Marian Schedenig 8,173 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 28 minutes ago, crocodile said: I almost always have a problem with songs based around main themes. They just seem musically redundant. The melodies already express those ideas perfectly. No need to plaster cheesy and sugary lyrics on top of it. Don't fancy going diabetic, thank you very much. But with NIMH, it seems pretty clear that the song is its original form, and it just gets used as a theme as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: But with NIMH, it seems pretty clear that the song is its original form, and it just gets used as a theme as well. It's still pretty syrupy. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Syrup is delicious in moderation. "Flying Dreams" doesn't lay it on too thick for me. Just right for a kids movie of that era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, publicist said: It's still pretty syrupy. You're on the roll today. One of my favourite film scores ever. So evocative yet so dry. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Isn't it? The Duel - Death of Hamlet is the blueprint for so much film music of the Silver Age. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 My afternoon listening I saw a video recently where Leonard Bernstein described Copland's style as something like every note being incredibly carefully considered, nothing wasted. It strikes me as true, even for his fastest most frenetic music, and it's probably part of the reason he didn't do more film scores, they often require such a voluminous outpouring of music and very quickly. It probably didn't fit well with his approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Joe Kraemer - Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation (complete) A masterpiece of modern action scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 The first great MI score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I hate the Paul Williams version of the song, but the Sally Stevens take is quite serene. Currently listening to Moana (Mark Mancina), having arranged the tracks to the film order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,173 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 41 minutes ago, publicist said: It's still pretty syrupy. A bit like The Piper Dreams, but not THAT syrupy. And much less so in the Paul Williams version. 33 minutes ago, publicist said: Isn't it? The Duel - Death of Hamlet is the blueprint for so much film music of the Silver Age. And there's The Desert Chase somewhere in there, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 4 hours ago, Knight of Ren said: Fernando Velazquez is one of my favorite composers. His Zipi & Zape scores are fantastic! And I also love Crimson Peak. Anyway, leading up to Solo I'm listening to several John Powell scores and I'm discovering really great stuff. Pan: I would say this is almost a perfect score, with a great album presentation that only would need some tracks to be deleted (apart from the songs, obviously) and would be perfect. Is a great theme-filled score with some truly beautiful moments (Origins Story or Transfiguration for example) and some action cues that are part of the very best of Powell (like Kidnapped/Dog Fight or Flying Ship Fight) Shrek: Powell collaborated in this one with Harry Gregson-Williams and it's a nice score. I love both main themes a lot, especially the apparitions of Fiona's theme in Fairytale and Transformation/The End, and the big heroic rendition of Shrek's theme in Ride The Dragon is also really great. My issue with this score is that maybe there is a bit too much of the usual mickey-mousing of this scores, which fits within the movie, but it's not really interesting out of it. BTW, what are some other great Powell scores? I haven't heard all of his scores and I'm wondering what do you think are his bests. Aside from all his other animated scores, Paycheck, and Evolution are two that I regular listen to, and can highly recommend. Both scores are a lot of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 So far, there are only four superhero scores I really dig and would ever go out of my way to revisit ever again. X-Men: The Last Stand is one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: A bit like The Piper Dreams, but not THAT syrupy. And much less so in the Paul Williams version. That raspy voice. The melody is quite enchanting, but Goldsmith and songs were not a match made in heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo 297 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, kaseykockroach said: So far, there are only four superhero scores I really dig and would ever go out of my way to revisit ever again. X-Men: The Last Stand is one of them. Yeah it was pretty alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 47 minutes ago, kaseykockroach said: I hate the Paul Williams version of the song, but the Sally Stevens take is quite serene. I've always enjoyed the character of Paul Williams' voice. His song on Daft Punk's last was the highlight of that record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I've always enjoyed the character of Paul Williams' voice. His song on Daft Punk's last was the highlight of that record. More than Moroder's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 35 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: More than Moroder's? The whole album is a modern pop classic, but yeah I responded more to “Touch,” a multi-part epic pop suite. Wonderful. Nick Parker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: The whole album is a modern pop classic, but yeah I responded more to “Touch,” a multi-part epic pop suite. Wonderful. I can agree with that. Still, it was a singular pleasure a few weeks ago when I was at the gym, and after not finding anything else I was into, having the gym's speaker music app play "Giorgio by Moroder". Watching/forcing fellow gymgoers work out to a monologue by "Giovanni Giorgio"...it was a glorious moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Mulan by Jerry Goldsmith (promo disc grandpa gave me years ago plus throwing in Reflection on the playlist as it's the only song I like) It's been forever since I really played a Goldsmith score (took a long mental break from him. I remember getting really depressed last time I heard Back in Action and stopped listening to him for awhile). I was listening to Mark Mancina's Moana and was disappointed that a lot of the score kind of dragged (mainly the action cues) and put this one on for the sake of hearing another Disney score and, man, I'm just being reminded all over again this guy was the REAL DEAL. He was the MAN, man! Whatever that means, I don't know. Still waiting for a release of this thing! This promo I've had is great, just a bit choppy, and I can't tell for the life of me if this is the full score or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Looney Tunes: Back in Action depressed you? It's meant to have the opposite effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Depressed in the aspect of hearing his final work. I miss him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Life goes on, Indy. There... is the proof! