Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 You like Shire, Don't you? It's great that he can go from THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, to SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER, to 2010 (with a soupçon of help, from Tony Banks), to this. He really is versatile. Fancyarcher and crocodile 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James 119 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 I listened to these two from Newman and was lucky enough to find the song "Red River Valley" (a reference to a book I read about five years ago). I did not even remember the name of the song and I recognized it on the moment I set my eyes on the title of the track. The two scores are so full of life. Thomas Newman has a singular representation of this feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Superman 2 adapted by Ken Thorne: Not too shabby although relies too much on purely adapting Williams' cues for the new film but hey this was Thorne's brief for the thing so I guess you can't fault him for it. And he does a really good job at the adaptation. Superman 3 adapted by Ken Thorne: It is nice to hear Thorne coming a bit more onto his own in this one with thematic and setpiece material which alone makes it a more interesting listen to my ears. The Lost World: Jurassic Park by John Williams: Stupendous! Superman 4: Quest for Peace by Alexander Courage and John Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Agreed. Throne did a bang-up job on S:II, and got little or no kudos for it. 1 hour ago, Incanus said: Superman 4: Quest for Peace by Alexander Courage and John Williams Come, on, Inky, don't keep us in suspenders; what do you think of S:IV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 This myth persists that Superman II sounds like it was performed by a high school band with inferior recording technology. The FSM presentation debunked that assertion, but people I talk to still think that's the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 42 minutes ago, Richard said: Agreed. Throne did a bang-up job on S:II, and got little or no kudos for it. Come, on, Inky, don't keep us in suspenders; what do you think of S:IV? I am only halfway through the score right now. The new themes JW penned are a bit on the light weight side considering his track record, veering toward comedic, but again the film isn't among the most serious of its kind. Courage also handles the adaptation very well I think and gives Williams' material quite a lot of neat variations and an inventive spin, especially when the new themes are concerned. So I am quite impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Nice. It's one if his three best scores, of 1987 19 minutes ago, Sally Spectra said: This myth persists that Superman II sounds like it was performed by a high school band with inferior recording technology. The FSM presentation debunked that assertion, but people I talk to still think that's the case. That was certainly the case, if one listened to it, on an original vinyl pressing. You're right, Jerry; The Blue Box well and truly lays that myth to rest! Its a really good score, and Thorne never got the credit that he deserved. The irony is, if that confusing music credit didn't appear on the main titles, I'm sure that most people would have assumed that JW had written it, and no-one would have batted an eyelid. Ho hum. Ps, I really like HONEYMOON HOTEL. Have a happy...whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Bit of De Palma score marathon: The Fury Obsession The Casualties of War The Black Dahlia Mission: Impossible. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 1 hour ago, crocodile said: Bit of De Palma score marathon: The Fury Obsession The Casualties of War The Black Dahlia Mission: Impossible. Not a Pino Donaggio fan I take it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 13 hours ago, crocodile said: Bit of De Palma score marathon: The Fury Obsession The Casualties of War The Black Dahlia Mission: Impossible. Karol An exellent selection. The man really has an ear for great composers. And I should take another listen of The Black Dahlia. One of my favourite Isham scores and a fun love letter to the classics of the noir genre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Turbulence by Shirley Walker. For whatever reason I was in a mood to listen to this Christmas-flavoured score. It might be the wrong time of the year but it's never a bad time to appreciate this piece of badassery that is this Carol of the Bells-based action cue: Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug by Howard Shore: A terrific score and perhaps the most "Hobbit" of the three as the new music comes to its own here after the LotR referencing AUJ and before the ear-bleed inducing "more EPIC blockbuster battle music!" aesthetics of BOTFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 The Black Cauldron by Elmer Bernstein. Just got the Intrada album. Hey, this is pretty good stuff. Can't believe I've never heard this before. Karol Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted August 22, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted August 22, 2017 ...whom we loving call "Elmer"... Marian Schedenig, Disco Stu and Fancyarcher 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 13 minutes ago, Richard said: ...whom we loving call "Elmer"... I love how Skerritt played that scene where you could hear how many times he'd made that joke for the cameras that day. Great movie, Contact. Marian Schedenig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Aye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey by Howard Shore: Good stuff. Makes me miss the Abbey Road and LPO all the more though. I loved that particular sound for Middle-earth. