#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 That's a good point actually. Magic in Westeros might disapear. But not everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Anyone else make a force projection joke when the Night King survived the dragon fire? A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 I’m still chuckling at Rian Johnson’s tweet about having an elaborate Night King theory 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 I was waiting for Jon to stick his sword in and realize he's not actually there. Cut to the Night King sitting on top of the Wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Hitler Is Also Pissed About Episode 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Sounds like the mememaker hasn’t heard of the scouring of the shire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, mstrox said: Sounds like the mememaker hasn’t heard of the scouring of the shire The scouring, though a vital and deeply satisfying part of the book, is not something that could ever have worked in the tail end of a epic 3 film adventure. People were already complaining how long the film ran after Sauron was destroyed. PJ made the right call. Arpy and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 57 minutes ago, Quintus said: Well, the Mount Doom sequence *does* happen about halfway through ROTK, and the final villain in the story is Saruman... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 28 minutes ago, Stefancos said: The scouring, though a vital and deeply satisfying part of the book, is not something that could ever have worked in the tail end of a epic 3 film adventure. People were already complaining how long the film ran after Sauron was destroyed. PJ made the right call. I agree - I guess the person who made the meme hasn't read the books! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: Well, the Mount Doom sequence *does* happen about halfway through ROTK, and the final villain in the story is Saruman... I wouldn't say Saruman is the "Endboss" of LOTR at all. Not in the films, certainly not in the books. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: Well, the Mount Doom sequence *does* happen about halfway through ROTK, and the final villain in the story is Saruman... The Scouring of the Shire has the benefit of feeling like an epilogue though. Sauron was the big baddie of LotR, front and centre. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,221 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 The destructions of Sauron and of the Night King occur approximately 95% of the way through the stories of The Lord of the Rings (the film) and Game of Thrones, respectively. Yavar Moradi and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 This is why I think Bran will turn out to be the bad guy. It's the only ending that won't disappoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,221 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Maybe the White Walker played by Vladimir Furdik was only a lookalike decoy commanding a small portion of the Army of the Dead, and the real Night King Richard Brake is going to show up at King's Landing with the bulk of his forces! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 He looked way more badass than the replacement. I missed him every time the Night King was on screen. Glóin the Dark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 I was even fully ready for him to speak some cheesy villain lines to Bran or Arya... anything new, really. Would've shown major intelligence behind this relentless force of nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted May 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 1, 2019 5 hours ago, Stefancos said: I wouldn't say Saruman is the "Endboss" of LOTR at all. Not in the films, certainly not in the books. Not the end boss of course, far from it. But he is the *final* villain in the book, albeit a shadow of what he was at the height of his villainy (when he was a shadow of Sauron). I do have to disagree with you though: I don't think the Scouring can't work on film. It's unorthodox in the book, and it would unorthodox in a film. I'd wager many people have complained about it in the books over the years, and more would complain about it in a film. But I'll go so far to say that people who complain about it being overlong, unnecessary, or boring haven't understood what the story is all about, book or film. The crucial difference is that film, far more than books (these days), is a mass medium, and also much easier to consume. With the book, only those who stick with it till the end will complain, and most of those will be sufficiently invested in the whole point of the story to appreciate the Scouring. A commercial big budget film has to please (mostly) everyone, and as a result perhaps even the major part of its consumers are people who aren't even the "intended" (before marketing and financial aspects) of the story. A larger share of people will start watching the films as (presumed) dumb fantasy action spectacles and finish them with the same view compared to people starting to read the books. What I'm trying to say is: The film Scouring could work, artistically (if done well). But it would probably fail commercially - which basically means that a significant aspect of the integrity of a story has to be sacrificed to get people to finance a film. A rather sad state of affairs, if you think about it. I guess it would be easier to pull it off in a series format. There would still be complaints, but perhaps fewer, and you'll always get complaints about any finale of any series lasting more than a season or two anyway. The Illustrious Jerry, A. A. Ron and Yavar Moradi 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 The scouring itself can work fine. It cannot work in an edit. Its thematically crucial to the story, I think, but it could never have worked except in a glimpse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 I don't think the scouring of the Shire belongs in the movies. It doesn't really need to be in the books really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 I think the Scouring of the Shire is like Tom Bombadil in that it could work better in a film than people tend to imagine. That said, FOTR and ROTK are great films without these things and I'm never going to say that these changes were an inherently "wrong" decision. It's just not that simple. