Wojo 2,453 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 When you follow these intelligent and compelling characters for six seasons, only to watch them turn into dumb dumbs in the last two... When you hope that the slow buildup of Jon's true lineage has a grand impact on the story but it doesn't... It kinda leaves a bitter taste and sours the entire series' run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,397 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 It doesn't even have any real impact on Jon as far as we see, while seeking a true belonging was his thing the whole time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 He belonged with the Night's Watch, and expanded into the freezing north. He didn't want the world. Perfect ending. Docteur Qui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Are the books a good read? They're not like bloody LOTR in that drawn out writing style, are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 The first three books are great! They are thick, but page turners, IMO. I like the later books, but I can not recommend them as unreservedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 On 8/24/2019 at 9:13 AM, Thekthithm said: He belonged with the Night's Watch, and expanded into the freezing north. He didn't want the world. Perfect ending. Yeah but he should have had a certain blonde with him as they left ungrateful Westeros to rot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dixon Hill said: Yeah but he should have had a certain blonde with him as they left ungrateful Westeros to rot. She had to die. There was no other way. Docteur Qui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 You're wrong. How could you even say that?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 She's a Targaryan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 She was clearly nuts. Her fate was sealed the moment (early in the series) when she committed to the idea that she was a saviour or liberator and believed her own propaganda. And the deaths of friendzone guy, the black chick and two of her dragons led to the revelation of her true colours. Docteur Qui and crocodile 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Drax drank the Benioff/Weiss Kool Aid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 I don't really know or care who wrote what. I'm just viewing this series holistically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,930 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, Thekthithm said: She was clearly nuts. Her fate was sealed the moment (early in the series) when she committed to the idea that she was a saviour or liberator and believed her own propaganda. Yes, I always thought just that. Karol Docteur Qui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Such a sad arc. Its apparently pointless to try and escape your family legacy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Stefancos said: Such a sad arc. Its apparently pointless to try and escape your family legacy! Bit too bleak for me. Just one of many things that have tarnished it all but at least Drax enjoyed himself. There are a few good quotes to throw around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Such a sad arc. Its apparently pointless to try and escape your family legacy! It's a Shakespearean tragedy really. She made an honest attempt at breaking the Targaryan mould, but in her vain effort to "break the wheel", she was simply carrying on business as usual. If Jon hadn't terminated her, she would've just ruled as another Cersei, only devastatingly worse. I disagree with TGP that this was a bleak ending. Sure, it revealed what she really was, but the story was never really about her anyway. She was merely a stand-in for false-messiahs and the effects of fanaticism. And killing her led to the hopeful ending where the more level-headed characters govern in the first babysteps toward a constitutional monarchy, and the Stark kids get their bittersweet endings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 The idea that the unfeeling and all knowing is the most suited to rule rubs me the wrong way and it didn't seem to me that there was any movement towards some better form of government after that ridiculous council laughed away any suggestion of such a thing. I reckon they'll all be at each others' throats again soon enough starting with the northerners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,397 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 While Bran the Broken will have no interest about bettering the realm, he'll just... look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Dixon Hill said: The idea that the unfeeling and all knowing is the most suited to rule rubs me the wrong way and it didn't seem to me that there was any movement towards some better form of government after that ridiculous council laughed away any suggestion of such a thing. I reckon they'll all be at each others' throats again soon enough starting with the northerners. Oh sure, the writing felt very self-aware about the council's response to the idea of democracy. Clearly these people aren't ready for it yet. But Bran obviously takes a wheel back into a figurehead role, while the governing body led by Tyrion will strive for greater moderation. Small steps, not giant leaps – especially for these backward medieval types! