GAME OF THRONES

[toothless 963]

Djawadi score for this season is pretty great though. Listening now.

 

In a nutshell all production was great. Only to be let down by bad writing. But I think people will soon calm down and realize that a bad season does not ruin an entire show. This show was and is a massive achievement 

[Bilbo 3,709]

Just now, toothless said:

But I think people will soon calm down and realize that a bad season does not ruin an entire show. This show was and is a massive achievement 

 

Agreed. 

 

And while it wasn't as good as it it could have been I still don’t think this season was as bad as the Internet is making it out to be. 

 

But then again, the Internet isn’t exactly known for nuance. 

 

I haven’t had a chance to listen to the OST yet but I’m looking forward to it. 

 

It’s 2 hours long and nothing is listed as a bonus track. Do you think the CD release will have 2 discs?

[Holko 9,499]

Watching all those plotlines knowing they amount to basically nothing, would be forgotten, or any supposed effect of theirs will be overwritten by lazy inconsistencies and conveniences to rush to the cool visuals will not be fun though.

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7 hours ago, Stefancos said:

Daenerys has a theme?

 

This joke will never work! Harumph.

[Incanus 5,713]

All this moaning and heartache would have been averted if Tywin Lannister had lived. Charles Dance would have saved Westeros and made it great again!

[Holko 9,499]

The way this season has been going, halfway through he would've declared he never really cared about his legacy.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

3 minutes ago, Incanus said:

All this moaning and heartache would have been averted if Tywin Lannister had lived. Charles Dance would have saved Westeros!

 

[Arpy 4,145]

8 hours ago, Knox Harrington said:

 

Come on credit where credit is due.  Effective scoring that satisfied alot of fans.  That's hardly something to be scoffed at.

I've given credit to Djawadi on his other projects where his voice is stronger, here I think he didn't get a chance to move beyond background filler; If people find enjoyment in that, fine. 

[Holko 9,499]

https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/br2t0z/this_video_of_an_alternate_ending_wins_the/

 

[Quintus 5,399]

Me and some of the lads are getting together to make this the universal go-to meme for anything unwanted in life, from a hand me down denim jacket through to a cast off ex partner:

 

 

 

 

 

[Holko 9,499]

[Quintus 5,399]

Indiana Jones V

 

 

 

 

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

[crocodile 7,984]

10 hours ago, Quintus said:

 

Indeed. That was the last time I genuinely enjoyed the series.

 

Karol

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I enjoyed the Spoils of War

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

I liked Rome.

[Docteur Qui 1,544]

1 hour ago, Holko said:

The way this season has been going, halfway through he would've declared he never really cared about his legacy.

 

Joking aside, I took Jamie’s line about the common folk to be a bit of false bravado, his kingslayer persona coming through one last time. I don’t think it’s meant to be taken literally - he really did kill the king to save the people and did care for their fate - but the complex feelings he has about himself and Cersei ultimately betray him and lead him to his death. Not all addicts recover, and Jaimie’s relapse is a tragedy. It’s not the waste of an arc - he really did find redemption - but he’s also a fallible human. To me that’s very on-brand with this world.

 

[Arpy 4,145]

I could grant you Jaime could die in the same manner, returning to Cersei and both dying together, there's nothing wrong with that idea. It's just the way it played out in the amount of time it had. 

What needed to be developed was how it lead to that moment, of which is preceded in episode 5 via one single conversation:

 

Brienne: Where are you off to?

Jaime: I'll always be a conflicted guy, byeeeeeeeee

Brienne: *sobs*

 

Brienne's sense of loyalty and duty should've compelled her to stop Jaime, perhaps by following him?

 

 

[Docteur Qui 1,544]

Oh for sure, the execution wasn't graceful at all, and much of the nuance is lost when things move at such a fast pace, but I suspect that was the scene's intention.

 

Really, most of the criticisms that are being levelled at this season are the result of the execution of it which I totally agree with. But I'm not a fan all the bad-faith readings of the writers just having suddenly taken stupid pills. They're still the same writers that brought so much nuance to the earlier seasons, and they've continued to show a lot of that in the last few seasons. You just have to look for it a bit more.

