Wojo 2,453 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 52 minutes ago, kaseykockroach said: Any preference between the two scores? The. First. Loert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Well shucks, now it feels weird that I've been playing and loving the sequel score all this time. Does this mean I have to surrender my badge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Whatever makes you happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Once we get a gory monster movie starring a heroic lesbian and the film is directed by Joe Dante and scored by Christopher Young, then maybe I'll be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliburn 72 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 6 hours ago, kaseykockroach said: I completely forgot that I've never heard the original HTTYD until now! I've always owned the magnificent sequel score and hadn't gotten around to checking out the first one until now. Envy I wish I had that moment again. Just watched the movie again this weekend. Stand-alone the music is fantastic, but in the movie it is even better. I love the sequel just as much, it is a great evolution from the first score. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loert 2,511 Posted February 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2018 HTTYD is a flawless score. I could listen to it again and again. HTTYD2 is good but HTTYD feels so much more organic IMO. I think a large reason for the successes of these scores is the stories of the films. It is very obvious in the first score, as Hiccup and Toothless grow to bond with each other, the music evolves to reflect that, and Powell does it all so lucidly. And in the final battle sequence, when Toothless is freed from the neck brace and launches out of the water, there's an equivalent "explosion" in the soundtrack as Powell brings back the Test Drive music in full force. Only this time, when the music reaches the "jet engine" moment in Test Drive, Powell instead does one of the most epic instances of VIb-I I've heard...of course, it is no "test" drive anymore. It is just such a masterpiece in terms of coherent storytelling through the medium of music and picture! DemonStar, Holko, SteveMc and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Loert said: in the first score, as Hiccup and Toothless grow to bond with each other, the music evolves to reflect that, and Powell does it all so lucidly. And in the final battle sequence, when Toothless is freed from the neck brace and launches out of the water, there's an equivalent "explosion" in the soundtrack as Powell brings back the Test Drive music in full force. Only this time, when the music reaches the "jet engine" moment in Test Drive, Powell instead does one of the most epic instances of VIb-I I've heard...of course, it is no "test" drive anymore. It is just such a masterpiece in terms of coherent storytelling through the medium of music and picture! Quality post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo 297 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 11 hours ago, Woj said: The first is spectacular. The sequel was unnecessary. Boo this man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I'll never understand the love for that score, although your reasoning is very eloquently put. I think it's reasonably good, MAYBE among Powell's top tier. The first movie was okay. The second one was pretty bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 40 minutes ago, mstrox said: I'll never understand the love for that score, although your reasoning is very eloquently put. I think it's reasonably good, MAYBE among Powell's top tier. The first movie was okay. The second one was pretty bad. What do you consider top-tier Powell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo 297 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Besides Gigli, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Personally, I'd rate Chicken Run, Evolution, Shrek, United 93, and Horton Hears a Who over the HTTYD scores. I'd probably call HTTYD on par with, quality-wise, maybe X-men 3, the Bourne scores. Above average scores to mostly average movies. I don't intend to be rude - I hold Powell in pretty high esteem. He's among my top 10 living composers, although I don't follow every score like I do with many. HTTYD has always just been more of a shrug for me for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 He did a wonderful score in the late 90's called 'Endurance'. The final 11-minute cue is an early showcase why he's great, and it's imho alot better than his ADHS cartoon scores. KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Indeed. One of his finest moments. And proof that Powell could do wonders in a dramatic context. I always thought he should be given a Malick film or something (no, Endurance doesn't count), or any one of the latest string of prestige dramas. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 He should get Jurassic World 3! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,687 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Wow, that's a fantastic cue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 45 minutes ago, mstrox said: Personally, I'd rate Chicken Run, Evolution, Shrek, United 93, and Horton Hears a Who over the HTTYD scores. I'd probably call HTTYD on par with, quality-wise, maybe X-men 3, the Bourne scores. Above average scores to mostly average movies. That's fair enough, I like those scores too, especially Chicken Run and Horton Hears A Who. The final act in the latter is really something! 35 minutes ago, publicist said: He did a wonderful score in the late 90's called 'Endurance'. The final 11-minute cue is an early showcase why he's great, and it's imho alot better than his ADHS cartoon scores. I don't think you can really compare "The Final Race" to obvious piss-takes like this: There's room for both more meaningful scores like "Endurace" and "ADHS cartoon scores". