Rate "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban"!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

OK who are better?

Dutch or Portugese?

Brazilian.

Not better in football, Joshua.

Just better in general!

[Josh500 1,615]

OK who are better?

Dutch or Portugese?

Brazilian.

Not better in football, Joshua.

Just better in general!

Ahhhhh OK, in that case...

Brazilian.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Millions upon millions of out of work South Americans, living below the poverty line are not better then me.

I'm sorry.

[Josh500 1,615]

Millions upon millions of out of work South Americans, living below the poverty line are not better then me.

I'm sorry.

That kind of attitude is EXACTLY why the Brazilians are better.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

There is no nobility in poverty Josh.

Don't believe Bono.

[Josh500 1,615]

There is no nobility in poverty Josh.

Never said there is.

However, unlike you, poverty is not the first thing that comes to my mind when I think of Brazilian people (and yes, I know a few).

160 million Brazilians will kick your puny 16 million asses!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

You seem to have something against the Dutch.

[Josh500 1,615]

You seem to have something against the Dutch.

Not really, I don't know enough Dutch people to have an opinion one way or another.

But if most people are like you (dissing other countries although they don't know them well)... who knows?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

You assume I don't know other countries well?

Interestingly, you are bashing me for making generalisations, and then do the exact same thing.

And no, there is no Dutchie like me. I am unique.

[Josh500 1,615]

You assume I don't know other countries well?

I said "countries," but I was talking specifically of Brazil, of which we were talking.

Interstingly, you are critisising me for making generalisations, and then do the exact same thing.

If I was making generalizations, I was only making them about you (and sorry if I was wrong). You make generalizations about 190 million people in one sentence.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I only said that The Dutch are better then Brazilians.

It's an opinion. If you can't handle that........

[Josh500 1,615]

And my opinion is just the opposite.

There's nothing to handle here.

[Samiraaa 0]

OK who are better?

Dutch or Portugese?

Hey, I can't choose between my nationalities. By the way, there's no such thing as ''a better nationality''. :S

How do I know? I'm half Portuguese.

So you're half Portuguese, half Dutch?

That's an interesting combination!

Yes I'm half Portuguese, half Dutch. ^^ And I don't think it's a weird combination... I once met a Brazilian jew with Georgian, Mexican and German roots.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Hey, I can't choose between my nationalities. By the way, there's no such thing as ''a better nationality''. :S

Tell that to anyone voting PVV!

Yes I'm half Portuguese, half Dutch. ^^ And I don't think it's a weird combination... I once met a Brazilian jew with Georgian, Mexican and German roots.

Apparently I descend from polish jews from my mothers side.

The world is mixing.

Still if I have children with my Namibian girlfriend. They will be percieved as being black. Like Obama.

Sad.....

[Josh500 1,615]

Yes I'm half Portuguese, half Dutch. ^^ And I don't think it's a weird combination... I once met a Brazilian jew with Georgian, Mexican and German roots.

I didn't say weird! In fact, I like people of mixed races. Always fascinating.

In fact, I am American/Japanese myself.

Sad.....

What's sad about that?

[Jay 37,322]

OK rewatched this movie today, and definitely one of JW's masterpieces. I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's better than PS, though. The music is just different. I suspect that's why so many are raving about it...

Some of the best cues are unreleased, but that doesn't mean the album is poorly assembled. It's more like almost EVERY cue is great, so the ones included (obviously the highlights) as well as the ones missing on the OS album, which are mostly underscore.

Among the unreleased cues, I especially liked (I didn't know all the titles):

Grave Danger: Low strings and then the threat motif o­n harpsichord again, as Mr. Weasley warns Harry about Black.

A Word Of Caution: Foreboding music as Dumbledore warns of the Dementors of Azkaban. Then a light statement of the DT (Double Trouble) theme for his words of hope.

Harry's Vow: A sympathetic, string-based cue for Harry uncovering more shocking secrets about Sirius Black. After his vow to kill Black, we have a brief

choral segment that anticipates the upcoming sequence (and might actually BE the next cue ? see below).