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Just kind of a milquetoast political ending in my view. Benevolent Daenerys or even Tyrant Daenerys actually effecting some huge change would have been more interesting but instead we get this half baked poli sci shit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 To me, it felt like it had parallels to the Battle of Berlin, with Danerys as the destructive Soviet liberators, the new council representing the formation of the United Nations, and Bran's implied ability to control the remaining dragon representing America's newly found atomic power, and the dilemmas in controling and using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Bran always had a “boy Arthur” vibe about him, but, it really came out of left field, I thought, the idea of him ruling in King’s Landing. The show’s whole thing of he’s “not a Stark anymore,” or whatever, made no sense, especially since his powers totally, totally are based on his being The Stark in Winterfell (in fact the show hints that he time-traveled back and built Winterfell in the first place - that he is Bran the Builder himself). So I figured as rightful heir of Winterfell he would naturally rule there. The Daenerys thing I think will make more sense to people over time as it becomes known that she was always meant to be an evil dragon queen, and GOT is really a story of how the villain became evil. However, it was really weakly handled in the show. So, back when she’s in Meereen and she’s been trying to make peace work, and then she decides fuck it, and climbs on Drogon’s back and flies away, that’s the point at which she chooses war. But I think the viewer at that point is like, GOOD! fuck this Meereen shit, let’s leave this shithole behind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 There's a real Anakin Skywalker vibe about her. I think though viewers blindly sided with her just because she's hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,467 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Pellaeon said: Bran always had a “boy Arthur” vibe about him, but, it really came out of left field, I thought, the idea of him ruling in King’s Landing. The show’s whole thing of he’s “not a Stark anymore,” or whatever, made no sense, especially since his powers totally, totally are based on his being The Stark in Winterfell (in fact the show hints that he time-traveled back and built Winterfell in the first place - that he is Bran the Builder himself). So I figured as rightful heir of Winterfell he would naturally rule there. The Daenerys thing I think will make more sense to people over time as it becomes known that she was always meant to be an evil dragon queen, and GOT is really a story of how the villain became evil. However, it was really weakly handled in the show. So, back when she’s in Meereen and she’s been trying to make peace work, and then she decides fuck it, and climbs on Drogon’s back and flies away, that’s the point at which she chooses war. But I think the viewer at that point is like, GOOD! fuck this Meereen shit, let’s leave this shithole behind! What you say sound gradual, something that should have been possible to portray well in 73 hours. Yet they showed it in 15 minutes. That's the problem. It was so poorly developed that it was undeveloped. She went from hero to villain in like 60 seconds. The prequel trilogy is basically a story about how a villain became evil and even at 6 hours or however long it is, they did a more convincing job than GOT did in 12 times the amount of time. Danerys should have been a grey character throughout. They portrayed her as too sympathetic for the ending to work. And for that reason the ending is a failure. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 GRRM shot himself in the foot, it's as simple as that. He started a story, handed it off to people to adapt with some major differences, and then didn't finish it, with something presumably being thrown together for the show from the bullet points of the outcome of his now rather different trajectory. I don't think he can get the ending right, and he realizes it, and now the cat is kind of out of the bag. He has too many "principles," too many things he doesn't want to do, tropes he wants to subvert...you can only continue to tell a worthwhile story with those restrictions for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 The delay between books was already excruciating before ever the TV adaptation was agreed upon. The math just never made sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 At least he takes his time rather than rushing out half-arsed drafts like that Harry Potter writer does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 38 minutes ago, Thekthithm said: There's a real Anakin Skywalker vibe about her. I think though viewers blindly sided with her just because she's hot. Kat Timpf will play her in the sequel after she gets brought back to life and you'll become a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Just now, Dixon Hill said: Kat Timpf will play her in the sequel after she gets brought back to life and you'll become a fan. Khateesi, the Mother of Cats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,259 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Djawadi won the Creative Emmy Award for Outstanding Music Composition for a Series for his score for the episode "The Long Night". https://indiewire.com/2019/09/2019-creative-arts-emmys-winners-list-1202173604/ Not a fan of the music of this episode. It won just because of the piano piece The Night King, which HBO (and Djawadi) promoted the hell of on internet, but that cue sounded like they were trying to repeat the success of Light of the Seven from S6. I'm not sure if a piano combined with the Night King or the situation it appeared. Anyway, there were much better scores this season, specially for the series finale, which had some great music. S8 wasn't exactly Djawadi's peak on his work on the series, I felt he fared much better on seasons 5, 6 and specially 7. That said, the other contenders for the category weren't exactly, well, outstanding. I don' watch Barry or This Is Us, so I don't know how their music is like, but I can't remember a single note of the music of the nominated episodes of House of Cards (the series finale) and The Handmaid's Tale (season 2 