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 19 minutes ago, kaseykockroach said: He should get Jurassic World 3! That's exactly the kind of junk he shouldn't. 2 minutes ago, Loert said: There's room for both more meaningful scores like "Endurace" and "ADHS cartoon scores". Yeah. Right now i see too much room for the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 27 minutes ago, KK said: Indeed. One of his finest moments. And proof that Powell could do wonders in a dramatic context. I always thought he should be given a Malick film or something (no, Endurance doesn't count), or any one of the latest string of prestige dramas. Well he did work on The Thin Red Line Either way, it appears only Hanan Townshend can appease Malick’s idiosycrancies these days. publicist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, publicist said: Yeah. Right now i see too much room for the latter. You mean that there aren't enough cartoon scores being written? I agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Preferably by someone else than Powell. He's kind of spent in that department and has much richer resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, publicist said: Preferably by someone else than Powell. He's kind of spent in that department and has much richer resources. I don't entirely disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 ADHS cartoon scores are meaningful to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Most of it is no good (Powell agrees), though sometimes it yields great results: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, publicist said: Most of it is no good (Powell agrees), though sometimes it yields great results: Like a Powell-ized "Jupiter" knock-off? EDIT: There's definitely some good stuff in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Yeah, in 2018 (or 2009) a composer brazenly tipping his hat to a classical work at the start of the fucking end titles is cause for celebration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I have a bias for cartoon music in general, but I can understand if others would want more than what 70% of his filmography may appear to offer. I'd argue there's more emotional variety to his work than what may meet the ear/eye, but as someone who spent nearly forty dollars to get just about 20-ish minutes of Horner and Broughton Roger Rabbit goodness, I've grasped that I'm eccentric in what my ears crave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 With Powell it's easy to spot the good and the not so good - i'd wager 'Mars needs Moms' contains his most weighty stuff in the genre, it has the drama needed to offset the avalanche of bustling, overly active animation music. There are a several nuggets in Kung Fu Panda and Ice Age, too, but really, who wants to wade through all the frenetic winks, bells and whistles to find them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 We know now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Well, you asked! It's more fun than waiting for something to happen listening to Force Awakens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I'm willing to wade through too - though with me I don't see it as "wading", but listening to and appreciating the music, which ultimately is tied to the film, so that I don't really understand the complaint of the music not being "dramatic" enough or whatever. I just think that Powell is more skillful at what he does than others (note: more skillful =/= more notes per bar, more instruments, more complex harmony and rhythm, etc...) Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I get that cartoon music on its own is an acquired taste, but shucks, it's fun if you find ones that particularly resonate with your soulful self. Having to 'wade through' the wacky stuff is to me the same kind of obstacle as having to wade through the blander underscores when waiting for action music or theme declarations in live-action film scoring where you might as well be listening to a fan blowing. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2018 John Powell makes me cry over stupid things and that's the greatest compliment you can give a composer Yavar Moradi, DemonStar, Loert and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 I'm a big fan of Powell's "cartoon music". Sure it can be frenetic (cartoon music in general is), but it's entertaining and frenetic. Plus Powell knows how to compose good themes, and his use of the orchestra is great. He's one of my favorite composers currently working for a reason. Love his HTTYD, Kung-Fu Panda, and Ice Age scores. Chicken Run is also a lot of fun, and I'm looking forward to Han Solo, should be good. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 I'm not sure why the album version of the opening cue is a little different than the film's, but either version provides immense chills so I never minded. It's just a curiosity anyhow. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 The only Powell I care about is HTTYD 1. The rest isn't worth my time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fargo 297 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 9 hours ago, Woj said: The only Powell I care about is HTTYD 1. The rest isn't worth my time. We know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Fargo, please go far. Far far away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo 297 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Guys I think HTTYD 2 is better than HTTYD 1. I will say so again tomorrow, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Banjo-Tooie is better than Banjo-Kazooie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 All sequels are better than the originals, they build em bigger and better each time. It’s the never fail equation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo 297 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Except for Wrath of Khan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 That's true, it's hard to build upon the brilliance of whatever came before Wrath of Khan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Pardon my ignorance, but any updates on Prussian Requiem getting its release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PrayodiBA 517 Posted April 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2018 ^^^ So yeah, John Powell has confirmed it. The Choral Works album, titled "Hubris", will be released on June 15 ( The Prussian Requiem pieces will be included too) So yeah, within 2 weeks,you can have two new Powell albums. Powell-fan couldnt be more happier! Incanus, crocodile, JWMike and 4 others 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Great news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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