GAME OF THRONES

[Wojo 2,453]

Bran could live for a thousand years. Long enough to develop spaceflight in Westeros. 

[Arpy 4,145]

If Bran's eyes flickered blue at the end, it might've added some explanation to as why he is so cold and chilling.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Presumably he one day must “train” the next Three Eyed Raven.  Is that person also going to be the monarch I wonder?  Does he consider being king and Raven as separate duties?

[Arpy 4,145]

Peasant 1: 'Yay, all hail King Bran!'

 

Peasant 2: 'Wait, what did he do?'

 

Peasant 1: 'Um, I think the Song of Ice and Fire that the ArchMaester owns says he killed the Ice King or whatever it was and basically saved all of Westeros.'

 

Peasant 2: 'Ice King?

 

Peasant 1: 'Yeah, apparently it threatened all the realm, but he stopped it in the nick of time...

...yeah, I don't believe it either...'

 

Peasant 2: 'Well at least we don't have a strange mystical king who might be an infernal contraption of the devil'.

 

Peasant 1: 'Oh, yeah, definitely. He's so lifelike and insanely sociable!'

 

 

[leeallen01 2,133]

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Star Trek is way cooler than Game of Thrones.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

25 minutes ago, The Original said:

Star Trek is way cooler than Game of Thrones.

 

This is something ive always known.

[Quintus 5,399]

The Orville is way cooler than both. And that show is geeky AF tbh.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

We'll see in 50 years!

[Quintus 5,399]

I'll be gone by then, but congrats if you win.

[KK 3,307]

Just stumbled onto this proposal letter that apparently outlined Martin's original intentions with the books when he was looking for a publisher. This might have been posted here already, but sharing it anyway.

 

He basically suggests that Jon, Arya, Bran, Daenerys and Tyrion would survive throughout the series, and that Jon, Arya and Tyrion would have been involved in some sort of love triangle...

 

 

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Dear Ralph,

 

Here are the first thirteen chapters (170 pages) of the high fantasy novel I promised you, which I'm calling 'A Game of Thrones.' When completed, this will be the first volume in what I see as an epic trilogy with the overall title, 'A Song of Ice and Fire.'

 

As you know, I don't outline my novels. I find that if I know exactly where a book is going, I lose all interest in writing it. I do, however, have some strong notions as to the overall structure of the story I'm telling, and the eventual fate of many of the principle characters in the drama. Roughly speaking, there are three major conflicts set in motion in the chapters enclosed. These will form the major plot threads of the trilogy, [unclear] each other in what should be a complex but exciting (I hope [unclear] tapestry. Each of the [unclear] presents a major threat [unclear] of my imaginary realm, the Seven Kingdoms, and to the live [unclear] principal characters.

 

The first threat grows from the emnity between the great houses of Lannister and Stark as it plays out in a cycle of plot, counterplot, ambition, murder, and revenge, with the iron throne of the Seven Kingdoms as the ultimate prize. This will form the backbone of the first volume of the trilogy, A Game of Thrones.

 

While the lion of Lannister and the direwolf of Stark snarl and scrap, however, a second and greater threat takes shape across the narrow sea, where the Dothraki horselords mass their barbarian hordes for a great invasion of the Seven Kingdoms, led by the fierce and beautiful Daenerys Stormborn, the last of the Targaryen dragonlords. The Dothraki invasion will be the central story of my second volume, A Dance with Dragons.

 

The greatest danger of all, however, comes from the north, from the icy wastes beyond the Wall, where half-forgotten demons out of legend, the inhuman others, raise cold legions of the undead and the neverborn and prepare to ride down on the winds of winter to extinguish everything that we would call "life." The only thing that stands between the Seven Kingdoms and an endless night is the Wall, and a handful of men in black called the Night's Watch. Their story will be [sic] heart of my third volume, The Winds of Winter. The final battle will also draw together characters and plot threads left from the first two books and resolve all in one huge climax.

 

The thirteen chapters on hand should give you a notion as to my narrative strategy. All three books will feature a complex mosaic of intercutting points-of-view among various of my large and diverse cast of players. The cast will not always remain the same. Old characters will die, and new ones will be introduced. Some of the fatalities will include sympathetic viewpoint characters. I want the reader to feel that no one is ever completely safe, not even the characters who seem to be the heroes. The suspense always ratchets up a notch when you know that any character can die at any time.