Confusing Confrontation: Williams music for this scene blends so well with the creaks and groans of the Shrieking Shack that it?s hard to tell where the music starts or ends (the sound design of this film is excellent)! The exact length of this cue is suspect, but it?s is mostly atmospheric ? the drama coming from the performances is so effective, it doesn?t need much help.

Meddling With Time: Continuation of the time travel material, while leading into Saving Buckbeak.

Sirius Black's Escape: One of the score's best unreleased cues. joyous, pulse-pounding excitement, and featuring the second and final appearance of Buckbeak's theme.

http://www.jwfan.com/index.php?option=com_...view&id=427

Perhaps this thread will help (sadly the formatting got messed up when we changed board software)

http://jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5203

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

What's sad about that?

That for a long time, people will still be judged on skin color.

If they are not completely white, they are black.

[Josh500 1,615]

If they are not completely white, they are black.

Again, what's sad about that?

In the USA, your children could become president!

[Samiraaa 0]

Apparently I descend from polish jews from my mothers side.

The world is mixing.

Still if I have children with my Namibian girlfriend. They will be percieved as being black. Like Obama.

Sad.....

What's sad about that? ^^''

I didn't say weird! In fact, I like people of mixed races. Always fascinating.

In fact, I am American/Japanese myself.

I thought you meant ''weird'' by saying ''interesting''. Excuse me.

I liked people of mixed races too! ^.^ Oh, so you're half Japanese! Do you speak (a little bit of) Japanese?

[Josh500 1,615]

I liked people of mixed races too! ^.^ Oh, so you're half Japanese! Do you speak (a little bit of) Japanese?

Of course! I am fluent in English, French, German, and Japanese. I speak very little Portuguese and Spanish.

[Neimoidian 14]

I liked people of mixed races too! ^.^ Oh, so you're half Japanese! Do you speak (a little bit of) Japanese?

Of course! I am fluent in English, French, German, and Japanese. I speak very little Portuguese and Spanish.

Holy c... A lot of languages. A lot of fluent ones.

[Josh500 1,615]

I liked people of mixed races too! ^.^ Oh, so you're half Japanese! Do you speak (a little bit of) Japanese?

Of course! I am fluent in English, French, German, and Japanese. I speak very little Portuguese and Spanish.

Holy c... A lot of languages. A lot of fluent ones.

Although I had ALMOST a Polish girlfriend once, I never learned how to speak Polish!

[Nick Parker 3,040]

Oh, are we discussing ethnicity now? Well, I am predominantly Italian (complete with a stereotypically thick accent), though I am also part Polish, Russian, and Yugoslavian.

[Josh500 1,615]

Oh, are we discussing ethnicity now?

Not really, just a brief digression.

Well, I am predominantly Italian (complete with a stereotypically thick accent), though I am also part Polish, Russian, and Yugoslavian.

Does that mean you speak all those languages? And when you say Yugoslavian... you mean what? Serbian? Bosnian?

[Neimoidian 14]

I liked people of mixed races too! ^.^ Oh, so you're half Japanese! Do you speak (a little bit of) Japanese?

Of course! I am fluent in English, French, German, and Japanese. I speak very little Portuguese and Spanish.

Holy c... A lot of languages. A lot of fluent ones.

Although I had ALMOST a Polish girlfriend once, I never learned how to speak Polish!

I bet it would have been more difficult than learning Japanese

[Samiraaa 0]

I liked people of mixed races too! ^.^ Oh, so you're half Japanese! Do you speak (a little bit of) Japanese?

Of course! I am fluent in English, French, German, and Japanese. I speak very little Portuguese and Spanish.

Impressive! ^__^ I'm fluent in Dutch, my English is pretty good and I speak some French, German and Portuguese. I'm studying Hebrew on my own now.

[Josh500 1,615]

I liked people of mixed races too! ^.^ Oh, so you're half Japanese! Do you speak (a little bit of) Japanese?

Of course! I am fluent in English, French, German, and Japanese. I speak very little Portuguese and Spanish.

Holy c... A lot of languages. A lot of fluent ones.

Although I had ALMOST a Polish girlfriend once, I never learned how to speak Polish!

I bet it would have been more difficult than learning Japanese

Well, I AM partly Japanese so... I grew up with it!

I liked people of mixed races too! ^.^ Oh, so you're half Japanese! Do you speak (a little bit of) Japanese?