[Quintus 5,399]

57 minutes ago, Docteur Qui said:

Oh for sure, the execution wasn't graceful at all, and much of the nuance is lost when things move at such a fast pace, but I suspect that was the scene's intention.

Really, most of the criticisms that are being levelled at this season are the result of the execution of it which I totally agree with.

 

 

 

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But I'm not a fan all the bad-faith readings of the writers just having suddenly taken stupid pills.

D&D took their eye off the ball and rushed the fuck out of it. Their writing is incompetent this season, take a look around, every thinks it. I've often heard incompetence and stupidity mentioned in the same breath before, haven't you?

 

 

 

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They're still the same writers that brought so much nuance to the earlier seasons

 

This is the root cause of the complaints and criticism. All quite justified.

[TheUlyssesian 2,473]

45 minutes ago, Docteur Qui said:

Oh for sure, the execution wasn't graceful at all, and much of the nuance is lost when things move at such a fast pace, but I suspect that was the scene's intention.

 

Really, most of the criticisms that are being levelled at this season are the result of the execution of it which I totally agree with. But I'm not a fan all the bad-faith readings of the writers just having suddenly taken stupid pills. They're still the same writers that brought so much nuance to the earlier seasons, and they've continued to show a lot of that in the last few seasons. You just have to look for it a bit more.

 

Does not compute. Great directors make shit too. Great writers write shit too. Nobody has a 100% strike rate.

 

So the same writers that delivered good seasons can also deliver garbage.

[Docteur Qui 1,544]

Eh I’m not going to engage with that. Incompetence and stupidity are incredibly strong words. They managed to finish a multi-million dollar production and concluded the storylines of dozens of characters. If you didn’t like it that’s fine, but they did the job. If they were truly incompetent then the season never would’ve made it to air. Have some perspective.

9 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said:

 

Does not compute. Great directors make shit too. Great writers write shit too. Nobody has a 100% strike rate.

 

So the same writers that delivered good seasons can also deliver garbage.

 

I’m not arguing that, but when there’s scenes that to my mind have a very clear message (like the one with Jaime) being misrepresented because of the “Dany forgot” meme I feel like people’s judgement is being clouded.

 

There’s some great writing to be found in these episodes, pardon me for trying to look past the major flaws so we can discuss them.

[Wojo 2,453]

2 hours ago, Arpy said:

Brienne's sense of loyalty and duty should've compelled her to stop Jaime, perhaps by following him?

It would be interesting if the story continued whether Ser Brienne was now carrying Ser Jaime's child from their single night. 

 

 

[Quintus 5,399]

He probably blew in her ass anyway, what with him being a gent an all.

[leeallen01 2,133]

Been listening to Djawadi's season 8 score. Some wonderful stuff in there. I'd say half of it is great and the other is filler.

 

He still writes great stuff after a decade, like this gem of religious choir perfoming Jon and Dany's theme.

 

 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

He impregnated his sister 4 times, if I'm not mistaken.

[mstrox 6,647]

Who, Djawadi?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Jaime!

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

So will hot chicks still list GoT as the only show they watch on their dating profiles?

[Disco Stu 15,495]

2 minutes ago, The Original said:

So will hot chicks still list GoT as the only show they watch on their dating profiles?

 

Now they will list only Ballers

[Wojo 2,453]

45 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

He impregnated his sister 4 times, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[bollemanneke 3,337]

Now, wait a moment... No vocal version of Old Jenny on the OST? Seriously?! This albu is 2 hours long and includes an abhorrent Rains of Castomere cover, but Old Jenny isn't here? That's just so typical.

[Bilbo 3,709]

14 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

Now, wait a moment... No vocal version of Old Jenny on the OST? Seriously?! This albu is 2 hours long and includes an abhorrent Rains of Castomere cover, but Old Jenny isn't here? That's just so typical.

 

Was very disappointed about that. 

 

Why is there another vocal Rains of Castamere that wasn’t even in the show? 

 

Serj absolutely murders it too

[bollemanneke 3,337]

Is this incompetence or a deliberate fuck you to potential buyers? The song crowd will love this.

