Potterdom Film/Score Series Thread

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Why?

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

It sounds dopey!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

It's supposed to be American!

 

Muggle sounds silly too. We're just used to it.

[bollemanneke 3,342]

And that's it, we're used to it. No point in changing it now. It'll be intersting to see how Nomaj will be translated.

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

11 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

It's supposed to be American!

 

Muggle sounds silly too. We're just used to it.

 

Bah, I don't care!  Potter was never really my bag.

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

"Nomaj"?  Did J.K Rowling go to the James Cameron School of Naming Things? 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

It's American, they call aluminium aluminum there!

[Once 605]

4 hours ago, bollemanneke said:

No it doesn't! 'Muggle' has been translated into multiple languages, why was Nomaj never mentioned before?

 

That makes no sense. So, if you read the books in America they should be speaking American? Even though they're located in Hogwarts, Scotland?

Just because I've read the novels in both Danish and English it doesn't mean the Danish translations had any input from Rowling - neither did the American editions.

 

In my opinion (and nobody has to agree with this) only the words actually written by Rowling is canon. Thus, we've never met any American wizards or witches - except briefly mentioned in Goblet of Fire, but with no dialogue. When Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them is released it will introduce us to the American side of her world, although set in the 1920's (which could also alter the language).

No translation or 'American edition' of the books can be called canon if they change her words, in my opinion. And so, to me the seven published books are canon, Pottermore is extra and sometimes entertaining backstory for those who are interested, the Fantastic Beasts movie will be canon, but Cursed Child won't be.

 

And about her dropping extra information not in the books; she has always done that. She published Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them along with Quidditch Through the Ages and The Tales of Beedle the Bard for charity, she wrote a short story in 2008 featuring James and Sirius, she wrote four The Daily Prophet editions for the Harry Potter Fan Club in 1998 and 1999 and her old website was filled with tid-bits and backstories for characters that she couldn't fit in the books. Pottermore is just a more organized way of doing it for free.

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

2 hours ago, Stefancos said:

It's American, they call aluminium aluminum there!

 

The most common cause of fights in my house. 

[Docteur Qui 1,544]

 

8 hours ago, bollemanneke said:

No it doesn't! 'Muggle' has been translated into multiple languages, why was Nomaj never mentioned before?

 

Because there have been no American characters speaking dialogue to date.

 

Just as there have been no Australian, Canadian, Afghani, Japanese, Chinese, Iranian, Egyptian etc. characters, so we don't know what they call Muggles in their own communities. These characters are separate to the fans who exist in those places the real world. I think you are confusing the two.

 

This is an incredibly simple concept and you are clutching at straws in your responses. Fun fact: in different parts of the world the term "clutching at straws" is sometimes expressed as "grasping at straws". This is a phenomenon known as localised language.

[bollemanneke 3,342]

I know what language variation means, I'm studying Translation myself. If tap could become fawcet and letter box became mail slot, Muggle could have become Nomaj, but thank God it didn't because it's just a dumb word.

 

Once, your explanation seems plausible, except for one bit: why are you not considering Cursed Child as Canon? Rowling endorsed it. However, I'm not doing it either because Harry will never be overworked, he spent his days at school doing nothing at all if he didn't like the teachers. I don't want to discuss this issue until the end of my life, I just think there is a time and place for things to end. The seven books were great, the films wre okay and the charity stuff too. I mean, come on, does no one understand where I'm going? Would it make sense if Bob Zemeckis suddenly started a website telling us about Doctor Brown's brother and why he says Great Scott? Who'd want to know that? Why not just publish backstories in novel form instead of tidbits on the Internet? That's just my point of view, so...

[Once 605]

The point I'm trying to make is that she has always done it. So it's who she is as a writer; she always wanted to include the fans in such ways and she doesn't contradict the books, so you can choose to ignore it if you wish.

I don't care much about Pottermore, but if her mind wanders and many fans wants to hear what happens or happened I'm not gonna get mad.

 

The American editions were made because the publishers believed American children wouldn't understand certain British words and slang. As the books grew more and more popular fewer words were changed.

Rowling did not make any of the choices in the American editions, therefore I don't count it as cannon.

If she had, I would. But she didn't. So it seems silly accusing her of anything done in those editions.

 

With Cursed Child they came to her with a story that she approved, basically. But had she written it herself I would still have counted it. As I said only the words written by her is canon to me, and she's not writing Cursed Child. 

 

EDIT: Oh, and a little edit; she said she made Pottermore as a gift to the fans for free - so that you don't have to buy anything. She has also said that if she ever release any of it in book form it will go to charity.

I, too, would prefer a book, but if it's meant as a free present that of course isn't possible.

[bollemanneke 3,342]

Fair enough. I do think Scholastic asked her approval when they changed some words, though, not least the title of the first book.

[Once 605]

Quote

Q: Does it bother you that in America they changed the names of your books? 
 

A: They changed the first title, but with my consent to be honest. I wish I hadn't agreed now but it was my first book, and I was so grateful that anyone was publishing me I wanted to keep them happy

From a Comic Relief 2001 interview.

[bollemanneke 3,342]

I stand corrected.

[mrbellamy 6,276]

What if Williams scored the awkward Voldy/Draco hug?

 

 

[gkgyver 1,645]

Muggles sounds silly?

I tell you what sounds silly: a biography of Moaning Myrtle, the Jar-Jar of Hogwarts.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

I've always found the word off-putting because it sounds like "muggers".

[bollemanneke 3,342]

Monaing Myrtle can get a biography for all I care.

