put them up one final time (rapidshare though - megaupload deleted the flac I put up) in both formats.Anyone else been madly editing the last few days and want to share their work? Might be nice to hear some cues that I can't be assed to do from this score I've also made a custom album, which gets rid of about 3 of the quieter (more boring) cues and re-orders some of the material towards the beginning such as making Adventures of Mutt track 1, moving the Raiders March to the very end (after album alternates). And by an amazing coincidence, it all (just) fits on one disc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 I'm not planning to alter any of my edits further, so I'm going to put them up one final time (rapidshare though - megaupload deleted the flac I put up) in both formats.Anyone else been madly editing the last few days and want to share their work? Might be nice to hear some cues that I can't be assed to do from this score I've also made a custom album, which gets rid of about 3 of the quieter (more boring) cues and re-orders some of the material towards the beginning such as making Adventures of Mutt track 1, moving the Raiders March to the very end (after album alternates). And by an amazing coincidence, it all (just) fits on one disc why not assemble an expanded score CD, leaving out all the concert versions, and if you want to revisit the concert versions use the OST CD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted October 17, 2008 Author Share Posted October 17, 2008 I've updated the main post with a full track list and editing instructions. All that's missing are the file names - but they should be evident to anybody who's downloaded the rips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 I'm not planning to alter any of my edits further, so I'm going to put them up one final time (rapidshare though - megaupload deleted the flac I put up) in both formats.Anyone else been madly editing the last few days and want to share their work? Might be nice to hear some cues that I can't be assed to do from this score I've also made a custom album, which gets rid of about 3 of the quieter (more boring) cues and re-orders some of the material towards the beginning such as making Adventures of Mutt track 1, moving the Raiders March to the very end (after album alternates). And by an amazing coincidence, it all (just) fits on one disc why not assemble an expanded score CD, leaving out all the concert versions, and if you want to revisit the concert versions use the OST CD?The only thing you can really remove is the Raiders March because we have it elsewhere .Concert versions of themes are an integral part of Williams scores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 I'm not planning to alter any of my edits further, so I'm going to put them up one final time (rapidshare though - megaupload deleted the flac I put up) in both formats.Anyone else been madly editing the last few days and want to share their work? Might be nice to hear some cues that I can't be assed to do from this score I've also made a custom album, which gets rid of about 3 of the quieter (more boring) cues and re-orders some of the material towards the beginning such as making Adventures of Mutt track 1, moving the Raiders March to the very end (after album alternates). And by an amazing coincidence, it all (just) fits on one disc why not assemble an expanded score CD, leaving out all the concert versions, and if you want to revisit the concert versions use the OST CD?The only thing you can really remove is the Raiders March because we have it elsewhere .Concert versions of themes are an integral part of Williams scoresAs much as 'boring tracks'BTW mutts theme is more or less in Jungle chase...I dont like to leave out anything BTW. I'm just saying that it makes more sense to leave out the concert versions as they arent part of the chronological film order.I would just burn a 90 min CD, and it fits all, since its just 86 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 why not assemble an expanded score CD, leaving out all the concert versions, and if you want to revisit the concert versions use the OST CD?Because much of the score just isn't interesting to me, and I'm not trying to fit this on a CD. Really all I care about with this score is having these three additional/extended action sequences along with the best of the rest from the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted October 18, 2008 Author Share Posted October 18, 2008 I'll just throw the whole score on my iPod. I bought "Hound Dog" on iTunes Plus to round it out. Good stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 I dropped "The Raiders March", but I used the end of it in the "Finale" so that I don't have to sit through the revised ending.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 You don't like the new ending of the credits, Neil? I think it's great. The whole end credits suite is one of the few really good/great things in the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 No, I don't like it. I like the way "The Raiders March" ends. Plus, I then don't need "The Raiders March" on my KOCS album, which is one less occasion for it to remind me of a better film and score. It has no business being on that CD anyway.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 No, I don't like it. I like the way "The Raiders March" ends. Plus, I then don't need "The Raiders March" on my KOCS album, which is one less occasion for it to remind me of a better film and score. It has no business being on that CD anyway.Neilit makes more sense to leave the revised ending to remind you this is KotCS then!k.M.Who thinks the revised ending is amazing in it's own right ,but does not replace the original Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted October 18, 2008 Author Share Posted October 18, 2008 No, I don't like it. I like the way "The Raiders March" ends.I'm half and half on this one. It's great to hear the Raiders March on trombones juxtaposed with Mutt's theme (the altered Raiders March or whatever) on trumpets, but the ending is lousy. It's kind of joyless, like it's the ending of an action piece rather than the ending of the film. Or for you theorists out there, why can't the piece just end on a major triad (or a major seventh chord) like the march originally did? It's too dissonant.You don't like the new ending of the credits, Neil? I think it's great. The whole end credits suite is one of the few really good/great things in the score.Maybe, but the transition from the Raiders March to Irina's theme is awful. In fact, it's nonexistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 I think should have re-written the entire Raiders March based on the Mutt's theme variation of the revised ending Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 It's nice to hear something different too. As much as I love the RotJ version of the end of the Star Wars end credits, reprised in RotS, it would have been great if Williams had written something with a different spin on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 I considered putting the March between Spell and Warehouse Escape as a way of building up the excitement a bit, but then decided to put it right at the end, after the alternates because it's like a way of finally saying farewell to Indy in the most original and classic way possible.I quite like having repeated concert suites in some ways - it can make for a complete listening experience if you have something to end an 'album' full of alternates or cues that don't have a specific place in the structure of the album, or if it's the end of a series of films and, as I said, you want a final send-off, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Maybe, but the transition from the Raiders March to Irina's theme is awful. In fact, it's nonexistent.That comes from "The Prequel School of End Title Composition". Do a reprise of a familiar theme from an older film then awkwardly stop so you can play the new stuff.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 He could have just re-recorded it all into a properly written suite with real transitions.But this is a Lucas production, who wouldn't pay for the Star Wars main title to be re-recorded more than once.BTW - final edits up. Only one link this time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 I happen to like the end credits rendition of the Raiders theme. I can't see myself editing it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 I dropped "The Raiders March", but I used the end of it in the "Finale" so that I don't have to sit through the revised ending.NeilSo you dont mmmkaying care about movie and score, yet you take your time to edit it.And you complain about cut and pasted reused music yet you despise a new variation.I dont understand you at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 It is a bit odd to delete a brand new (and great IMO) variation of a known theme to replace it with the old one you've heard 1000 times on a score you don't care about in the first place.Williams altered his beloved classic track and KotCS is no Raiders of the Lost Ark, we get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Yeah, hate the movie all you want, but don't take it out on the innocent Raiders March.And you complain about cut and pasted reused music yet you despise a new variation.Indeed. You're even weirder than me sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 By the way: are there cues from the DVD's rear (or even better, front) channels that don't have any SFX? (Not only for Warehouse escape and Jungle chase, but also for other unreleased cues?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 I'd imagine so. I've only looked at the above cues, but the significant thing to note is that the music is very loudly mixed in the rear channels so there's a good chance that other passages can be extracted to a listenable degree, if not entirely sfx free.I had a look at the relationship quote for example, but as far as statements go, it wasn't particularly memorable for me, so I didn't bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Thanks. To everybody with the DVD, please let us know if you've salvaged anything from the wreck.I've also made a custom album, which gets rid of about 3 of the quieter (more boring) cues and re-orders some of the material towards the beginningWell, if there's going to be one cue I'll lose myself, it'll be the Mutt thing. Also, the Raiders March. It's already quoted in the soundtrack itself too much. (I wish he had followed up on his approach for the third film, as described in the liner notes...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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