[Bilbo 3,709]

13.6 watched the initial broadcast on HBO. 

 

19.3 when you add in HBO Go and Now. 

 

The most watched episode of the series (and HBO history). 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

14 minutes ago, Bilbo said:

Serj absolutely murders it too

 

He's having a bit of a moment, appearing on both the Thrones and Godzilla soundtracks in the same month.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

8 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

Is this incompetence or a deliberate fuck you to potential buyers? The song crowd will love this.

 

Perhaps they didn't have the rights to use vocal recordings of the cast?

[bollemanneke 3,337]

If that's the case, I have even mroe reasons to hate everything about the industry. This is utterly absurd.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Or it could be a union thing?

[Bilbo 3,709]

1 hour ago, Disco Stu said:

 

He's having a bit of a moment, appearing on both the Thrones and Godzilla soundtracks in the same month.

 Y tho?

 

Toxicity was a loooooong time ago

[Quintus 5,399]

 

[Wojo 2,453]

In the end, GOT observed the cardinal directions:

 

Jon went north,

Drogon went east,

Arya went west,

The show went south.

[Marian Schedenig 8,173]

Well. After the previous few episodes (and the past two seasons in general), this wasn't so bad. Nowhere near the level of the earlier seasons, but certainly better than expected (the current IMDb rating of 4.4 when even the previous episodes got 5.7 and 6.3 is laughable). I wouldn't hesitate to say that I liked it, for what it was.

 

At least what did get resolved was resolved in a largely satisfactory manner, and distilled into rough plot points, it mostly makes sense. As has been said above, it's the execution that's several steps behind. Still, it manages to give some positive closure to a series that was a far cry from its former glory in recent times.

 

The music, I have to say, was as lame as always, The über-simple main theme doesn't get any better if you double it verbatim with a unisono choir. There were a few bits and pieces throughout the years that were nice enough, but overall I'd say the musical content of all the seasons' scores put together amounts to perhaps two bars of an a-cappella Bach chorale.

 

 

On 5/20/2019 at 3:03 PM, KK said:

Its just frustrating to see how false Danny's death rings, because there was no dramatic arc around her rise and fall.

 

I still think a season dedicated to the Mad Queen could have done wonders for the show.

 

I don't think it rings false, and I definitely think a full season with Mad Dany would have been way too much, at least without a very different overall plot plan (and especially if the writing was on the same level it has been lately). And her madness and megalomania definitely didn't come out of nowhere. But some more time with Mad Dany could certainly have things more impactful and interesting to watch.

On 5/20/2019 at 3:10 PM, Disco Stu said:

1. Sam suggesting democracy and getting laughed at was way too meta for this show.

 

That was where, after a rather solid part, the writing became rather obviously flat and "fan service over sincerity"-ish again. Just like Edmure Tully's little speech was essentially played for laughs, when it obviously was supposed to be a serious matter (rather like Gimli's "funny" antics in moments of crisis). Same with the small council meeting, which had its charming moments, but at the same time felt like a D&D session. And what the hell did Bronn do there? Sure, they could have argued that he has a claim to a political role, and used it to as a means to show that in the end, nothing has really changed and the new regime is just as bad as the old ones - but they didn't seem to want to give that impression at all, it was all just played for laughs.

On 5/20/2019 at 3:14 PM, TheUlyssesian said:

And fuck that symbolism - the iron throne still exists! Just not that one. They just got a new King, didn't abolish the concept of it. So it was again ludicrous symbolism. Made for a cool shot but made zero sense.

 

Well, not really. The iron throne was a symbol for the old line of kings, inherited or achieved through violence, essentially a symbol of tyranny. The new king is elected by the nobility, the system possibly changing from a more autocratic form of monarchy to a more constitutional one.

On 5/20/2019 at 5:17 PM, Holko said:

Everything she did over in Essos was for freeing he slaves and protecting the innocent. Everything. How does that build up her switch to absolute nut destroying a city murdering countless innocent civilians?