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 5 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: Not the end boss of course, far from it. But he is the *final* villain in the book, *cough*Witchking Of Angmar*cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 7 hours ago, Chen G. said: The scouring itself can work fine. It cannot work in an edit. Its thematically crucial to the story, I think, but it could never have worked except in a glimpse. That's why I preferred how they portrayed it in Fellowship of the Ring (the film) with Frodo seeing a vision of basically the Scouring of the Shire. A nice way to tie it to Sauron without the need for a small diversion later on, especially after the ordeal of the quest which is stated visually here and not through the descriptive nature of the books. In the chapter, it always felt to me like that scene was a way of showing how the Shire isn't untouchable, or left untouched by the evil of Sauron. It all comes down to how the stories work in each of their narrative frameworks of film or book and it's a creative choice for sure, but one I wasn't disappointed by. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 It also helps that in the film the Black Gate was made more satisfying by having Merry there. I would say it diminishes the Witch King that he recovers that quickly, but the Witch King death scene already does that. Too bad the compensation was him breaking Gandalf's staff... somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 That was strange, because Gandalf the White is more powerful, but I kinda liked it because it made the Witch-King more threatening! As far as continuity goes, the theatrical film is a mess because it doesn't show Gandalf losing his staff, then later at the Grey Havens he has it back. I liked to imagine for the theatrical cut he left the staff somewhere for safekeeping! Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 16 hours ago, Stefancos said: *cough*Witchking Of Angmar*cough* What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 I think he was just coughing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 21 hours ago, Demodex said: I don't think the scouring of the Shire belongs in the movies. It doesn't really need to be in the books really. Neither does Tom Bombadil! Chen G. and Demodex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 Episode 3 of season 8 was the climax. The subsequent three episodes are the denouement. There’s nothing wrong with that. Breaking Bad did a similar thing, Return of the King had a long denouement as well. There’s still a lot of story to be tied off and it was never going to happen in the same episode as the climactic battle. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 There’s one more big battle to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 5 hours ago, Docteur Qui said: Episode 3 of season 8 was the climax. The subsequent three episodes are the denouement. I don't know that what follows can be classified as a denoument, per se. But yeah, we at least need to give the next chapter an unbiased watch and see where it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 8 hours ago, Docteur Qui said: Episode 3 of season 8 was the climax. The subsequent three episodes are the denouement. Do we know that or are we just assuming that though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 In terms of scale there is still a lot they can do. Big naval battle, two dragons, a huge host of mercenaries bankrolled by Braavos, but can they make it worthwhile in terms of drama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: In terms of scale there is still a lot they can do. Big naval battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 But bigger! I just hope it will involve me a bit more then the Battle Of Winterfell did. The problem with it is that for over an hour the zombie army pounded our heroes to a bloody pulp, and then the main guy died and it was all over. There was no real narrative eb and flow, like Helms'Deep or Pellenor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Well it was silly for the GoT peeps to compare the long night to the Battle of Helm's Deep, when it's closer to the Battle of the Pelennor Fields in a way. A vast orc legion arrives and lays siege to Mina's Tirith. Theoden dies in Eowyn's arms Rings - Jorah dies in Dany's arms in Thrones. Then they piece everything together to go fight the last battle at the Black Gates! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Is...winter still coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 I wish. As it stands I still feely utterly deflated with the finale season so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: Is...winter still coming? It's May mate, I bloody well hope not! Smaug The Iron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Winter might not be coming but I will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 TMI! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,221 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Is...winter still coming? I've been wondering that. The winter has just begun, and we were told that the maesters predicted that it will be long and severe. For millennia, the erratic seasonal cycle has had no evident dependence on the arrival of White Walkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 But if the Walkers are gone, the whole "Winter Is Coming" line is meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Glóin the Dark 1,221 Posted May 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 3, 2019 Everyone (even the Starks) thought that the White Walkers were gone - if indeed they ever existed - until just a few years ago in Westeros time. So the motto "Winter Is Coming" is as meaningful to them as it was at the beginning of the series... Yavar Moradi, Bilbo and Disco Stu 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 The night is dark and full of terrors, you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 The thing I can't figure out is, if there is a massive battle yet to come, what soldiers are left to fight on the side of the good guys? The bad guys have everyone loyal to Cersei, and the 20,000 Golden Company soldiers she just bought. The good guys have 2 dragons and... what else? They made it seem like all or most of the Dothraki and Unsullied died in Winterfell, along with all the soldiers that were loyal to the Starks. So if they head south to attack King's Landing, who is left to pick up and help them out along the way? I know Yara left to go to Iron Islands, but how many of them are left that aren't with Euron? How many boats are left that aren't Eurons? The Eyrie's army was with the Winterfell crew for a while, right? So who else is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Indeed, from what we saw in the last ep the Northern forces were slaughtered. It will seem weird if they suddenly muster thousands for a battle in Kings Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Bran is the new Night King and will raise all he dead! Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,221 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 What about the Riverlands, the Reach and Dorne? Maybe Daario Naharis will show up with an army from the Bay of Dragons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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