Arpy 4,145 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Daenerys needs to transform into a dragon to save them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 When was the last time we had an episode with nobody dying on screen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Technically ep one of the season didnt have anyone dying on-screen either. The Umber boy was already dead when they torched him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 I loved reading Wojo's explanation of The Last Hearth and what happened up there. Grim stuff! It's a shame little details in the story like this aren't communicated all that well to the more inattentive or casual GoT viewer like me. What does everyone think about the telegraphing of the possible endgame demise of the Night King by luring him out to the tree? It's a bit Death Star exhaust porty to me that, and I hope it doesn't come off that way otherwise I'll feel ripped off. Surely they/Martin have more wicked plans in store than that, right? I'm fully expecting the goodies' plan to go completely tits up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 I expect Winterfell will fall next week and the survivors head South. Either to Kings Landing, the Iron Islands or Somerset. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Spoiler Well Dany and Jon were shown on Dragonstone in one of the trailers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Stefancos said: I expect Winterfell will fall next week and the survivors head South. Either to Kings Landing, the Iron Islands or Somerset. Ya reckon with the [current] Night King still in charge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 A friend of mine suggested the White Walkers and the Night King would all be defeated next week and the last 3 episodes would all be about defeating Cersei. I...doubt it. 1 minute ago, Quintus said: Ya reckon with the [current] Night King still in charge? The Night King is such a non-character at this point it might be better to just swap him. Maybe a Bran turned to evil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 I've picked up on the Bran theory here and there, but I hope that's not how it plays out. Not because it wouldn't be good, but because I like surprises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 It would actually give the character something to do but sit there and stare into the middle distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Yeah. I'd just wish I hadn't noticed the theory online before seeing it happen. YouTube is a pain in the arse when you're browsing one thing but see thumbnails and big fonts blaring out about something completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 At this point I'm really not that fussed about surprises, just gimme the big battles! I NEED IT! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Well, Game of Thrones has always been at it's most shockingly best when it's pulling the rug from under your feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Not for quite a while though, imo anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 But why build up the Night King and White Walkers to kill them off so quickly? IMO I think they need to show how devastating his power and army can be and that would necessitate killing a lot of people. 19 minutes ago, Stefancos said: It would actually give the character something to do but sit there and stare into the middle distance. If he becomes possessed, I wonder if he'll be able to walk again or just have him sitting there haha! 42 minutes ago, Quintus said: It's a shame little details in the story like aren't communicated all that well to the more inattentive or casual GoT viewer like me. Yes, I feel the same way at points, because I've never really been into the show and enjoy it casually, I've sometimes had trouble with smaller details popping up after seasons and years apart as if I'm supposed to remember them. One of the things that puts me off GoT is all the bullshit surrounding the family heritage. I couldn't care less if Jon Snow is a Targaryan or what happened thousands of years ago because I feel as if (in the TV show) that they gloss over the importance of the lineage in favour of the spectacle - blood, battles, tits etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 I wonder if the Night King's presence can reanimate long-dead bodies from a distance. That would make the crypt a bloodbath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 37 minutes ago, xWxzek said: I wonder if the Night King's presence can reanimate long-dead bodies from a distance. That would make the crypt a bloodbath. Can't he only reanimate bodies that have been killed by White Walkers though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 I don't know. I don't think we've ever seen him near graveyards before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Thrones is going to copy Missy's plan for the Cybermen in the Doctor Who two-parter Dark Water/Death in Heaven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,401 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 We thinking he could go Hardhome on their asses? Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 The Stark ancestors rise inside the crypt and kill all the women and children (and Tyrion and Sam) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,044 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 14 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: I like the mood of these slow episodes, and the dialogue is also better than I've recently come to expect from this show. Yes! Quote Bit of a shame that the rest will probably be nearly all battle action now. Nah. I suspect episode 3 is the giant battle, the biggest battle of the season and entire show. I'd suspect 4 is back to slow buildup, 5 will have some sort of final battle at King's Landing, then 6 is all wrap-up. Something like that. Quote Perhaps he'll leave the Iron Throne to Dany in exchange for his rule over the North? He is fully entitled to that after all. I can't see either character actually ending up in charge when all is said and done. But who knows. 14 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said: But there *are* character themes, or at least family/group themes. They aren't all brilliant, but they are there and they have been subtly woven in even since season one. Of course, Djwadi's amazing song composition "Jenny of Oldstones" overshadowed any bit of score this episode, but I still noticed several callback bits that I really liked, such as that rising three note motif (established for the Watch in season one) for our three surviving Night's Watch veteran comrades, facing out into the darkness on the ramparts together. I didn't notice anything that bothered me, but I might have been just so distracted by how much I adored the content/script/acting of the episode itself. I do think the high point of the series musically was the season 6 finale (and the scoring that season in general was probably the strongest Djawadi has ever done for the show, almost Westworld quality even). I did really like the new sad love theme for Jon and Dany that he wrote in season 7...by far his best contribution that year. Yavar Yes yes, I know there's character themes and everything, I just don't happen to think most of them are very good. Only the brilliant main title theme and Lannister theme are memorable to me. I just thought they were making weird mood choices with the music this week. Something was off. 4 hours ago, Bilbo said: When was the last time we had an episode with nobody dying on screen? Was this the ONLY episode where not a single character or even animal died? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,401 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 I think his Dragon melody is a nice achievement - gets both the ancient, soaring majesty and the last-of-their-kind tragedy across, topping it off with a bit of "they mean business and will kill you" with those last two notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,044 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Quintus said: What does everyone think about the telegraphing of the possible endgame demise of the Night King by luring him out to the tree? It's a bit Death Star exhaust porty to me that, and I hope it doesn't come off that way otherwise I'll feel ripped off. Surely they/Martin have more wicked plans in store than that, right? I'm fully expecting the goodies' plan to go completely tits up! There are three options 1) Their plan works; They lure the Night King towards Bran and kill him in episode 3, leaving episodes 4-6 to entirely be about the fight for the iron throne 2) The Night King is there at Winterfell, but doesn't fall for their trick. The episode ends with the remaining living heroes fleeing for their lives as the Night King heads south or whatever 3) The Night King isn't even there. While the giant Winterfell battle is going on, he's taken off and headed to King's Landing himself with some subset of other walkers & wights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 I dunno. The Night King going straight for King's Landing implies that it (he?) is both cognizant of and, to some degree, cares about human seats of power / "the Iron Throne" and strategizes from that position. Up to now he's portrayed as more of a ceaseless force who makes no distinction between any individual humans. The strategy is just kill everyone from north to south. KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,044 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Sure, it wouldn't make sense but do you have faith in Benioff & Weiss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo 297 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Stefancos said: Technically ep one of the season didnt have anyone dying on-screen either. The Umber boy was already dead when they torched him. Bro, people on Euron's ship were dropping like flies. Yavar Moradi and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,401 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jay said: 1) Their plan works; They lure the Night King towards Bran and kill him in episode 3, leaving episodes 4-6 to entirely be about the fight for the iron throne The heroes' first plan immediately working and destroying the dark army that has been built up for 7 seasons would not be very climactic, I think. There should be some sort of twist there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,044 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 That's what option 2 is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Holko said: The heroes' first plan immediately working and destroying the dark army that has been built up for 7 seasons would not be very climactic, I think. There should be some sort of twist there. I'm sort of expecting a twist along the lines of "The Door." Something shocking that upends what we would think of as the normal "rules" of the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,401 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Yes! That should be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,044 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Yea like Bran will kill him in a vision and then he'll be dead in real life or whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Something mind-bending would be very exciting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,044 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Let's hope Benioff and Weiss are up for the task! Do we know if GRRM told B&W his end game? I mean he obviously told them much (all?) of what will happen in Book 6, plus Hodor's origin and likely that lady Stoneheart and fake Aegon aren't ultimately too important, but do we know if he told them how he planned to wrap up the white walkers in the books, or who he planned on ending up on the iron throne or whatever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,401 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 He did tell them the end and recently he said his ending will not be very different from the show's ending at all. 60 minutes interview quoted on IGN: Quote The show will be very close, though, thanks to “several days of story conferences” that took place at Martin’s house in Santa Fe, New Mexico. “I don't think Dan and Dave's ending is gonna be that different from my ending because of the conversations we did have,” he said. “But they may be on certain secondary characters, there may be big differences,” he explained, saying that “there's no way to get in all the detail, all the minor characters, all the secondary characters.” He joked that people will fight on the internet about which ending is better, which is certainly the inevitable outcome of all this. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,044 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 That's cute he still thinks his final book will come out one day Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,401 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Maybe he had some secretive contractual obligation that he can't release WoW until the show's over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,044 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 That's not the final book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,401 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 I know, but that would mean WoW could have been finished for a year or two and he could already be working on the last one. Very much theoretically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,044 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 That's cute you think that's a possibility. He's old, fat, and rich as hell. He MIGHT finish Winds of Winter and publish in within the next 5 years, but Dream of Spring ain't coming out in his lifetime, I'd wager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,044 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,833 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Killing the Night King off in episode 3 would be a bit disappointing, given the set up that his character has had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,044 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 A girl is thirsty A. A. Ron and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,306 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Not watching the show and I've just found out it's only 6 episodes. For someone who's waiting for the blu-ray, only 6 eppies isn't very funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Jay said: That's cute you think that's a possibility. He's old, fat, and rich as hell. He MIGHT finish Winds of Winter and publish in within the next 5 years, but Dream of Spring ain't coming out in his lifetime, I'd wager. Aside from this I think he needs WoW+ 2 more books rather than just WoW and ADoS to finish the series. He left book 5 with some ball of shite to sort out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,044 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Just now, Bilbo said: Aside from this I think he needs WoW+ 2 more books rather than just WoW and ADoS to finish the series. Agreed. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,612 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: Not watching the show and I've just found out it's only 6 episodes. For someone who's waiting for the blu-ray, only 6 eppies isn't very funny. Each episode feels 4 hours long, so in the end it works out to 24 episodes' worth of content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,306 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 It's that bad?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,044 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Nah, he's just being funny. Ep 1 and Ep 2 were both very good, especially Ep 2. A24 and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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