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GAME OF THRONES - Beware Season 7 Spoilers!

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Its arc is quite clear and has been for years now. Its just the fine details that we don't know about yet.

 

 

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A redundant tweet. Few care about Martin's version of the story anymore.

 

28 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

Its arc is quite clear and has been for years now. Its just the fine details that we don't know about yet.

 

I reckon most people watching don't really care too much about those either. 

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Your "reckon" must be based on something. Some observation you made personally.

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It's a hunch. That's allowed and normal.

 

We're close to the end game now. You think of the many millions still tuned in, people still give a fuck about... actually, I just realised - there aren't any "fine details" left in this. It all seems quite straightforward from here, expected twists accepted.

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I know, yet many people still seem to obsess about it. 

 

Bring on the big battle I say! The War to end all Wars! 

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The thing about Game of Thrones, for me at least, is that I don't think it holds up anymore to too much scrutiny, to allow for too much thought about "finer details". Earlier on, that quality was one of its strengths and biggest allures, the cloak and dagger intrigue of it; but there have been some really loose moments since then, and so I find it a much more comfortable watch if I simply regard it as accessible broad entertainment, like The Lord of the Rings trilogy.

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I bet Lee wasn't online when Xena was on the box!

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2 minutes ago, Quintus said:

The thing about Game of Thrones, for me at least, is that I don't think it holds up anymore to too much scrutiny, to allow for too much thought about "finer details". Earlier on, that quality was one of its strength and biggest allures, but there have been some really loose moments since then, and so I find it a much more comfortable watch if I simply regard it as accessible broad entertainment, like The Lord of the Rings trilogy.

 

True.

 

It is a pity thoug, because that level of detail was one of the things that stood out in the earlier seasons. Now its all but abandoned. 

 

Why does Cersei need the Iron Banks when Euros can make an armada of ships out of seemingly nothing in seemingly record time?

2 minutes ago, Quintus said:

That show looked absolutely awful even when it was new.

 

I think the campy aspects of it very seen as a plus at the time. Not that I ever watched it.

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The first thing I ever watched Lucy Lawless in was Ash Vs Evil Dead, where she's one of the main characters.

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I think ive only ever seen her in BSG.

 

Striking actress though.

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5 hours ago, Stefancos said:

Why does Cersei need the Iron Banks when Euros can make an armada of ships out of seemingly nothing in seemingly record time?

 

Balance of power. 

 

Euron's fleet consists of the already established Iron Islands navy loyal to him, as he is the current Greyjoy ruler of that realm. And he presently offers his allegiance to King's Landing. 

 

But Cersei knows if she doesn't put out eventually, Euron may take his ships and go home. She needs to be able to buy and recruit her own standing navy to counter that. 

 

She can't do that because the crown is still broke from when King Robert bankrupted them. She can't borrow anymore from the Iron Bank until she pays off that debt, hence the spoils of war taken from an enemy house.

 

Once the slate is wiped clean, she can turn around and borrow the money back, recruit all the mercenaries she needs, win the war, put Euron in his place, and she'll still be able to repay the bank from whatever new treasury she plunders. 

 

That should be her plan. It went up in smoke last week because now, only the craziest of crazies will meet Dothraki and dragons on an open field. And most of those crazies already fight for Daenerys Targaryen. Cersei needs die-hards like the Gold Company. 

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36 minutes ago, Woj said:

 

Balance of power. 

 

Euron's fleet consists of the already established Iron Islands navy loyal to him, as he is the current Greyjoy ruler of that realm. And he presently offers his allegiance to King's Landing. 

 

But Cersei knows if she doesn't put out eventually, Euron may take his ships and go home. She needs to be able to buy and recruit her own standing navy to counter that. 

 

She can't do that because the crown is still broke from when King Robert bankrupted them. She can't borrow anymore from the Iron Bank until she pays off that debt, hence the spoils of war taken from an enemy house.

 

Once the slate is wiped clean, she can turn around and borrow the money back, recruit all the mercenaries she needs, win the war, put Euron in his place, and she'll still be able to repay the bank from whatever new treasury she plunders. 

 

That should be her plan. It went up in smoke last week because now, only the craziest of crazies will meet Dothraki and dragons on an open field. And most of those crazies already fight for Daenerys Targaryen. Cersei needs die-hards like the Gold Company. 

 

Is this in the book?

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Isn't Euron's last scene of season 6 basically him saying, "Let's build a fuckload of ships, boys!"

 

I'm pretty sure it was made clear that Yara had taken the entire existing fleet and Euron would have to build a new one.

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21 minutes ago, Quintus said:

 

Is this in the book?

 

I said "should be her plan." I don't know what is in the books because, well, the books stopped a long time ago in the story, and I stopped reading the books anyways when Ned was arrested, a very long time ago.

 

Again, this is only speculation because we don't have new books to read and we're presently 10.5 hours from airtime in the eastern United States. 

 

I can only speculate. Chances are my speculation from playing years of strategy games is better than Tyrion's military advice learned from reading, drinking, and banging whores. 

