King Mark 3,619 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 so what's the list of JW scores?Earthquake:Released*Sugarland Express:Unreleased**Family Plot:Unreleased except as bootleg*Jaws:Released complete scoreJaws 2:Released almost complete score*Dracula:Not Fully Released*1941:Released as DVD iso trackMonsignor:Mostly ReleasedE.T.:Released complete scoreAmazing Stories:Released (just in time)*Jurassic Park :Not Fully Released*Schindler's List :Recording Sessions leaked in studio quality sound*The Lost World :Not Fully Released* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 334 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Lukas Kendall wrote this on FSM:WOW. This was the first thing I thought about as I heard about this in the morning...like most people. Awful.What would be in there as far as film music? Not the complete recording sessions to Universal films -- those are probably in deep storage somewhere else. But this would be include the LP masters to UMG labels like Decca (Cowboy by Duning?), ABC (Gold by Elmer?), 20th Century Fox (old Malcolm Arnold titles), things like that. Whether they had copies at other locations, I don't know. Good thing Doug Fake did The Last Valley already...And why would NBC Universal have the list of UMG's inventory? They are different companies, it's Sunday, and an inferno is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,053 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Well...JawsJaws 2Sugarland Express1941Jurassic ParkE.T.Schindler's ListThe Lost Worldto name a few.or you could look on your CDs for MCA or Universal.But seriously Williams isn't the most important one I'm concerned about.EDIT: Well after reading Lukas Kendall's post I'm a little more relieved, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 334 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 You must have been posting the same time I did Mark.. read what Lukas Kendall stated on FSM in my post above yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 OK, what I'm getting from Lukas is were not talking about master tapes for film score recording sessions, but old LP masters. Better. Not great for sure, but better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,053 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Yeah, that's too bad because Intrada was starting to issue some of those. Some of those might be the only way to hear certain scores at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,619 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Like Monsignor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 What would be in there as far as film music? Not the complete recording sessions to Universal films -- those are probably in deep storage somewhere else.Uh, why wouldn't complete recording sessions be stored at Universal? They have to be stored somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 334 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 I can see recording sessions being stored at the sound studios where the scores were recorded at and not at Universal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,053 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 What would be in there as far as film music? Not the complete recording sessions to Universal films -- those are probably in deep storage somewhere else.Uh, why wouldn't complete recording sessions be stored at Universal? They have to be stored somewhere.Uh I'd listen to Lukas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Update from Lukas:Anyhow, if this is what I think it is -- what Nikki Finke said -- this would affect very specifically film or TV scores where there was an album master on a UMG owned label like ABC, MCA or Fox AND the original recording sessions (from whatever entity produced the film) happened to be lost.This is the FSM thread where all the info is being posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 334 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 I read Ford's reply he's right we shouldn't go stir crazy over what might be lost until we have hard concrete facts instead of what news reporters are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artyjeffrey 20 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Strange. The first thing I thought of when they said there was a fire there was the stage that houses the opera set from Lon Chaney's Phantom of the Opera-- one of the oldest standing sets in Hollywood's history. It just sits there, in the dark, covered in sheets of plastic...By the way, I love how they're saying that a vault was compromised, yet nothing of extreme importance was lost. If it was in a vault, that probably means it was worth keeping... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesker 0 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 I'm still not certain that everything will be o.k. Rumor has it that Williams, upon noticing the smoke from his office window, lunged out of his room and rushed to retrieve the rejected score to Color Purple. I think this one may be for real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 I'm still not certain that everything will be o.k. Rumor has it that Williams, upon noticing the smoke from his office window, lunged out of his room and rushed to retrieve the rejected score to Color Purple. I think this one may be for real.what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 I'm still not certain that everything will be o.k. Rumor has it that Williams, upon noticing the smoke from his office window, lunged out of his room and rushed to retrieve the rejected score to Color Purple. I think this one may be for real.At nearly 77 years of age, I don't think he has the energy to rush anymore. I'm still surprised he's able to wave his baton around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 334 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 I heard on the news today that non of the vaults were effected as stated by one of Universal's officials. So it seems only the copies were effected as earlier reports when the fire first broke out was true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 phheeewthank godso the master tapes can rot on their own... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odnurega1 0 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Thankfully, it appears the music masters are OK.http://laist.com/2008/06/02/music_masters_r.