 

Because doing abhorrent things for good reasons doesn't make you a good person, especially if you've never been able to identify good reasons to begin with and don't intend to stop doing abhorrent things. Seriously, Dany's instability is about as unsurprising as the corruption affair that just toppled the Austrian government (which in both cases doesn't stop people from complaining who completely unforeseeable it supposedly was).

On 5/20/2019 at 9:43 PM, leeallen01 said:

Did anyone notice that Jon spoke to Greyworm about all the murder, then went to Dany to talk to her about it, and Greyworm was already there. Did he teleport?

 

That was confusing as hell. Might point to some significant change in post production. Sloppy editing in any case.

[Quintus 5,399]

Bronn showing up on the king's council at the end was the epitome of this final season's aptitude to completely misfire. If anything demonstrated how bad it had gotten, it was that character, appointed master of coin. Lmao

[Wojo 2,453]

The teleporting Grey Worm was probably the result of a cut scene. When Jon leaves the earlier scene, he's with Ser Davos. Then he takes a long walk alone through the army to the stairs. I'd like to think he went somewhere with Davos while Grey Worm finished his slicing, giving him time to change positions. 

 

 

I wonder where Gilly and Lil Sam are now that Sam is Grand Maester of KL. 

4 minutes ago, Quintus said:

Bronn showing up on the king's council at the end was the epitome of this final season's aptitude to completely misfire. If anything demonstrated how bad it had gotten, it was that character, appointed master of coin. Lmao

 

They needed a scene to establish that Bronn finally got his castle and was happy. The final debt showed to be paid by a Lannister. If anything, it shows the olive branches granted after the death of Cersei and the departure of the foreign would-be conquerors. 

[Quintus 5,399]

Plenty of broken shows and movies also needed scenes to show things better, but it didn't happen. Thus, nobody remembers them as being good.

 

Even with that said, Bronn on the king's council, and as master of coin no less... Lmao

[Marian Schedenig 8,173]

6 minutes ago, xWxzek said:

They needed a scene to establish that Bronn finally got his castle and was happy. The final debt showed to be paid by a Lannister. If anything, it shows the olive branches granted after the death of Cersei and the departure of the foreign would-be conquerors. 

 

They could have just never dug him out at all this season and then they wouldn't have had to bother showing his reward. If anything, it just shows that the new regime is just as unqualified and egotistic as earlier ones, which as I said I don't think was what they meant to show.

 

BTW, while I'll very carefully consider any spinoffs before I devote time to them, I guess I would watch an Arya Goes West series. Though I'd rather see Maisie Williams do other projects.

[Quintus 5,399]

Ruthless Arya turned out to be another waste of time tbh. Travelling the weeks it takes to get from Winterfell to King's Landing, her ultimate target vulnerable and and within spitting distance, only to change her mind about it all almost as easy as Ringworm would about Jon a bit later on. Everyone is so open to persuasion in this; Obi Wan wouldn't even break a sweat with these walkovers.

[TheUlyssesian 2,473]

1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said:

Well, not really. The iron throne was a symbol for the old line of kings, inherited or achieved through violence, essentially a symbol of tyranny. The new king is elected by the nobility, the system possibly changing from a more autocratic form of monarchy to a more constitutional one.

 

There is nothing remotely "constitutional" about the way Bran was elected. There isn't even a constitution. Perhaps the word you were looking for is democracy which doesn't apply wither since within the council, Sam explicitly proposes democracy and is laughed off by everybody. It is still very much monarchy with the difference being they chose from among a dozen lords or kings.

 

So honestly, not really meaningful change.

[Marian Schedenig 8,173]

9 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said:

There is nothing remotely "constitutional" about the way Bran was elected. There isn't even a constitution. Perhaps the word you were looking for is democracy which doesn't apply wither since within the council, Sam explicitly proposes democracy and is laughed off by everybody. It is still very much monarchy with the difference being they chose from among a dozen lords or kings.

 

Not democracy, obviously. I did mean a constitutional monarchy. I imagine they might have had a form of constitution before (the council does seem to have had a fixed set of basic rules), but if they want to ensure that Bran's successor is again elected by the nobility, that would be at least one more set of constitutional rules and laws.