--

Five central characters will make it through all three volumes, however, growing from children to adults and changing the world and themselves in the process. In a sense, my trilogy is almost a generational saga, telling the life stories of these five characters, three men and two women. The five key players are Tyrion Lannister, Daenerys Targaryen, and three of the children of Winterfell, Arya, Bran, and the bastard Jon Snow. All of them are introduced at some length in the chapters you have to hand.

 

This is going to be (I hope) quite an epic. Epic in its scale, epic in its action, and epic in its length. I see all three volumes as big books, running about 700 to 800 manuscript pages, so things are just barely getting underway in the thirteen chapters I've sent you.

 

I have quite a clear notion of how the story is going to unfold in the first volume, A Game of Thrones. Things will get a lot worse for the poor Starks before they get better, I'm afraid. Lord Eddard Stark and his wife Catelyn Tully are both doomed, and will perish at the hands of their enemies. Ned will discover what happened to his friend Jon Arryn, [unclear] can act on his knowledge [unclear] will have an unfortunate accident, and the throne will [unclear] to [unclear] and brutal [unclear] Joffrey [unclear] still a minor. Joffrey will not be sympathetic and Ned [what appears to say] will be accused of treason, but before he is taken he will help his wife and his daughter Arya escape back to Winterfell.

 

Each of the contending families will learn it has a member of dubious loyalty in its midst. Sansa Stark, wed to Joffrey Baratheon, will bear him a son, the heir to the throne, and when the crunch comes she will choose her husband and child over her parents and siblings, a choice she will later bitterly rue. Tyrion Lannister, meanwhile, will befriend both Sansa and her sister Arya, while growing more and more disenchanted with his own family.

 

Young Bran will come out of his coma, after a strange prophetic dream, only to discover that he will never walk again. He will turn to magic, at first in the hope of restoring his legs, but later for its own sake. When his father Eddard Stark is executed, Bran will see the shape of doom descending on all of them, but nothing he can say will stop his brother Robb from calling the banners in rebellion. All the north will be inflamed by war. Robb will win several splendid victories, and maim Joffrey Baratheon on the battlefield, but in the end he will not be able to stand against Jaime and Tyrion Lannister and their allies. Robb Stark will die in battle, and Tyrion Lannister will besiege and burn Winterfell.

 

Jon Snow, the bastard, will remain in the far north. He will mature into a ranger of great daring, and ultimately will succeed his uncle as the commander of the Night's Watch. When Winterfell burns, Catelyn Stark will be forced to flee north with her son Bran and her daughter Arya. Wounded by Lannister riders, they will seek refuge at the Wall, but the men of the Night's Watch give up their families when they take the black, and Jon and Benjen will not be able to help, to Jon's anguish. It will lead to a bitter estrangement between Jon and Bran. Arya will be more forgiving ... until she realizes, with terror, that she has fallen in love with Jon, who is not only her half-brother but a man of the Night's Watch, sworn to celibacy. Their passion will continue to torment Jon and Arya throughout the trilogy, until the secret of Jon's true parentage is finally revealed in the last book.

--

Abandoned by the Night's Watch, Catelyn and her children will find their only hope of safety lies even further north, beyond the Wall, where they fall into the hands of Mance Rayder, the King-beyond-the-Wall, and get a dreadful glimpse of the inhuman others as they attack the wilding encampment. Bran's magic, Arya's sword Needle, and the savagery of their direwolves will help them survive, but their mother Catelyn will die at the hands of the others.

 

Over across the narrow sea, Daenerys Targaryen will discover that her new husband, the Dothraki Khal Drogo, has little interest in invading the Seven Kingdoms, much to her brother's frustration. When Viserys presses his claims past the point of tact or wisdom, Khal Drogo will finally grow annoyed and kill him out of hand, eliminating the Targaryen pretender and leaving Daenerys as the last of her line. Danerys [sic] will bide her time, but she will not forget. When the moment is right, she will kill her husband to avenge her brother, and then flee with a trusted friend into the wilderness beyond Vaes Dothrak. There, hunted by [unclear] of her life, she stumbles on a [something about dragon eggs] a young dragon will give Daenerys [unclear] bend [unclear] to her will. Then she begins to plan for her invasion of the Seven Kingdoms.