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Vincent 219 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Lukas Kendall wrote on the FSM Message Board:I am doing my own investigating and unfortunately I hear that UMG's press release is b.s. to save face and the stock price -- they lost a lot of priceless masters. We may never know.Lukas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 mmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Hm, I always knew his career didn't amount to much after Star Wars... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Hm, I always knew his career didn't amount to much after Star Wars...mmm huh?i dont get it EDIT: now i got it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Hopefully out of a cannon.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Hopefully out of a cannon.NeilYes it was, but I was inside a Fridge so... here i am, safe and sound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Hopefully out of a cannon.NeilInto the sun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 if you strike me down i will become more powerfull than you can possibly imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,090 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 At nearly 77 years of age, I don't think he has the energy to rush anymore. I'm still surprised he's able to wave his baton around.Now, don't get naughty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 One day, they'll have robot conductors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 One day, they'll have robot conductors.One day?Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 The future is now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 There is no fate but what we make for ourselves. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 Soon every American home will integrate their television, phone and computer. You'll be able to visit the Louvre on one channel, or watch female wrestling on another. You can do your shopping at home, or play Mortal Kombat with a friend from Vietnam. There's no end to the possibilities! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Lukas is out to fan the flames, pardon the pun, to get people riled up about the near-loss of everything, so we can get more deals and releases.A noble end...but not necessarily founded on true means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldsmithfan 6 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 I don't know if this has been brought up yet, but wouldn't it be terrible if Back to the Future was lost forever because of this fire? I mean, destroyed before ever having received a decent legitimate release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 That's the tragedy of it all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 There is no fate but what we make for ourselves. unless of course when the studio decides to milk a franchise for every last drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 I don't know if this has been brought up yet, but wouldn't it be terrible if Back to the Future was lost forever because of this fire? I mean, destroyed before ever having received a decent legitimate release.Yes, fortunately that shouldn't be a problem. As far as we know it was old LP masters that was in the vault in question, not any recording sessions masters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldsmithfan 6 Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 I don't know if this has been brought up yet, but wouldn't it be terrible if Back to the Future was lost forever because of this fire? I mean, destroyed before ever having received a decent legitimate release.Yes, fortunately that shouldn't be a problem. As far as we know it was old LP masters that was in the vault in question, not any recording sessions masters.That still sucks though. Sometimes LP masters are all that remains of a film score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 The Day the Music Burned It was the biggest disaster in the history of the music business — and almost nobody knew. This is the story of the 2008 Universal fire. Nick Parker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 It's a bummer they never rebuilt the classic King Kong scene that completely burned down. Some guy in the article questioned why the hell they had a music vault next to King Kong, which featured flamethrowers. The irony is that it was an unrelated minor incident that sparked the inferno, not Kong's controlled fires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 It’s incredible how the coverage at the time was simply a blatant PR spin to downplay the actual losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,053 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 That article is staggering and sad. Wow. MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 The biggest loss for JW fans is that the original album session masters for JAWS and ET burned up meaning they were unable to definitively remaster the sound or even see if anything else was recorded at the album sessions but then dropped for those 2 recent expanded editions. It remains to be seen if other Williams scores that had stuff recorded specifically for an Universal-owned music label (Earthquake, maybe Eiger Sanction?) burned up too or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 I suspect the E.T. Adventure music was in here. It was around this time the Botanicus music completely disappeared from the waiting line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 But the fire shouldn’t have affected what played in the waiting lines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 I suspect the tapes were damaged or misplaced in Florida and the master tapes were in Hollywood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Thankfully no Universal Studios film scoring elements were in that building but it did affect MCA Records masters and in particular re-recordings would have been compromised. That's why we got 1/4" tapes from the U.K. for Jaws, E.T., Dracula and Monsignor. Says Mike M in the FSM thread Jurassic Shark and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 17 hours ago, Jay said: Says Mike M in the FSM thread Why was it that there couldn't be found a better sounding score master for Jaws, now again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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