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 House of Frankenstein by Don Davis. Hey I didn't know it was available on Spotify. It is a very strong score actually and sadly never realsed "officially" on a physical medium. Some very nice choral work in there (especially tracks 5 and 12) Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Is this Prometheus CD not "official"? http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/787/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Well...I think it is one of those promo releases. Like the The Core and other things Thaxton would put out back in the day. I've got this disc actually. And it certainly isn't an official album as such. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Gotcha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Good score in either case. I wholeheartedly recommend it. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 The Light Between Oceans (Desplat) Lots of great stuff here. Here's one of the best cues - sounds a little like A.I.! Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Memoirs of a Geisha by John Williams: I love how this score pushed Williams to somewhat new musical directions by the incorporation of the Japanese musical influences into his standard Western symphonic ensemble. The soloists add so much resonance to the music and the composer employs Yo-Yo Ma's and Itzhak Perlman's talents to the full here even when the lines they perform are not always that complex in and of themselves. The recording is also one of the most nuanced and crispest in a Williams score bringing out just the right amount of reverb and clarity to make every moment from orchestra and soloists shine. The music is often turned inward, depiction of restrained emotion and outward calm and the composer holds off from grand crescendos until the very end where the piece called Confluence absolutely soars, the music having earned the final big statement of the Sayuri/Chiyo material developed throughout the score. As Yo-Yo Ma once put it, in Williams' writing even the pauses seem to speak, so thoughtfully the notes have been chosen and it is very much so here and nowhere so obvious than in the famous cellist's heartfelt and skilfull solos. Every time I listen to this score I am reminded how fantastic it is from the delicate oboe solos to the evocations of Japanese moods through instrumentation and themes. Romão and KK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 STAR WARS. Enough said. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Richard said: STAR WARS. Enough said. E.g. the final battle is still some of the most thrilling film music I have ever heard. Nail biting suspense and superb emotional denouement. Enough said indeed. Naïve Old Fart and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 An OST like STAR WARS is, now, beyond superlatives, beyond criticism. That's why I passed no comment on it (not that that negates your post, Inky - far from it!). I just can't think of anything else to say about it. As odd as this seems, in JWfan, which is a primarily visual environment, I'd rather let the music speak for itself. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 I'm not crying you're crying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Richard said: An OST like STAR WARS is, now, beyond superlatives, beyond criticism. That's why I passed no comment on it (not that that negates your post, Inky - far from it!). I just can't think of anything else to say about it. As odd as this seems, in JWfan, which is a primarily visual environment, I'd rather let the music speak for itself. You think an OST and a guy like me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 No! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Incanus 5,713 Posted August 23, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2017 Quo Vadis by Miklós Rózsa: This man wrote some of the most lyrical things I have ever heard and is one of those geniuses whose scores seem to always stand on their own as powerful musical statements even when separated from the films for which they were written. Naïve Old Fart, Joe Brausam, Loert and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 12 hours ago, Incanus said: Memoirs of a Geisha by John Williams: I love how this score pushed Williams to somewhat new musical directions by the incorporation of the Japanese musical influences into his standard Western symphonic ensemble. The soloists add so much resonance to the music and the composer employs Yo-Yo Ma's and Itzhak Perlman's talents to the full here even when the lines they perform are not always that complex in and of themselves. The recording is also one of the most nuanced and crispest in a Williams score bringing out just the right amount of reverb and clarity to make every moment from orchestra and soloists shine. The music is often turned inward, depiction of restrained emotion and outward calm and the composer holds off from grand crescendos until the very end where the piece called Confluence absolutely soars, the music having earned the final big statement of the Sayuri/Chiyo material developed throughout the