Holko 9,526 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 How did Sam become Grand Maester if he dropped out after a month or two? Isn't he still supposed to be a Night's Watch member (which still exists for some reason) and he only got leave to go study to be the new NW Maester? Wait, the Wall is not even under the Crown's jurisdiction anymore but Sansa's. Couldn't she just pardon Jon? Grey Worm is off the continent anyway. Also, Dany legitimised Gendry. He has a pretty good claim to the throne if we accept Dany as having reigned for a... day? Again, this last season makes less and less and less sense the more you think about it, which is the exact opposite of how the show was originally and why half the world fell in love with it. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 So literally the only reason for the Wights, Night King, Dead, all of that, one of the cornerstones of the show, the first thing we ever saw was: Kill wildlings whom no one cares about; scare people South of the Wall, but not nearly all of them; Kill a handful of memorable characters who could have fallen any other way and weren't the most important ones by far; and ultimately obliterate Dany's Unsullied and Dothraki, making her weaker against Cersei, but then they magically regenerated half their numbers by the next episode, got attacked and suffered losses on sea again but it turns out they weren't needed for the complete and effortless destruction of KL and the Lannister forces at all, they only were there to make Jon and Tyrion a bit more upset about the massare, they didn't even play a part in the negotiations as a large army who have just been wronged, Grey Worm just let his prisoner Tyrion organise the new government while standing and didn't kill the murderer of his queen on the spot for some reason. Oh, sorry, I meant: whoah, look how kewl that looks! Pieter Boelen and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,499 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Decent wrap-up episode, but nowhere near the high level of last week's, of course. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Thats all it is, a wrap-up. It didn't make a lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 WAIT, DID ARYA FU**ING SAIL 'INTO THE WEST!?' WAIT, DID SAMWISE GAMGEE... I MEAN SAMWELL TARLEY TALK ABOUT A BOOK NAMED THE LORD OF THE RINGS...I MEAN A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,499 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Quote Thats all it is, a wrap-up. It didn't make a lot of sense. Made perfect sense to me. I don't care about crazy fan ravings complaining that the series didn't end exactly how they wanted it to. These guys need to take a chill pill. Docteur Qui and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 True, I don't care about strawmen either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 A lot of it doesn't make sense in the universe the show is set though. But I guess thats fine, right? A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 The biggest problem with this episode is that Daenerys didn't learn anything, she didn't grow, she didn't face the consequences or understand that there were any. The retribution against her should have been making her realize the pain and destruction she caused. Conversely, you could have everything happen in the same order - have Jon kill her in the exact same fashion (which is how many thought Jaime would take Cersei out btw) but have a whole season in between - show Daenerys grow bitter and avert her sense of guilt with arrogance, then build up to a point where she threatens her rule, slowly becoming a totalitarian dictator, then Jon is forced to kill her. Instead we get one conversation, one confrontation. 2 hours ago, Holko said: And even outright told everyone he knew the outcome. "Why do you think I came all this way?" Smug fuck. What even is the point of voting for him if he already knows everyone will vote for him? I guess we just have to accept all his "I don't want anymore" and "I am not Bran Stark" was all just distracting everyone so the pieces of slaughter fell perfectly in piece and he wouldn't be suspected? Where did he go during the Night King's attack? What was his purpose? How is a soulless, sterile computer a suitable king? Where did these plots go? Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Stefancos said: A lot of it doesn't make sense in the universe the show is set though. But I guess thats fine, right? Why SeaRCh For LogiC, It's A ShOw wItH DragoNs, It'S NoT ReAlIsTiC A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,499 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Plotlines, schmotlines.....I don't really care. I was always into this show for the spectacle, the sense of 'being there'. I don't remember half of the series' plotlines or characters. Looking forward to revisiting the show at some point though. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 I liked this reallllllllllllly 'subtle' shot. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 You don't think plot isn't important in a show thats all about plot? Hmmmm.... Just now, leeallen01 said: I liked this reallllllllllllly 'subtle' shot. Yes! There's good work in this season technically. Pity about the writing Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,499 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just now, Stefancos said: You don't think plot isn't important in a show thats all about plot? Hmmmm.... I don't agree that it's 'all about plot'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 I was being sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 It was still a cool shot, subtle or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, leeallen01 said: I was being sarcastic. You're not very good at it crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thor 7,499 Posted May 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2019 No need to be sarcastic. It was a superb, goosebump-inducing shot -- one of the reasons why I followed this show: the cinematography, mise-en-scene and so on. Bilbo, crumbs and Docteur Qui 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 It was a good shot. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 It was a pretty shot but was forced and stupid. - My review of season 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Yes! There's good work in this season technically. Pity about the writing Who's to say that this shot wasn't concieved of on the page? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 "We'll have Dany stood perfectly in front of the dragons wings as they spread so it totally looks like she's the angel of death. Holy shit we're geniuses!" bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Shot ideas in the script is not writing. TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thor 7,499 Posted May 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2019 It's not meant to be subtle. I found it clever and powerful. I realize it's the trend of the day to find flaws anywhere and everywhere in the show, but no need to go looking for them where there is none. crumbs, Chen G., Docteur Qui and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Who's to say that this shot wasn't concieved of on the page? You enjoy being pedantic, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 19 minutes ago, Holko said: Shot ideas in the script is not writing. Screenwriting is many things: its ideas for coverage (close/wide, camera movements - David Lean would even specifically the light source of the scene), its characterization, its dialouge, its plotting, its structure, its narrative and theme, etcetra. To focus on plotting as be-all-end-all of screenwriting is just wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Bran looked silly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Screenwriting is many things: its ideas for coverage (close/wide, camera movements - David Lean would even specifically the light source of the scene), its characterization, its dialouge, its plotting, its structure, its narrative and theme, etcetra. 17 minutes ago, Stefancos said: You enjoy being pedantic, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Guilty as charged, @Stefancos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, mstrox said: Bran looked silly! Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 I hoped the Throne would melt, flow and solidify to create a wheelchair access ramp. mstrox and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,499 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 31 minutes ago, Holko said: I hoped the Throne would melt, flow and solidify to create a wheelchair access ramp. I hoped it would engulf Dany. Would be a lot of poetic justice in that, and a nice callback to her 'dragon birth' sequence from the first season. But I'm fine with the way it was; the dragon flying off with her presumed dead body 'into the sunset'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Alternate ending. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 35 minutes ago, Holko said: I hoped the Throne would melt, flow and solidify to create a wheelchair access ramp. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Sums it all up leeallen01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 It'll be interesting to see how they submit categories for the Emmy awards. The only way I see for them to go without abject category fraud is to submit the coffee cup in supporting actor and the water bottle in featured guest actor. Chen G. and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Was it snow or ash we saw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 25 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Was it snow or ash we saw? mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Will we get a canon novel about how Gareth Edwards became trapped inside the SW universe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 I liked the scene with Drogon burning the throne. Quite fitting. And there was indeed some nice fantasy imagery in the first half. Its just frustrating to see how false Danny's death rings, because there was no dramatic arc around her rise and fall. I still think a season dedicated to the Mad Queen could have done wonders for the show. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Thor said: I don't agree that it's 'all about plot'. I think it is fair to say this show was all plot. And there's nothing demeaning or wrong about that. Many of the greatest stories in the world are just about plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2019 1. Sam suggesting democracy and getting laughed at was way too meta for this show. 2. What the other kingdoms are just ok with Bran letting his sister declare independence while they have to bend the knee to him? What the fuck kind of sense does that make? That whole scene was just so, so terrible. It was 10 minutes of the writers just waving a magic wand to try and distract us from the complex world they set up years before. Quintus, leeallen01 and Yavar Moradi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Why was Yara laughing at democracy anyway? Iron Islands. Kingsmoot. A. A. Ron and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, KK said: I liked the scene with Drogon burning the throne. Quite fitting. And there was indeed some nice fantasy imagery in the first half. People hated that too. Because it is an animal doing symbolism out of character. It wasn't a natural or credible response from an animal. And fuck that symbolism - the iron throne still exists! Just not that one. They just got a new King, didn't abolish the concept of it. So it was again ludicrous symbolism. Made for a cool shot but made zero sense. leeallen01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Incanus said: I was under the impression that HBO would have given them more time (seasons) and money but the showrunners declined because they had decided this series would be done after 8 seasons. Yeah i forgot to mention the funny thing is they decided to end the series, It was not forced by budget or anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pete 907 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 I'd been wondering since season 1 episode 1 how the actors stayed hydrated.https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/20/tv-shows/game-of-thrones-water-bottle-scli-intl/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,313 Posted May 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2019 No Inside the Episode for the finale? Bit disappointing ... maybe they're waiting a few days to upload it but I'd like to hear some insight into the writer's thoughts about how everything closes off. Overall I thought it was a solid season finale. Was pleasantly surprised by how many story threads were resolved in a single episode (and the ones that weren't really didn't need resolving). Loved that it finished right where it began -- north of the wall. Focusing on each of the surviving Starks was a great touch because, ultimately, it has proven to be their story. Jon's fate was bittersweet but also very fitting -- the Targaryen line dies with him, yet he will die a bastard. I would've liked these last 2 seasons to be their full 10 episodes but overall I'm pretty satisfied. I can also understand the showrunners' reluctance in prolonging the climax; if they only had the broad strokes of Martin's climax, it meant filling in more of the gaps themselves (and fans have spent years bitching about the show's divergences from the books, so I can understand their reluctance in that respect). Certainly makes me curious to discover how Martin's books finish... if he ever finishes them. What's the significance of non-adapted characters like Lady Stoneheart, I wonder? Oh yeah, and I loved that imagery of the dragon's wings unfurling behind Dany. Very nicely done moment, that one. Hats off to D&D! It wasn't the climax many expected, but it was one hell of a ride. Chen G., Thor and Yavar Moradi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, KK said: Its just frustrating to see how false Danny's death rings, because there was no dramatic arc around her rise and fall. There's certainly a rise and fall traejectory for the character across the series. Its just that, as you said, once she went mad, the showrunners didn't have the time to let it fester enough to make her death satisfying. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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