 

Tyrion Lannister will continue to travel, to plot, and to play the game of thrones, finally removing his nephew Joffrey in disgust at the boy king's brutality. Jaime Lannister will follow Joffrey on the throne of the Seven Kingdoms, by the simple expedient of killing everyone ahead of him in the line of succession and blaming his brother Tyrion for the murders. Exiled, Tyrion will change sides, making common cause with the surviving Starks to bring his brother down, and falling helplessly in love with Arya Stark while he's at it. His passion is, alas, unreciprocated, but no less intense for that, and it will lead to a deadly rivalry between Tyrion and Jon Snow.

[The next graph is blocked out.]

 

But that's the second book ...

 

I hope you will find some editors who are as excited about all of this as I am. Feel free to share this letter with anyone who wants to know how the story will go.

All best,

George R.R. Martin

 

https://www.insider.com/game-of-thrones-original-story-2017-8

[Jay 37,287]

Yea that's very old news, though I don't know if its specifically been discussed here on JWFan or not

[TheUlyssesian 2,473]

There has always been fascination and confusion about who were really the main characters of the series. I think at the end of it, we can kinda look back and see it in such a way. 

 

Main Protagonists - 4 Stark Siblings (Sansa, Arya, Bran and Jon Snow - even though a Targayren he identifies and is recognized as a Stark) & Tyrion Lannister

Main Antagonists - Cersei Lannister & Dany

 

These are the 7 characters that spanned all the 8 seasons and were consequentially materially involved in the two main plots the series covers - the control for the 7 kingdoms and the battler against the undead.

 

Sansa and Bran - split the 7 kingdoms between them 1 and 6

Arya - kills the night king

Cersei - gets the plot going by putting her son on the throne and then herself eventually

Dany - wages a long war and eventually wins the thrones by defeating Cersei

Jon - murders Dany and triggers a succession

Tyrion - kingmakers, puts Bran on the throne

 

Jaime does not seem to be a major player in either of the 2 main plots. 

 

(Also if you think about it Jon's true parentage does not affect the outcome of the main story in the slightest. So all of that was basically a red herring.)

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

I thought Dany was meant to be a goodie.

[Wojo 2,453]

16 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said:

Also if you think about it Jon's true parentage does not affect the outcome of the main story in the slightest. So all of that was basically a red herring.

 

Wrong. 

 

Jon's parentage is not relevant regarding who he is the son of, but rather, who he is not the son of. 

 

He's roughly the same age as Robb Stark. I did a little online sleuthing and cannot find a definitive answer as to who is older. Catelyn hates Jon because he represents her husband's alleged infidelity, but he also would be a threat to trueborn Robb's claim to Ned's inheritance were he to be legitimized. When Robb dies in combat, Jon needs to be out of the way by way of his vows instead of just waiting.

 

Since Jon is a bastard and cannot inherit Winterfell, he is sent to Castle Black to give book audiences a POV character at the Wall to witness The Others/White Walkers.

 

The fact that he is Targaryen is a dangling carrot for the audience to hope that he will someday take the Iron Throne, but he is more important as a bitter pill for his Queen. She loves him but she loves her ambition more, and cannot accept him as a rival with all the political baggage it carries. If Mad Queen Dany had been given more time to steep, this would have been more obvious. 

[mstrox 6,647]

Entire threads have been built up, only to be snuffed out on Game of Thrones without relevance to the endgame.  The Red Wedding ended the drawn out Robbb plot from the first few seasons.  Just because they don't play into the endgame doesn't mean that the information/characters/plot doesn't inform the surviving characters.  They help put other things into motion.

 

Jon's lineage informed not only his trajectory, but Bran's, Sansa's, Varys', Tyrion's, and most importantly Dany.  His lineage was another pressure for her politically and another barrier for her personally.

[Quintus 5,399]

[Jay 37,287]

55 minutes ago, Quintus said:

 

 

I already posted almost this exact same thing my friend

 

 

 

On 5/20/2019 at 5:59 PM, Jay said:

[Quintus 5,399]

Ah my bad.

[Wojo 2,453]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

All the unsullied actually have groins on GOT.

[Wojo 2,453]

Then they're sullied. 

[bollemanneke 3,337]

If anyone's interested, apparently an official vocal version of Jenny of Oldstones does exist on iTunes/Spotify/something else.

[Bilbo 3,709]

43 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

If anyone's interested, apparently an official vocal version of Jenny of Oldstones does exist on iTunes/Spotify/something else.

 

Its been on streaming services since episode 2 aired. The one by Florence and the Machine

[Quintus 5,399]

AKA the world's worst Brit band.