[JoeinAR 1,949]

On Tuesday, April 05, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Stefancos said:

It's American, they call aluminium aluminum there!

As We should. 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Rubbish!

[mrbellamy 6,276]

 

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

Oh, damn. That would have been neat to get a little bit of Williams' Voldemort's theme reprised during that bit in the film. Oh well. 

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

It matches up really well (I particularly love the fanfare matched with the shot of the burning bridge) though in general, the whimsical tone of the first two Potter scores doesn't really work with the significantly grimmer tone of the later films.  It would have been interesting to see how Williams would have adapted.  

[mrbellamy 6,276]

I agree that there's always going to be something slightly off about it, and obviously this is way more heightened than it would have any right to be in context with the actual scene but it's fun anyway Some of the matches were too cool not to throw up there.

 

Though I don't really think Yates' style crushed the music as much as it's been characterized. Hooper and Desplat went about as goofy with some of the "magical" cues as Williams ever did, plus Yates always had a handful of cues in each film that were pretty obviously aiming for a big orchestral high. There was always space reserved for that stuff.

[Alex 2,835]

I'm glad they used "Leaving Hogwarts" at the end, that was quite nice 

[mrbellamy 6,276]

I like this.

 

 

 

[Alex 2,835]

I've never made that connection before, do you reckon that was intentional?

[mrbellamy 6,276]

No idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if they temped it with the Erised cue.

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

In what shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone, Warner Bros. is eyeing a Harry Potter and the Cursed Child movie with Daniel Radcliffe.

[bollemanneke 3,342]

Great! A lame play and three lame films! Long ilve the never-ending franchises.

[Jay 37,336]

Has he aged enough yet to play the age Harry is in that story?

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

The story takes place 19 years after the events of the last book. I say they need to wait at least 19 years to make this film. Worked wonders for Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. 

[Skelly 261]

I hear the book is no better than tween fan-fiction, but nevertheless I would totally see a "reunion" movie with Radcliffe, Grint, Watson, etc. based on Cursed Child.

[bollemanneke 3,342]

And what about Snape? On the one hand, I think picking another actor is blasphemy, but then again, at least Rickman will be spared from speaking all the out-of-character lines

[Jay 37,336]

How can Snape be in a story set 19 years after he died?

[bollemanneke 3,342]

Because the play is based on Back to the Future 2. Alternate realities.

[Wojo 2,453]

I saw this book in the supermarket the other day. Thirty bucks. No thanks. 

[Alex 2,835]

I really enjoyed the first Act, but the second act was like a bad fan fiction.

Not surprised Warner Brothers are considering making a film, its a guaranteed £1 billion + gross

[Skelly 261]

1 hour ago, bollemanneke said:

And what about Snape? On the one hand, I think picking another actor is blasphemy, but then again, at least Rickman will be spared from speaking all the out-of-character lines

 

Good point. Maybe an original storyline, then?
But that would probably lead to heavy discontent between Rowling and WB.

[bollemanneke 3,342]

Who cares? Rowling approved Cursed Child so she's already lost her mind.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Thats a bit disrespectful!

[bollemanneke 3,342]

I challenge you to read it and not agree with me afterwards.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Since ive never read the one she did write why would i read the one she didn't?

[mrbellamy 6,276]

I'm sure the play is very well-produced and entertaining -- I would like to see how they pulled off some of the things in there onstage -- but just as a reading experience and continuation of Potter it was fairly disappointing and a little irritating to me in how much it contradicted the books, mostly in small ways but a few big ones as well. Just didn't really convince me overall that it was written by somebody who really knew those books, the characters and the "rules" of that world inside and out, and some of the new ideas and developments cheapened the original stories for me instead of enhancing them. Felt like it was geared more to casual fans, which is fine, I don't mean that in a condescending way but it's easy to see why most people who read the series more than once seem to be dismissing it. Surprising given JKR's involvement but there it is.

 

So I'm not really looking forward to a potential adaptation. Part of me kind of hopes there'll be some major recastings so it'll be easier to ignore altogether  although funnily enough, the story would probably make more sense as a sequel to the movies. There are things about the play that you really have to stretch to actually incorporate into the books, but the films have a lot more wiggle room in that regard.

[Pieter Boelen 740]

The new play is most definitely a sequel on the films, rather than the books.

The description of the Third Task proves as much, as it doesn't fit the book at all,

but it certainly does the films as only the film had "living hedges" instead of "normal hedges with actual cool stuff within them".

 

I also find it quite odd that this time, time turners COULD change the past.

Because I thought the whole point of Prisoner of Azkaban was that the past was never actually changed to begin with.

It all happened like that the first time too, but they didn't know it and misinterpreted the events.

[bollemanneke 3,342]

You sort of misinterpreted that. Yes, it always happened like this, but no, the past is not unchangable. I suppose it depends on your perspective of time.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Read A Brief History Of Time and the works of Kip Thorne for more about the concept of time.

[Skelly 261]

9 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

Read A Brief History Of Time and the works of Kip Thorne for more about the concept of time.

 

Fun fact - the wizard in the Leaky Cauldron in Prisoner of Azkaban is doing just that.

 

[mrbellamy 6,276]

Very cheeky bit of foreshadowing.

 

By the way, just noticed they're possibly doing a trilogy and not just one film?? I'm thinking no way Daniel Radcliffe or Emma Watson commit to that (Rupert Grint, debatable, he hasn't had much else going on) unless they really minimize their roles. Not sure about Maggie Smith either.