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Likewise I take your point that KOTCS was just a rubbish script that would have sucked regardless of locations, but their refusal to film outside the US was more a reflection of how lazily Spielberg treated that movie. And the script was clearly informed by that mindset. 

 

You would write a completely different story if you knew they were prepared to film globally. There were clearly caveats placed on Koepp to only have locations which could be doubled by US locations or backlots. The rest was filled in by CGI, which they assured us wouldn't happen. 

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I am worried that even if they try, they won't accomplish "a great movie". A decent one, worth watching once or twice, like KOTCS—yes. But not a worthy ending to the saga.

 

Of course there are some things that could work, but I doubt those whoever screenwriters will use them:

 

1) If the villains were to be really terrifying (for example a newly grown nationalistic/tribal violent group in the middle of Africa during decolonization conflicts),

2) matched with an interesting artifact from an European/Indian/Chinese(major in any case) mythology fabled to rest South of the Nile... in order to get a cool spooky location, and not another bright desert. Disney Castle turning into an opening in Europe, where Indy would meet an employer, would be nice.

3) Maybe Indy could be a leader of an expedition again, like in Raiders? Lose his superstitious followers again?

4) An old actor cannot be fast, but can be still menacing; let's make Indy a bit mysterious again; talking not that much and uncannily angry; for example the vengeful Soviets assassinated his wife and son...imagine another scene where Indy tries to pull a gun on someone and does not find it, but this time makes a violent grin and takes a big knife from his other pocket. Even an old man can win a fistfight by bringing a knife, instead of awkwardly throwing punches and wrestling with Col. Dovchenko.

5) Introduce a young charming lass as a sidekick, with a new love theme and stuff, but since Indy is old, they might remain platonic and just for this one movie: not an old flame with divorce/abandonment luggage. She could make a call-back to KOTCS by asking whether Indy is 60. She could then get into fights with real stakes if they were choreographed realistically with a 100lb woman vs muscle mountains, making her more vulnerable and give Indy some urgency of intervention, despite him being old. She could then become that Indiana Jane at the end of the film, provided she had the charisma to make a woman in a leather jacket and with a whip look menacing instead of funny. 

6) They could bring back a middle-aged Short Round with a family of karate children as a new Sallah. But Raiders Sallah, not Crusade Sallah... (pls)

7) A new color for the new area loading travel animation or something fresh with the convention in general.

 

If they do not feature a darker setting, and make Indy a slapstick grandpa protagonist again... ehh

 

Edit: Giacchino in his Medal of Honor mood mixed with that from UP would be actually very good for an Indiana Jones movie.

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1 hour ago, Fabulin said:

instead of awkwardly throwing punches and wrestling with Col. Dovchenko.

 

Good scene, one of the best in the film! One of the few times the movie actually adresses Indy's age physically. The last times he went mano a mano with The Muscle, they were gargantuan brutes that clearly outclassed him. (He didn't really go toe to toe with Vogel the same way, so I'm not counting The Last Crusade). Here though, he gets in a fistfight with...a soldier. Lean and mean, sure, but he actually looks like a normal dude. 

 

They could've trumped up this aspect even more, but hey. 

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Spielberg wanted Indy's daughter in Indy 5 but Lucas wanted a son, probably just to kickstart a spinoff franchise (and look how well that turned out).

 

I wouldn't rule out that idea being revisited. I quite liked the surrogate father approach Ford gave Solo with Rey in TFA.

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Looks like Kasdan's out and Fogelman's in, according to a new report on Making Star Wars.

 

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My sources tell me that the Jon Kasdan script for Indiana Jones 5 has now been pushed onto Cars and This is Us writer Dan Fogelman who is penning the next installment of Indiana Jones.

 

My sources believe the idea for the Kasdan Indy 5 script Jon Kasdan was working on focused on the Wałbrzych Gold Train legend. Supposedly, a train full of Nazi gold went missing near the Polish city of Wałbrzych. The train departed from Breslau with gold, masterpieces, weapons and other unknown priceless artifacts. It was then hidden in a series of mines dug by the Nazis.

 

My sources believe Dan Fogelman’s premise is not the same as the one in the Kasdan script. At this time it isn’t known what the MacGuffin that Fogelman is using for Indy 5 but they’re convinced he’s current writer on the picture.

 

Disappointing to hear this idea has been scrapped because it's quite a fun premise for an Indy film! Also means Spielberg is open to returning to a Nazi-driven storyline (which surprises me given the film's likely timeframe of the late 60's to early 70's).

 

With another change in writers (and starting from scratch with the script yet again), I can't see this shooting by next year for a 2021 release. Sadly I doubt Williams will end up scoring this film, the longer it gets delayed.