score. As Yo-Yo Ma once put it, in Williams' writing even the pauses seem to speak, so thoughtfully the notes have been chosen and it is very much so here and nowhere so obvious than in the famous cellist's heartfelt and skilfull solos. Every time I listen to this score I am reminded how fantastic it is from the delicate oboe solos to the evocations of Japanese moods through instrumentation and themes. Great post. I also absolutely love the minimalistic touches on tracks like Destiny's Path and As The Water. And Chyo's theme is one of those incredible, long-line, JW themes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 11 hours ago, Maglorfin said: Aren't you dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 Is that you got to say? What about my performance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Hook by John Williams Star Wars Episode II Attack of the Clones by John Williams Nerakhoon (The Betrayal) by Howard Shore Journey by Austin Wintory Super III by Ken Thorne (and John Williams) Jurassic Park by John Williams A Streetcar Named Desire by Alex North To Kill a Mockingbird by Elmer Bernstein Maglorfin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Hopefully, Inky, not all at the same time?! Now, just a damn minute! "(and John Williams)? The maestro reduced to a walk-on, in a score that he created? Oh, the humanity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 36 minutes ago, Richard said: Hopefully, Inky, not all at the same time?! Now, just a damn minute! "(and John Williams)? The maestro reduced to a walk-on, in a score that he created? Oh, the humanity! Over the period of last night and this morning. And Johnny provided the materials sure. Ken Thorne did the work of plastering variations of his music all over the film. And there is actually some original material in the third score. Superman IV: The Quest for Peace by the indelible one-and-only and masterful John Williams with adaptation and additional compositions by the ever great orchestrator and composer Alexander Courage Hellbound: Hellraiser II by Christopher Young Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 The Thin Red Line - Hans Zimmer The solo of whatever wind instrument this is here is searing in its delicate beauty: The tune vaguely reminds me of The Firebird in its opening few notes. I really want to see the film - I found The Tree of Life rather boring, yet as someone who's really interested in philosophy, I can't help but get excited about what I've read about Malick's films. However, I am a little nervous about the level of violence - that's the reason why I also haven't seen Saving Private Ryan yet. I did make it through Full Metal Jacket at school, but that's not to say it wasn't a stressful experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 That one isn't particularly violent (from what I remember, at least). Graphically, that is. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 The battle scenes are incredible, and visceral even, but you don't see much blood being spilt. It doesn't rely as much on gore or outright violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 There's certainly outright violence, it's a war film! Blood too, but it's not limbs are being dismembered every 3 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Fair enough. I just don't consider it very graphic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Bespin and Incanus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 2 hours ago, KK said: Fair enough. I just don't consider it very graphic. I agree, he's no Mel Gibson, but the way he handles it is still incredibly gut wrenching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 It's some of the finest battle scenes ever filmed. It really shows his prowess on a technical level, beyond just pretty pictures and words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets by Alexandre Desplat: From technical point of view excellent with wonderful orchestrations but on the whole I can't after several listens connect with this score. It has some nifty action passages, colorful quirkiness where it needs it and some musical tropes of sci-fi awe and wonder and a couple of central musical ideas peppered throughout so it has all those bases covered but it lacks something, some intangible spark, to make it truly memorable or singular in my book. The musical dramaturgy is not half bad in the first half of the album (I excised the source songs from the listening experience) but the score doesn't seem to form a fully satisfying arc from start to finish on the disc and is sorely missing a proper finale as the score just sort of peters out at the end of Final Combat. It is a bit disappointing that one of my favourite contemporary film composers didn't hit it out of the park with such a grandiose sci-fi concept. But oh well, onward and upward to new musical adventures! The Iron Giant by Michael Kamen Not Mr. Big and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Desplat failed us! He failed us all! He was not The Composer Who Was Promised after all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Just now, BloodBoal said: Desplat failed us! He failed us all! He was not The Composer Who Was Promised after all! First Giacchino and now Desplat! Oh how wrong the prophesies have been read! I am sure third time is the charm and Mica Levi will be the Chosen One! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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