finale). Also, GOT won a huge amount of Creative Emmys as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 In any other era of mass media scoring work this would have been considered average and barely worth a mention, but as if stands and with the current state of the craft, Djawadi's effort is the best thing since sliced bread. _deleted_ and Bilbo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 25 minutes ago, Quintus said: In any other era of mass media scoring work this would have been considered average and barely worth a mention, but as if stands and with the current state of the craft, Djawadi's effort is the best thing since sliced bread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 It's amazing that as terrible as Season 8 was received, it still managed to win 10 Creative Arts Emmys ‘Game of Thrones’ Dominates at the Creative Arts Emmy Awards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 It was the second best season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,515 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Edmilson said: S8 wasn't exactly Djawadi's peak on his work on the series, I felt he fared much better on seasons 5, 6 and specially 7. In terms of score, 6 > 5 > 4 > 3 > 7 > 8 > 2 > 1 IMO anyway. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_deleted_ 203 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Season 1-7: I am Daenerys Stormborn, of House Targaryen, of the blood of Old Valyria – I am the Dragon’s Daughter. And I swear to you, that those who would harm you will die screaming. Season 8: Hey y'all, Crazy Dany's in town! Dixon Hill and Arpy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted September 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 hours ago, A Ghost From Highwood said: Season 1-7: I am Daenerys Stormborn, of House Targaryen, of the blood of Old Valyria – I am the Dragon’s Daughter. And I swear to you, that those who would harm you will die screaming. Season 8: Hey y'all, Crazy Dany's in town! 2 hours ago, A Ghost From Highwood said: will die screaming 2 hours ago, A Ghost From Highwood said: will die screaming nope nothing crazy about this Dixon Hill, _deleted_, Bilbo and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 A leader promising her followers retribution against their enemies is crazy, and lays the groundwork for a city wide massacre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,612 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 The desire for bloody retribution is crazy. Docteur Qui and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I ain't fer it, I'm a'gin it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 hours ago, mstrox said: The desire for bloody retribution is crazy. Really? Seems par for the course for their world, and not all that outrageous for ours if justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,042 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 On 7/16/2019 at 2:40 PM, Jay said: Unbelievably, Game of Thrones Season 8 has received a whopping FIFTEEN EMMY NOMINATIONS!!! https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/emmys-2019-nominations-complete-list-1203268665/ Most shockingly is a Best Writing nomination for Benioff & Weiss (for the finale), and THREE Best Directing nominations (for episodes 3, 4, and 6) Wow! Well GOT lost in every acting category except for Dinklage winning again. It lost Best Writing to Succession and Best Directing to Ozark Best Drama coming up in a bit And season 8 wins best drama series Benioff and Weiss twice mentioned how I experienced they were when GRRM hired them lol. He's on stage with everyone. Wow Gwendolyn Christie is seriously taller than anyone else on stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,467 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 It showed great weakness that it lost writing and directing. I think support was split across multiple other shows. If one contender had emerged to challenge it, it would have lost as seen by the upsets galore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Waller Bridge winning over Louis Dreyfus snapped quite an impressive streak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 No win for Reek?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 How can you win best drama series and not win for writing and directing: two of the most important factors when discussing the success of a show? Sure the actors can polish a turd, and the cinematography can carry boring scenes, but it's meaningless without direction and scripting! Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 42 minutes ago, Arpy said: How can you win best drama series and not win for writing and directing: two of the most important factors when discussing the success of a show? Sure the actors can polish a turd, and the cinematography can carry boring scenes, but it's meaningless without direction and scripting! Separate categories for recognition of achievement in certain disciplines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,467 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Arpy said: How can you win best drama series and not win for writing and directing: two of the most important factors when discussing the success of a show? Sure the actors can polish a turd, and the cinematography can carry boring scenes, but it's meaningless without direction and scripting! At the Oscars at it unimaginable for a film to win Best Picture without winning atleast a writing or directing award, atleast one if not both. In the past 70 years at the Oscars, only 1 film has won best picture without winning either a writing or directing award - Chicago. That's it. Every other best picture winner in the past 70 years won atleast one. So I agree it is quite rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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