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Indeed it does. One more week until the new score by my favorite non-dead composer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Uh... who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Ahh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Probably Williams' last odd duck of a movie - the kind of project Goldsmith somehow managed to accomodate at least once a year - 'Heartbeeps' is hardly a work of great distinction but enjoyed in smaller doses, probably more entertaining than some of the biggies (the wretched movie has human robots...Williams must have had all but forgotten about it when he signed on to do 'Bicentennial Man' and when he did remember, he was off light greased lightning). I once did a playlist that shaved off 20 minutes of the more irrelevant material and what remains is a strange hybrid of Williams' then-acute romantic style (the perfect chord modulations of, i. e., 'Jaws 2's perfect end credits cue shine through), cheesy keyboard synths mostly used for playful effect or cooing theme readings, frolicking americana and a baroque re-do of the 'Imperial March' (best enjoyed in smaller doses, though the bridge of the 'concert' version is ace). It's very light and airy, once you're past the general cheesiness, and you can't really go wrong with themes the maestro wrote in the early 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Rambo: First Blood Part II by Jerry Goldsmith Proudly stands alongside its sci-fi cousin Total Recall on the top shelf in terms of all-time great action scores. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 The CRIMEBUSTER theme always reminds me of NIXON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 51 minutes ago, Richard said: The CRIMEBUSTER theme always reminds me of NIXON. And Nixon reminds me of Imperial March. So there you have it. Imperial March->Crimebuster->Nixon. What an evolution! Memoirs of a Geisha by John Williams: While I enjoy the great 60-minute album it really makes me want to listen to the complete score. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Where's Superman IV in this evolution? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 And more important, where's John Powell's score to Evolution? Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 On kaseykockroach's shelf, of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 How do you rate it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 It's fun! Mainly in that it combines two loves for me: Monster movie music, and John Powell music. Pity it'll probably be his only monster movie score, but what the hey, at least I have one to savor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 The opening track on the OST reminds me of CE3K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 I know what the initials are referring to, but every time I read CE3K, I assume it's regarding a Star Wars droid I've never heard of. Holko and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Ren 785 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Antz by Harry Gregson-Williams & John Powell: Really fun score, with some great themes. I especially love the tracks where both composer go full on referencing and they introduce lovely jazzy moments. It's a nice collaboration but it does not top... Chicken Run by Harry Gregson-Williams & John Powell: This score is fantastic. From start to finish you're engaged. The main theme (clearly referencing Bernstein's The Great Escape) appears through all the score but it never gets old because it's adapted to the different mood of the scene with such an energy and care that it stays with you long after you have finished listen to the album. Probably the best score of all of the Powell's collaborations for an animated movie. Kasey Kockroach and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo 297 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 ^ those are two albums that always go by so fast when I listen to them. so enjoyable Currently listening to Mishima by P. Glass. Found out the first track was used in a trailer I saw recently (House With Clocks in the Wall or something). Not usually a fan of Glass's work, but it's pretty good so far. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Mishima is indeed good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo 297 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Mishima is indeed good. Oh man it really is. I'm on the last two tracks now ('Runaway Horses' & 'November 25: The Last Day' were fantastic cues), and it's been a great listen. Edit: some of these tracks sound like they were directly used in The Truman Show ('November 25' for instance). I haven't seen the movie in forever though, so I'm not sure. The only track I really remember from that movie is when everyone is looking for Truman and it turns from night to day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 55 minutes ago, Fargo said: Oh man it really is. I'm on the last two tracks now ('Runaway Horses' & 'November 25: The Last Day' were fantastic cues), and it's been a great listen. Edit: some of these tracks sound like they were directly used in The Truman Show ('November 25' for instance). I haven't seen the movie in forever though, so I'm not sure. The only track I really remember from that movie is when everyone is looking for Truman and it turns from night to day. I think Runaway Horses rank among Glass' very best works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Fargo said: ^ those are two albums that always go by so fast when I listen to them. so enjoyable Currently listening to Mishima by P. Glass. Found out the first track was used in a trailer I saw recently (House With Clocks in the Wall or something). Not usually a fan of Glass's work, but it's pretty good so far. Mishima and some of the other quartet stuff is all over the place in ads. People hear Glass more than they realize. He does pretty damn well with royalties. You have to listen to him and Max Richter as the innovators of the neo neo classical minimal thing, otherwise it just sounds like more of the same "emotional profound commercial music" trash. They did it well before it became a trope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Real up-and-coming talented composer Christopher Willis has a fantastic showcase in this new silent, all-music Mickey Mouse cartoon. Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Wow! I was just watching that one! Sure as heck didn't expect to see any mention here. Currently listening to Goldsmith's The Burbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Well my daughter discovered the new line of Mickey cartoons in early 2017 and I noticed that the music was really well-done cartoon-short-comedy music so I took note of the composer's name. Then he had his breakthrough film score later in the year with The Death of Stalin, so I'm following him more closely now! Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 He sure loves his russians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 10 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: The opening track on the OST reminds me of CE3K. Has anyone heard the cheeky CE3K reference, in ID4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, Richard said: Has anyone heard the cheeky CE3K reference, in ID4? Educate us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 That means I have to dig out the fucking thing and play it and then post where I found it for all you little ingrates and frankly Mr. Shankly I've just drived home from a 11 1/2 hr shift with no fucking break and I can't be arsed and I want a shower and i want my dinner and I'll do it tomorrow alright? Jurassic Shark and Kasey Kockroach 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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