[Arpy 4,145]

She's more machine than man now.

[Jay 37,287]

I saw this on reddit and chuckled

 

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Season 1-4: Adaptation of the books
Season 5-6: Fan fiction of the books
Season 7-8: Fan fiction of the show

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Very apt!

[Wojo 2,453]

It's the truth. The characters got stupid.

 

If GRRM ever finishes the books, I'd like to see a reinterpretation in my lifetime. 

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

So I'm now watching the first episode of The Game of Thrones.

 

Is 006 wearing a wig in this? Are these Stark people ancestors of Tony Stark's?

[Jay 37,287]

Yes.

 

No.

[Quintus 5,399]

Sean Bean dies at the end.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

6 minutes ago, Quintus said:

Sean Bean dies at the end.

 

I'm pretty spoiler immune on this since I've already read everything online.

[TheUlyssesian 2,473]

23 hours ago, mstrox said:

Entire threads have been built up, only to be snuffed out on Game of Thrones without relevance to the endgame.  The Red Wedding ended the drawn out Robbb plot from the first few seasons.  Just because they don't play into the endgame doesn't mean that the information/characters/plot doesn't inform the surviving characters.  They help put other things into motion.

 

Jon's lineage informed not only his trajectory, but Bran's, Sansa's, Varys', Tyrion's, and most importantly Dany.  His lineage was another pressure for her politically and another barrier for her personally.

 

I am thinking more in terms of tightening everything up. Otherwise, this was a rambling story with several loose ends that went nowhere. 

 

Now that the entire plot has been unfurled, it could be adapted into a trilogy of films for the control of the empire. An epic LOTR like fantasy series.

 

Movie 1: Cersei becomes the primary plotter, as she has husband Baratheon, John Arryn and Ned Stark eliminated to put her son on the throne and start the Lannister dynasty. (Subplots are Stark children in exile and Dany discovering she has dragons and starting her own campaign.)

 

Movie 2: Battle of 5 kings as other houses oppose Cersei and there is a long drawn out battle in which Cersei's children die as well. The movie ends with Cersei destroying all her enemies and sitting on the throne herself. (Subplots are Stark children gain a following and Dany gains a following too and the two of them forge an alliance.)

 

Movie 3: Combined forces of Dany and Stark children battle Cersei for the empire and Cersei is destroyed and Dany ends up on the throne by the mid-point. The second half is about her devolution and madness and her eventual murder by Jon Snow. In the end, the Stark children split the empire between them.

 

So there you have it. Cut out the Night king plot, cut out the extraneous characters and houses. Cut out the useless dead ends and raven and what not the parentage drama. Make a stream-lined series with plenty of battle scenes and give the extended time to develop characters across the trilogy including laying seeds for Dany's madness in Movie 1 itself so that the second half of movie 3 when she succumbs to madness is more striking and poignant.

 

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

PHWWOOAAR they showed Amilia Clark in the nuddy, no wai!!! 

 

Aquaman's in this?

 

So in this show, what year is it?

[mstrox 6,647]

The series covers an entire era - it starts in June of 1972 when The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars was released, and ends in March of 1975 with the release of Young Americans.

[Alex 2,833]

I’m still furious that Samwell Tarly lasted until the end. He’s the luckiest man in Westeros.

[Holko 9,499]

Killing him would be fatshaming!

[Wojo 2,453]

2 hours ago, Holko said:

Killing him would be fatshaming!

 

The show already killed Hodor, which counts as fatshaming and slowpersonshaming. 

[Jay 37,287]

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

This Daneres chick and her brother, are they human? Or are they elves?

[Quintus 5,399]

The lengths people will go to to make a meme these days.

[Bilbo 3,709]

26 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

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[Wojo 2,453]

27 minutes ago, The Original said:

This Daneres chick and her brother, are they human? Or are they elves?

 

Are they human? Or are they dancer 

Their sign is vital, their hands are cold

[mstrox 6,647]

Spider-man's secretary was named Jon Snow.  Jon Snow's secretary was named Spider-man.

[KK 3,307]

3 minutes ago, Bilbo said:

 

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Or rather...

 

[Jay 37,287]

Well, I thought it was funny

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Starktown looks like a leftover set from Stargate Atlantis.

[Wojo 2,453]

Hallowed are the Ori. 

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

006 killed a puppy dog. What's his problem?!