 

Okay, so Euron built his own new navy to sink Yara's older fleet. That's fine. Cersei might want to be able to build her own ships that are loyal to the Lannister banner without being at the mercy of vassal houses, whose loyalty could bounce at any time for any reason. 

 

Reapeat. I am only speculating. Talking about something that is my own opinion to entertain myself in the downtime between episodes. 

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12 hours ago, Woj said:

 

Balance of power. 

 

Euron's fleet consists of the already established Iron Islands navy loyal to him, as he is the current Greyjoy ruler of that realm. And he presently offers his allegiance to King's Landing. 

 

But Cersei knows if she doesn't put out eventually, Euron may take his ships and go home. She needs to be able to buy and recruit her own standing navy to counter that. 

 

She can't do that because the crown is still broke from when King Robert bankrupted them. She can't borrow anymore from the Iron Bank until she pays off that debt, hence the spoils of war taken from an enemy house.

 

Once the slate is wiped clean, she can turn around and borrow the money back, recruit all the mercenaries she needs, win the war, put Euron in his place, and she'll still be able to repay the bank from whatever new treasury she plunders. 

 

That should be her plan. It went up in smoke last week because now, only the craziest of crazies will meet Dothraki and dragons on an open field. And most of those crazies already fight for Daenerys Targaryen. Cersei needs die-hards like the Gold Company. 

 

Indeed!  Nice post!

 

 

 

 

 

12 hours ago, Quintus said:

 

Is this in the book?

 

The show passed all the books years ago.  The last thing that happened in the last published book was Jon Snow's death!

 

He was clearly just making his own interpretation of events based on watching the show.  IIRC, he hasn't read the books. 

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2 hours ago, Woj said:

Okay, so Euron built his own new navy to sink Yara's older fleet. That's fine. Cersei might want to be able to build her own ships that are loyal to the Lannister banner without being at the mercy of vassal houses, whose loyalty could bounce at any time for any reason.

 

But if she hires sellswords (the Golden Company is supposed to be a group of sellswords, right?), they wouldn't be quite loyal to her, would they? Well, I guess as long as the  money keeps coming in, sure, they would, but after that...

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50 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

Indeed!  Nice post!

 

Huh?  He was clearly just making his own interpreation of events based on watching the show.

 

The show passed all the books years ago.  The last thing that happened in the last published book was Jon Snow's death!

 

Sorry, I already used up all my interpretation power with Twin Peaks. Luckily though Game of Thrones doesn't really need any.

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You're up for another round of TP tomorrow? 

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6 hours ago, BloodBoal said:

 

But if she hires sellswords (the Golden Company is supposed to be a group of sellswords, right?), they wouldn't be quite loyal to her, would they? Well, I guess as long as the  money keeps coming in, sure, they would, but after that...

 

The Golden Company is supposed to be so honorable that they'll keep any contract they sign, even if their contract holders back out. Of course, now that dragons are real again and the Dothraki have sailed, they have first right of refusal. 

 

Point is, now that Dany has everyone's attention, Cersei may have lost all advantages, unless the Mountain v2 has immunity to fire or she can Qyburnify an entire battalion. 

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So when does Cersei get the Golden Company?  I think last episode of the season but they could pull a quick one and have them in this episode or the next for a quick response to Loot Train.

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Whatever. 

 

Cool, Eastwatch! 

Whew... 

 

This is gonna be a really bad idea. 

 

Should be fun. 

 

 

SHE FUCKING FOUND IT! Sam, you coont. 

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Great episode!

 

I'm willing to bet that Gilly and Sam brought the book with Prince "Ragger's" annulment with them, for a future plot twist ;) 

 

Cersei pregnancy feels like a cheap development. Maybe she's lying. Probably not though.

 

Littlefinger sowing discord between the sisters is expected.  It will bite him in the ass!

 

Oh boy next week looks exciting!  Didn't anticipate Jon going north of the Wall again, that's for sure.

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Well that had to be the fastest paced episode they've ever done. 

 

Eastwatch was dope in the opening credits. Didn't notice which city they took out to include it... Probably Pyke? 

 

I loved how the group going north of the wall at the end had a bunch of red shirts with them, to make battles more exciting next week. I'm sure Bran will warg into animals to save them all last minute. 

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Yeah, see, Disco, that last sentence is the kind of thing that the ruling class wants in spoiler tags. 

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It happens literally at the end of the episode that just aired.  He went north of the Wall

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I thought he looked like Christian Bale

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Just now, Disco Stu said:

It happens literally at the end of the episode that just aired.  He went north of the Wall

 

Mmkay. 

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So if Rhaegar was annuled from his marriage to the Dorne lady who The Mountain killed her and their kids, does that mean he married Lyanna Stark, making Jon not only literally an heir to Winterfell next in line after Ned's kids, but simultaneously an heir to the Iron Throne, next in life after Daenerys? Or would he be in line before his aunt, just by virtue of being male? 

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1 minute ago, Jay said:

Or would he be in line before his aunt, just by virtue of being male? 

This. 

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He should tell Dany to bend the knee then

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2 minutes ago, Jay said:

He should tell Dany to bend the knee then

 

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Indeed. 

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I don't think either of them are into incest. That's the other queen. 

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