Of course! I am fluent in English, French, German, and Japanese. I speak very little Portuguese and Spanish.

Impressive! ^__^ I'm fluent in Dutch, my English is pretty good and I speak some French, German and Portuguese. I'm studying Hebrew on my own now.

That's impressive too!

Why Hebrew? Do you have a boyfriend from Israel?

[Neimoidian 14]

I liked people of mixed races too! ^.^ Oh, so you're half Japanese! Do you speak (a little bit of) Japanese?

Of course! I am fluent in English, French, German, and Japanese. I speak very little Portuguese and Spanish.

Holy c... A lot of languages. A lot of fluent ones.

Although I had ALMOST a Polish girlfriend once, I never learned how to speak Polish!

I bet it would have been more difficult than learning Japanese

Well, I AM partly Japanese so... I grew up with it!

I grew up watching Japanese cartoons, but it didn't help

[Samiraaa 0]

I liked people of mixed races too! ^.^ Oh, so you're half Japanese! Do you speak (a little bit of) Japanese?

Of course! I am fluent in English, French, German, and Japanese. I speak very little Portuguese and Spanish.

Impressive! ^__^ I'm fluent in Dutch, my English is pretty good and I speak some French, German and Portuguese. I'm studying Hebrew on my own now.

That's impressive too!

Why Hebrew? Do you have a boyfriend from Israel?

I'm highly interested in Hebrew, Israel and judaism. I'm not jewish though. ^^

Israelis in the Netherlands are kinda rare. ;P

[Neimoidian 14]

I liked people of mixed races too! ^.^ Oh, so you're half Japanese! Do you speak (a little bit of) Japanese?

Of course! I am fluent in English, French, German, and Japanese. I speak very little Portuguese and Spanish.

Impressive! ^__^ I'm fluent in Dutch, my English is pretty good and I speak some French, German and Portuguese. I'm studying Hebrew on my own now.

That's impressive too!

Why Hebrew? Do you have a boyfriend from Israel?

I'm highly interested in Hebrew, Israel and judaism. I'm not jewish though. ^^

Israelis in the Netherlands are kinda rare. ;P

But you didn't exactly answer Josh's question, did you?

[Samiraaa 0]

I liked people of mixed races too! ^.^ Oh, so you're half Japanese! Do you speak (a little bit of) Japanese?

Of course! I am fluent in English, French, German, and Japanese. I speak very little Portuguese and Spanish.

Impressive! ^__^ I'm fluent in Dutch, my English is pretty good and I speak some French, German and Portuguese. I'm studying Hebrew on my own now.

That's impressive too!

Why Hebrew? Do you have a boyfriend from Israel?

I'm highly interested in Hebrew, Israel and judaism. I'm not jewish though. ^^

Israelis in the Netherlands are kinda rare. ;P

But you didn't exactly answer Josh's question, did you?

Damn. Well, it's complicated.

[Josh500 1,615]

OK, time to go back to the topic at hand.

Unreleased cues from Prisoner of Azkaban. Which are you favorites?

[Neimoidian 14]

OK, time to go back to the topic at hand.

Rrright...

Unreleased cues from Prisoner of Azkaban. Which are you favorites?

Sirius' Escape, original Mischief Managed, that short, emotional snippet after the axe falls down for the first time and the dramatic cue when Harry learns about Sirius' betrayal.

[John Crichton 4]

That bit cut out of the start of Mischief Managed is one of those insane Williams OST microedits that I will never, ever understand.

[Nick Parker 3,040]

None will top the microedit in "Anakin's Dark Deeds", as far as I am concerned.

"Nick", who considers that and the extended end credits to be the only flaw in the album presentation of Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith

[indy4 155]

What about the omission of certain (awesome) cues, like when Obi-Wan escapes from Utapau? Or the microedit of the film version of Anakin's Betrayal?

[John Crichton 4]

None will top the microedit in "Anakin's Dark Deeds", as far as I am concerned.

That too, and also the one in Lament cutting out the soft chorus section.

[Nick Parker 3,040]

What about the omission of certain (awesome) cues, like when Obi-Wan escapes from Utapau? Or the microedit of the film version of Anakin's Betrayal?

