BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Its very hard to get worse than this. 1 star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 It's a mess and it mostly sounds like poo. I give it 2,5 stars, because I have heard worse scores than that, besides I must say I really like the cello solo (expanded into Jack's theme in the second installment) and the love theme. Too bad Bruckheimer insisted on generic MV sound, because Badelt is capable of writing preety good stuff if he is asked to (vide The Time Machine and The Promise). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted February 22, 2009 Author Share Posted February 22, 2009 The Time Machine is really good! I'm stiling waiting for Klaus Badelt to do something as good again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,687 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Bruckheimer's a musical asshole. Really doesn't know a good musical opportunity when it comes does he.And yeah, I like The Time Machine for the most part - do you guys have the boot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 The Time Machine is really good! I'm stiling waiting for Klaus Badelt to do something as good again.Have you heard The Promise? I think it's one of the best scores of its year, if not the 00s.EDIT: You can listen to the theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeshopk 8 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 2.5 stars. Minimum required effectiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I'm actually surprised this got so many low ratings. Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Yes I'm so stunned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 And most of the posts complain about synths and multiple composers. You are one that looks beyond those, I know, but I assumed a lot more did as well. Who gives a poo about those? Oh no it has more than one definite composer!!! You think there's 1 director to every film? They have multiple assistant directors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I think most here have based their opinion on the actual quality of music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 You think there's 1 director to every film? They have multiple assistant directors.I don't think you have any idea what an A.D. does at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I couldn't care less about who composed it, it's still wank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Now Second Unit Directors, that's a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Now Second Unit Directors, that's a different story. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Most of the famous Desert Chase in Raiders was not directed by Spielberg, though I'm sure he storyboarded everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I think people actually like the first Pirates film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I genuinly like the first film. The other 2 had nice stuff in it, but both the story and characters are lacking focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I genuinly like the first film. The other 2 had nice stuff in it, but both the story and characters are lacking focus.I agree. The first film really blew my socks off, and since I'd never really heard an MV score before, I accepted it as something very new to my musical palate and associated it with the awesomeness of the film. Then the sequels came along and blew that all to bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 "Blow up!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I thoroughly enjoy the first two movies, the second actually being my favorite. The third one's a complete mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I thoroughly enjoy the first two movies, the second actually being my favorite. The third one's a complete mess.Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I have never seen the third film. I guess I am not missing much.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 You're not. The second film features Davy Jones, which is great, but it also completely abandons the characters introduced in the first film, instead featuring a group of annoying and unfunny people who have no sense of loyalty whatsoever. The plot lacks any coherent structure, and the supernatural elements are allowed to become a very prominent and accepted fact of life, rather than an unusual twist in an otherwise somewhat realistic pirate film.Also, Keira looks terrible. Just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I was never that enamored with her.Eat a sandwhich for god's sake!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Sandwiches wouldn't do the job with her. We're into burger and steak territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Mmmm, steak.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I dunno, she was (usually) pretty cute in the first one, though a little more meat on her bones certainly wouldn't hurt. But the strongly non-feminine costumes and unattractive hairstyles really did not flatter her in the second and, to some degree, third movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I thoroughly enjoy the first two movies, the second actually being my favorite. The third one's a complete mess.Despite the third being a mess, I still find it highly enjoyable. Not to mention the score is the best of the bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I wish the censor filter would catch words like "good," "bad," "better," "worse," "best," "worst," and so forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 I wish the censor filter would catch words like "good," "bad," "better," "worse," "best," "worst," and so forth.what would you choose to replace them with? and while you're wishing, let me add "masterpiece". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 what would you choose to replace them with? and while you're wishing, let me add "masterpiece".It was a tongue-in-cheek comment, but it was also partly serious. My point was that there are way too many conversations around here that can be distilled down to:"Such-and-such is good.""No, you're wrong. It's bad."It assumes that it's possible to objectively evaluate these things for works of art/craft, when in reality, if someone thinks a film/score/cue/composer/whatever is good, in a sense, it is, because it makes at least one person happy. That's really the only criterion for if this sort of thing is good or not. If it brings happiness to some people without giving anyone a good reason to be offended, it is good. And it's fine if some people don't like it, but to say that people who think it's "good" are wrong is just...it doesn't do anyone any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 I know what you meant thats why I said add "Masterpiece". I may use good bad worse and worst alot, but I keep masterpiece on a short leash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 I think you're missing Datameister's point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 no Indy I'm not. he's talking about words overused in their description of a film that often cause people to disagree. I wonder who uses the word masterpiece alot, hmmmm, who could it be, could it be........SATAN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 No, he's talking about how whether a score is great or not is completely subjective, and that we are dealing with opinions and not facts.You are talking about saving the highest praise for what is, in one's opinion, only the truly top notch scores so that the praise isn't illegitimized by applying it to scores that don't actually deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Indy4 is correct. What I'm saying is, I can hardly be upset with someone for thinking that the score to Transformers is a masterpiece, even though I disagree and could probably name some very specific and fairly objective factors that contribute to my opinion. But if I think Raiders is a masterpiece and someone else comes along telling me that I'm wrong and that it's a really "bad" score, that's frustrating, even if they provide lots of reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 But if I think Raiders is a masterpiece and someone else comes along telling me that I'm wrongOnly imbeciles would do so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 But if I think Raiders is a masterpiece and someone else comes along telling me that I'm wrongOnly imbeciles would do so!On the inside, I'm basically inclined to agree...for me, it seems so obvious that it's a great score! But I try to appreciate that others' interests may vary, as you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Non-sense! There is no "subjectivity" when it comes to the greatness of Raiders of the Lost Ark! Do you hear that, Vangelis? None! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,687 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 But if I think Raiders is a masterpiece and someone else comes along telling me that I'm wrongOnly imbeciles would do so!On the inside, I'm basically inclined to agree...for me, it seems so obvious that it's a great score! But I try to appreciate that others' interests may vary, as you do."obvious" - there's another word that will start a war some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 "obvious" - there's another word that will start a war some day.Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxxie 1 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 5 Stars. Great film, great score. End of chat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 It has a few fun themes. It's not the most thematically or orchestrically complex score, but from time to time, it's a fun listen.Three stars. It doesn't deserve any more, but any less would not be true of how I feel about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent Hoyt 13 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 I like the themes. The score is loud and bland and sometimes thats all I want from my music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 If scores were like breakfast cereals, not everyone can be Lucky Charms, Count Dracula, or an expensive crunchy granola sweet cereal. Somebody's gotta be the generic off-brand corn flakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 If scores were like breakfast cereals, not everyone can be Lucky Charms, Count Dracula, or an expensive crunchy granola sweet cereal. Somebody's gotta be the generic off-brand corn flakes.Some members here may have an issue with your metaphor, considering corn flakes are healthier than the other cereals you've mentioned, and many here consider the score to Pirates to be physically damaging to the human brain and body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 I don't think prolonged listening is good for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Very few things are good for you in excess. Blast "The Enterprise" out of huge speakers right next to you for a few days, and you probably would retain neither your hearing nor any enjoyment of the piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 If scores were like breakfast cereals, not everyone can be Lucky Charms, Count Dracula, or an expensive crunchy granola sweet cereal. Somebody's gotta be the generic off-brand corn flakes.True enough.Not everyone can be Wheaties, or Special K. Somebody's gotta be plain old Corn Flakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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