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Wałbrzych Gold Train legend??? XD haha

This is something straight from Polish memes. Wałbrzych is considered... <how to convey it to the western audience...>  something akin to the fallen industrial parts of Detroit mixed with a rural redneckland, populated 50% by Mafia and 50% by thieves. And the golden train was a cheap sensationalist hoax created and spread by God-knows-whom a couple of years ago, a meme in itself.

 

Just add an 80-years old Indiana Jones. What has Kasdan been drinking? Or rather... with whom?

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3 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said:

Disgusting to hear that they're letting Jared Fogle write the next Indiana Jones film

 

South Park said he lost weight using aides. I wonder if prison gave him real AIDS yet. 

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4 hours ago, The Illustrious Jerry said:

That is dissapointing, really. Would Spielberg be up for working with Powell, do you think? I get chills just thinking of what he could do with the Raiders March. 

 

Alan Silvester?

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5 hours ago, crumbs said:

Looks like Kasdan's out and Fogelman's in, according to a new report on Making Star Wars.

 

 

Disappointing to hear this idea has been scrapped because it's quite a fun premise for an Indy film! Also means Spielberg is open to returning to a Nazi-driven storyline (which surprises me given the film's likely timeframe of the late 60's to early 70's).

 

With another change in writers (and starting from scratch with the script yet again), I can't see this shooting by next year for a 2021 release. Sadly I doubt Williams will end up scoring this film, the longer it gets delayed.

 

Bill Ross will do the scoring by adapting existing themes from the franchise.

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On 5/3/2019 at 11:50 AM, Alex said:

 

Mutt died on the way back to his home planet

Don't you mean the space between spaces?

 

Anyway, with his getting most likely delayed further, I wouldn't even worry about JW not doing this, but Ford being out even before him.

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41 minutes ago, Laserschwert said:

Anyway, with his getting most likely delayed further, I wouldn't even worry about JW not doing this, but Ford being out even before him.

Time for a new lead actor. An 80-year old Indiana Jones is too ancient even for university lecturing. He belongs in a museum.

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1 hour ago, Ghostbusters II said:

Young Indiana Jones was a show I could never bring myself to enjoy despite my eternal devotion to Lucas and McCallum, but even the terrible Harrison Ford scenes are better than Indy IV.

I tried too. It proved too cliched---and in the worst, pulpy way, no less. But at least some highlights of the scores were interesting enough.

 

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Since it is scheduled to come out only 7 months after Spielberg's West Side Story, it should actually be shot before West Side Story is even in theaters

 

I wonder if he's still going to make that Jennifer Lawrence movie, or The Kidnapping of Edgardo Mortara, or Blackhawk, or that Leonard Bernstein biopic, or that Gershwin biopic...

 

 

EDIT: OMG, this is a simultaneously funny and sad read

 

A Decade of Steven Spielberg Not Making Up His Mind

 

Oh, the films (and scores!) that could have been...

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On 5/7/2019 at 10:16 PM, Jay said:

wonder if he's still going to make that Jennifer Lawrence movie, or The Kidnapping of Edgardo Mortara, or Blackhawk, or that Leonard Bernstein biopic, or that Gershwin biopic...

Pirate Latitudes...

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I think Pratt could totally pull of a good performance of Indiana Jones if they decided to reboot the whole thing.  But I don't think they need to reboot the whole thing. I also don't think they need to make a fifth film, but I'd rather have that (starring Harrison and directed by Spielberg) than a reboot

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Chris Pratt is a wrong choice for one reason: the character we are talking about is doctor Jones who breaks Nazi bones (yes), not an adventure goofball. He must be believable as worthy of the Grail, of magical stones, worthy of surviving The Ark of the Covenant going nucular nearby and as lecturer with half a library in his head. Harrison Ford is funny by being the straight man in comedic situations, and chill to the point of grumpiness everywhere else. This way, whenever he smiles, it feels earned. This also requires good scripts.

 

I think I would rather see a very serious actor who is not known for action-comedy movies to do it. Like Anthony Hopkins in The Edge, Benedict Cumberbatch in Avengers, Patrick Stewart in the Star Treks, etc.

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6 hours ago, Jay said:

Yes! It's just wrong to reboot the character or the franchise. 

 

Why can't people get over the fact that there's nothing wrong with a franchise ending? It happened, it was great, the end. Nowadays new ideas are rare so we have to suck every last drop of creative juice out of these old franchises. No one is disputing the fact that Indy's a great character, but things must end sometime and that's okay.

 

And enough with Chris Pratt, he's in everything! 

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5 hours ago, Arpy said:

Why can't people get over the fact that there's nothing wrong with a franchise ending? It happened, it was great, the end. No one is disputing the fact that Indy's a great character, but things must end sometime and that's okay.

 

Exactly!

 

CC: Marvel's Phase 4; Star Wars sequel trilogy.

 

Tempted to throw Fantastic Beasts in there for good measure, too.

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