When I first bought the album, I was very disappointed with the omission of a great many cues, the score in the film being very fresh in my mind. However, as time passed, I learnt the obvious lesson that they could not fit the entire score on one disk. Would I like another disk of Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith? Of course I would, especially given the waste that was the Star Wars: A Musical Journey DVD. But as a single-disk release, I think the album is a very nice summation of one of my favorite John Williams scores (barring the problems I mentioned above).

[Datameister 2,037]

Coincidentally, I was just listening to the complete score. On this listening, it really struck me how poor the aesthetics of the listening experience are when you hear the whole score in chronological order...the first half is thoroughly awesome, but the second half can really drag in some parts. I can't give this score a 5, even though I'd really like to, but I'll give it a 4.5. "Double Trouble" is solid fun, the medieval elements are great, and "A Window to the Past" is one of Williams' more gorgeous themes of this decade. Also, kudos to him for the variety of styles he dabbles in without destroying the score's cohesion.

[Bowie 45]

^ It's definitely arguable that the score is cohesive. Some people say "...without destroying the score's cohesion" while some say "but it manages to destroy the score's cohesion". Forgive me for stating the contradiction in rather obvious terms lol but it just has to be said that this is such a strikingly and oft-ignored point of dispute among fans and casual listeners alike.

[Datameister 2,037]

Fair enough. I can appreciate how some people would think it doesn't add up to form any cohesive listening experience, but I'm not one of them. I just think the complete score suffers from a variety of...issues, as a standalone listening experience at least. It's got so many uber-short cues, and yet sometimes it'll go on and on in one particular vein for a long time. The peculiar structure of the story is fine in and of itself, but it doesn't help the score flow any better, too.

Oh, as for my favorite unreleased cue - well, I'm in love with what I've been calling "The Rescue of Sirius Black." Such a gorgeous cue. I also like the very first statement of DT that plays over the shot of the Hogwarts Express...and the alternate version of that cue is equally great.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

Only thing I desperately would like clean and in good quality is Peter Pettigrew's theme and the whole shrieking shack sequence.

[Datameister 2,037]

Well, Pettigrew's theme is as clean as can be at the end of the credits. As for the Shrieking Shack scene...good luck with that! I find that the rip is listenable, but there's no escaping the pervasive SFX in those few cues. A few moments can be found cleanly or semi-cleanly in the featurettes, though!

[Josh500 1,615]

If PoA the whole score is NOT cohesive, then it's only because Double Trouble is (over)used in the first half, and not at all utilized in the second. But that's not a flaw, really. I think as time passes, DT just replaces AWTTP... it signifies a change of time (and tone).

Only thing I desperately would like clean and in good quality is Peter Pettigrew's theme and the whole shrieking shack sequence.

Yes.

And there are at least a dozen minor cues that are very good, to say the least.

[BurgaFlippinMan 7]

There's that bit with Harry exploring Hogwarts at night with the map and Pettigrew running past him. I want that music

[Josh500 1,615]

I want the music that plays between "Forward to time Past" and "Saving Buckbeak" (second part).

[Datameister 2,037]

I don't..."Forward to Time Past" and that unreleased cue you mentioned have got to be the two dullest Williams cues I've heard! The idea is intriguing, and both cues have moments of greatness...I mean, the opening passages of "Forward to Time Past" are just awesome...but I'm not a fan of the rest.

[Josh500 1,615]

I don't..."Forward to Time Past" and that unreleased cue you mentioned have got to be the two dullest Williams cues I've heard! The idea is intriguing, and both cues have moments of greatness...I mean, the opening passages of "Forward to Time Past" are just awesome...but I'm not a fan of the rest.

No, I find that cue fascinating. Incredibly well scored and imagined.

And I love how, when Hermione throws the two rocks through the window, Williams accentuates both throws with the orchestra...

[Datameister 2,037]

I do enjoy that moment, yes. But the bulk of those two cues just doesn't enthrall me. The premise is ingenious, as I said, but when it comes down to actually listening to it, I get very bored through most of it. ::shrug::

[John Crichton 4]

The unreleased cue for Dumbledore's speech is my favorite statement of Double Trouble.