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What is the last Television series you watched?

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Generally, I only tend watch TV stuff just the once. 

 

That there's seemingly no 'Official Star Trek TV Shows Discussion Thread' after nearly twenty years of JWFan feels like a bit an oversight, a bit of a Trekkie faux pas. 

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3 hours ago, Quintus said:

Generally, I only tend watch TV stuff just the once. 

 

That there's seemingly no 'Official Star Trek TV Shows Discussion Thread' after nearly twenty years of JWFan feels like a bit an oversight, a bit of a Trekkie faux pas. 

 

When I spent fourteen months binge watching the 21 seasons of 90s Trek, I was not interested in using my laptop to take notes. I just wanted to watch and relax. And unfortunately, I'm burned out on Star Trek for awhile and won't be rewatching them en masse for a decade. Maybe it'd be fun with a son or daughter. 

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Watched some of Marvel's Netflix's Iron Fist. Umm... no, it's not very convincing. Watchable but bit meh.

 

Karol

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4 hours ago, Stefancos said:

Troi and Barclay are amongst the reasons I kinda stopped watching VOY at around season 6.

 

Wait, your premise is having a ship 70 years from home, and you bring in TNG characters as semi-regulars?

 

Also, did anyone at any point ever tune in to TNG just to see Deanna or Barclay? She was consistently the least interesting character throughout and he was such an awkward "parody" of the Star Trek writers of what they think their fans were it's actually now becoming offensive.

 

She was only briefly in two episodes of Voyager. Barclay wasn't in it that much either. Seems like pretty much of an overreaction on your part.

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But it goed against everything the show is supposed too long!

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You're right. The show was supposed to be about getting sexually aroused by Seven of Nine, not Deanna Troi.

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Troi was in three episodes of Voyager: Pathfinder, Life Line, and Inside Man. 

 

Barclay was in those plus three more:

"Projections" (As a Hologram) (Season 2)

"Author, Author" (terrible self-parody of the show) 

"Endgame"

 

I did not have a problem with using these TNG characters on Voyager. It allowed the writers to show their plans of ending Voyager's journey by showing Alpha Quadrant efforts to find them, that many thought they were still alive and could be reached after the Hirogen satellite network collapses. 

 

Barclay was frequently shown as being an underachiever or comic fool on Picard's Enterprise. How he didn't get drummed out of Starfleet is beyond me. So now he gets a chance to be a hero, which is nice. 

 

By Season 6 of Voyager, DS9 is over and the Dominion War is won. Miles is at Starfleet, Worf is with the Klingons, and Bashir isn't interested in such things. There's really nobody else to use from that show to feature as looking for Voyager. It's also not something that the Enterprise E crew would pursue if they were still flying with Picard. Data, Geordi, nope. How about the guy that worked with the Traveler? He was an idiot. Maddox? Same. Shelby? We wish.

 

So it's conceivable that Barclay leaves the Enterprise after the Borg temporal incursion and starts a different project. He's an established character with a popular, recognizable actor. Otherwise Voyager would waste more episodes establishing a new audience surrogate with Project Pathfinder.

 

The only other characters that would make sense to want to find Voyager would be Maquis survivors, but they're not equipped for deep space searches, and they were exterminated by the Dominion. 

 

Seriously, the moment that Barclay prevails and Admiral Paris first speaks to Janeway is one of the happiest moments in all of Star Trek history. 

 

Is it possible that Starfleet had similar Project Pathfinders for the Equinox? We never see. 

 

Troi's appearances in Voyager are useful to show that even though Barclay has a new quest and purpose, he still has the same fallacies as the old bumbling Reg we saw on The Big D. It also permits the writers to correct the mistakes of the last two years of TNG, when they cast Riker aside and had Worf pursue Troi. This relationship seems useful only to set up a conflict in Q's alternate future, because it is discarded in Generations and never mentioned again when Worf moves to DS9. Otherwise it goes nowhere and slaps the Imzadi story in the face. Voyager fixes this by reconnecting Troi with an offscreen Riker, after Insurrection establishes that they never kissed when he had a mustache, and then they wed in Alaska. 

 

It's Enterprise that truly sins by setting its finale inside the Pegasus episode with Riker everywhere. 

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About two-thirds into Iron Fist. My god, it is dull.

 

But I'm going to finish it. Cause I have to.

 

The best thing about it is the appearance of Rosario Dawson, Colleen Wing and the creepy Faramir himself David Wenham.

 

Karol

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Starting Making History just now, it wasn't great. 

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1 minute ago, Stefancos said:

Has Netflix jumped the shark? Is the Golden Age over?

Problem with all those series, without exception, is that they're all too long.

 

At least The Defenders will be only 8 episodes. And it has pretty much every single characters from all the others. AND Sigourney Weaver.

 

Karol

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56 minutes ago, crocodile said:

About two-thirds into Iron Fist. My god, it is dull.

 

But I'm going to finish it. Cause I have to.

 

 

Gun pointed to your head? 

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I can't imagine how you find the effort to burn so much energy on hours of different variations of the same plot on TV, with exceptions, I'm sure.

 

Do you plan on checking out Legion crocs?

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I liked Daredevil, but I haven't found the need to check season two. Croc is right. They are too long. That's actually a problem with serialized TV, when it's done less than brilliantly. 

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Season 2 was actually pretty good @Stefancos. I enjoyed it.

 

To answer your question, @Quintus, I generally enjoyed the previous three mini-series. They generally are so-so in terms of quality. Getting points for more down-to-earth graphic violence and darker themes. But they also often miss the mark often and preach too much. I'm looking forward to watch The Defenders later this year and some elements will be surely brought together, as with the films. So that is why I'll finish it. But it isn't really very impressive. Daredevil at least had a cool Batman on budget kind of feel, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage both played on their somewhat topical themes (in a heavy-handed fashion but still). This one doesn't really have much to explore. And the main character is just dull.

 

Karol

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Well it will be, with the upcoming seasons. Hopefully that means they cut the meandering filler.

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