Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Justice League is pure shit. It put an end to my enthusiasm for film scores. Jerry Goldsmith - Rambo III David Arnold - Godzilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: I thought you grew out of this cartoon crap! Well, if we can lobotomize Matriss and make him love The Last Jedi, then we can work wonders with _your_ brains, Sev..... I break away from cartoons when she's on-screen, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 From cartoons to shiny plastic, I don't see the improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Second interesting Britell score this year. It's an eclectic mix of pop, reflective and dramatic styles, with a piercing trumpet cutting through a half questing/half driving americana motif characterizing Dick Cheney's rise. After the tedious 'Moonlight' he upped the game with the agreeably fluffy 'Battle of the Sexes' (and 'If Beale Street Could Talk' only a month prior), the guy seems one to watch. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Nick Parker said: If something as toned down in Elfman's color palette as this is considered too quirky and "retro" for a bunch of comic book characters, then...are the studios the real villains when it comes to the watering down of film scores? Sigh. This is not what Korngold hoped for, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Nick Parker said: I thought you grew out of this cartoon crap! Well, if we can lobotomize Matriss and make him love The Last Jedi, then we can work wonders with _your_ brains, Sev..... Also, listened to Justice League last night. It...wasn't...too bad. I actually...kind of liked what I heard... His handling of his older material is bafflingly and embarrassingly weak, and pales in the creative abandon and excitement that he exhibited circa Batman, but there were a few times where I thought, "Hey, this is Danny Elfman!" It's interesting to read all the YouTube comments that rip into this score, saying that it's way too cartoony. If something as toned down in Elfman's color palette as this is considered too quirky and "retro" for a bunch of comic book characters, then...are the studios the real villains when it comes to the watering down of film scores? I think FSM roundup summed it up perfectly: Elfman tried to create a score for everyone and ended up writing one for no one. I like some parts of it, perhaps even majority is ok. But it cannot decide what it tries to be. That is a huge problem. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 I really like the "Hero's Theme" from Elfman's Justice League. Everything else is pretty average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, crocodile said: I think FSM roundup summed it up perfectly: Elfman tried to create a score for everyone and ended up writing one for no one. I like some parts of it, perhaps even majority is ok. But it cannot decide what it tries to be. That is a huge problem. Karol Didn't think of it in those words, but I can definitely agree with that. It's too orchestral and bombastic for fans of the new DC sound, it's too drum boomy and portentous string ostinato-y for fans of more old-school superhero scores, particularly Elfman's...it's not that the music sounds incoherent or anything because of it, it just feels like a servant of multiple masters. I wonder if he went all-out on this one, it sounds like Whedon wanted him to...which is unfortunate if so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 No I don't think he did. I think he was desperately trying to meet deadline. It was a rush job after all. Sometimes he thrives on tight deadlines, sometimes he fails. He tries to be enthusiastic in this video: I actually sort of like his main Justice League theme. It's really hard to pinpoint exactly which one it is because it is always played in various styles and guises. It doesn't really have a fixed rhythm attached to it (like old Batman, Superman or even his Avengers) so it's less noticeable. But it's a nice long-lined theme actually: And I do like the ominous take on Superman fanfare. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 I just want his Violin Concerto to drop, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Just now, Steve McQueen said: I just want his Violin Concerto to drop, really. Yeah, that is where true Elfman is at these days: outside of film medium. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Using JW's Superman theme made absolutely no sense and it sounded quite bad in that only instance. If he insisted that his Batman theme should be associated with that version, he could have at least made it sound good. So much for that. The only part of JL I liked was that one track with the Wonder Woman theme, which Elfman didn't even do. He even trashed Zimmer in that interview like he's a JWFan poster while delivering a boring score that's inferior to all Batman-related scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 How do you know he didn't compose that one specific track? I know Pinar Toprak worked one this score and said she scored a scene with WW. But nobody ever said it was this scene, or did they? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 In the interview he said he used the Wonder Woman theme, and he's usually not the type to eschew credit when due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 5 hours ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said: Using JW's Superman theme made absolutely no sense and it sounded quite bad in that only instance. If he insisted that his Batman theme should be associated with that version, he could have at least made it sound good. So much for that. The only part of JL I liked was that one track with the Wonder Woman theme, which Elfman didn't even do. He even trashed Zimmer in that interview like he's a JWFan poster while delivering a boring score that's inferior to all Batman-related scores. Listening to parts of that score, it seems like something that any no name would have done for a modern superhero flick. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I wouldn't go that far. But yeah, it's a letdown no matter how you look at it. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanobard 71 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I hated the score to Justice League (not to mention the movie). The way Elfman just casually brushed off nearly all the previously established DCEU themes (like Man of Steel) was unforgivable, and using John Williams' Superman theme was just plain wrong (despite how amazing that piece of music is, it just doesn't fit with Cavill's Superman at all). Using Wonder Woman's theme was a good move, but it was purely orchestral in Justice League instead of the orchestra/electronics split it had in BvS and Wonder Woman, and so (in my mind anyway) it sounded far inferior to previous iterations. The main Justice League theme was boring and not memorable at all (not to mention incredibly short, the "theme" track was only forty five seconds long), and to top it all off Elfman used bits of the Avengers: Age Of Ultron score at points which just killed all immersion for me. The only saving grace was his use of the Batman theme (one could argue it doesn't belong here either, but damn did it sound good in the movie) though it wasn't in the score for nearly long enough. I remember being so disappointed at the time. Danny Elfman is held in such high regard, and that combined with the fact that it was a score for the friggin' JUSTICE LEAGUE meant that it should've been fantastic. It should have had an Avengers-level of amazing main theme at the very least. This post hasn't opened up old wounds at all. Goddammit Danny you had one job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted December 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2018 How dare you not compose a great score for an ugly awful movie, Danny you monster! Holko, Jurassic Shark and Zanobard 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 A bad movie doesn't mean it's not a good opportunity to compose a fantastic film score. Guess who has proven that countless times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: A bad movie doesn't mean it's not a good opportunity to compose a fantastic film score. Guess who has proven that countless times. Richard Band? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Zanobard said: and to top it all off Elfman used bits of the Avengers: Age Of Ultron score at points which just killed all immersion for me. . Where? I know both scores very well and I can't hear it. Aside from the fact they share stylistic choices of the composer. Which is obvious. Damnation Alley Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanobard 71 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, crocodile said: Where? I know both scores very well and I can't hear it. Aside from the fact they share stylistic choices of the composer. Which is obvious. 1:31 0:42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 5 hours ago, Brundlefly said: A bad movie doesn't mean it's not a good opportunity to compose a fantastic film score. Guess who has proven that countless times. Danny Elfman isn’t Jerry Goldsmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 57 minutes ago, Warrior of Wet Dreams said: Danny Elfman isn’t Jerry Goldsmith. 110% true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Nor do I want him to be. All I want...IS FOR HIM TO RELEASE THAT VIOLIN CONCERTO BECAUSE JESUS CHRIST ON A CORN DOG STICK WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK ABOUT JUSTICE FATIGUE!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 9 hours ago, Zanobard said: 1:31 0:42 Umm...not really. It's just written in the same modern superhero mode by the same composer (even if the latter is actually Alan Silvestri's material). It is a fragment of the JL main theme and it so happens in this particular brief statement it sounds vaguely similar to Avengers theme. But the actual full melodic line is not even the same and they go in very different directions in their respective scores anyway. It's not any more a rip off than Williams doing Hook and Home Alone in his Harry Potter scores. Or any other composer writing another score in the same genre. Anyway... The Bride Wore Black by Bernard Herrmann. I only knew the Bernstein suite beforehand so it's quite interesting to hear the rest of it. Herrmann was truly a master of colour. It's interesting how it has all the passion of the scores like Obsession but by removing trumpets and violins he achieves his bleak noir (but of course!) and coarse sound. Wonderful. His music always sounds the best just before Christmas for some strange reason. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 La Sconosciuta by Ennio Morricone. Listening to the new Herrmann last night made me want to revisit this most delicious thriller score from the maestro which sometimes evokes Bennie but filtered through Ennio's own unique suspense writing. One of my favourites. Karol publicist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanobard 71 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse by Daniel Pemberton It's a very interesting and rather unique blend of hip-hop and orchestra, really enjoyed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Cinema Paradiso by Ennio Morricone. It's probably his most famously sentimental and Hollywood score. Might be his most saccharine score actually (although I don't have quite as many of his albums so that might be an overstatement) and definitely the easiest one to enjoy. The two primary themes are very famous and are being played to death in concert. It's a feel good score that warms your heart. The new Quartet reissue sounds very nice indeed. As far as I can tell, it is the same exact same programme as the previous expansion just with upgraded sound. No matter how you slice it, this score is a classic. Karol SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,346 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Hook, currently When You're Alone. No words. Just... wow. SteveMc and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Harry Potter 3. My third full listen. Karol - the actual prisoner of Azkaban film score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 On 12/18/2018 at 4:43 PM, bollemanneke said: Hook, currently When You're Alone. No words. Just... wow. It's basically Somewhere Out There except better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 War Horse by John Williams An excellent OST for Williams' Americana score epitome of sorts. Beatiful themes and great work with focus on the strings and woodwinds, with occasional iconic solemn horn statements. It's the Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown by Vince Guaraldi The music, I'm sure, is great. However, the album is basically like a 7.1 BluRay rip- it's full of SFX. Truly disappointing. Toy Story (Legacy Collection) by Randy Newman A great expansion and a really good, fun down-to-earth score. Flew completely under the radar for me until this afternoon. Highly recommended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Escape From New York - John Carpenter Stripes - Elmer Bernstein Contact - Alan Silvestri The Abyss - Alan Silvestri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi 404 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Welcome to Marwen - Alan Silvestri, it's Magical !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Welcome to Marwen by Alan Silvestri. It's really good! Karol - who also listened to The World Is Not Enough earlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, crocodile said: Welcome to Marwen by Alan Silvestri. It's really good! It's OK. Very conventional but at least the theme(s) are halfway memorable. The long credits may be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanobard 71 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Bumblebee by Dario Marianelli. Eh. It's alright, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,687 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Having finished work for Christmas I've had a lot of time this week for some proper listening. Hence, aside from Potter: TWINE Skyfall A Million Ways to Die in the West The Conspirator Bates Motel (season 2 onwards) Legion Magnificent Desolation I don't really seem to have any favourite composers any more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 The Holiday Ew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 I just got my package from LLL, so you can guess what I'm listening to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi 404 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 On 12/21/2018 at 11:26 AM, Zanobard said: Bumblebee by Dario Marianelli. Eh. It's alright, I guess. 100% bored score. Zanobard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Stuff on the musical menu tonight's journey home (by train and then plane): Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (film score plus Children Suite for Orchestra) Die Hard Gremlins Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 VICE by Nicholas Brittel Thumbs up to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Homeward Bound by Bruce Broughton The Fury by John Williams The Funhouse by John Beal Carlito’s Way by Patrick Doyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 The Godfather Part II, by Nino Rota and Carmine Coppola ***** out of ***** Nick Parker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 5 hours ago, crocodile said: Stuff on the musical menu tonight's journey home (by train and then plane): Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (film score plus Children Suite for Orchestra) Die Hard Gremlins Should have added Nightmare at 20,000 Feet for the plane ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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