Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 I hope this is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Wow, this looks poor. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Any truth to Zimmer and Wallfisch contributing to the score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Knowing Ridley Scott and his methods... even Goldsmith might be contributing to it. Karol MikeH and James 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 From the horse's mouth http://www.pressreader.com/france/studio-ciné-live/20170628/282007557396521 As suspected - Johann does the atmospherics and the main themes, HZ and BW help out with the more Vangelis esque stuff. Lots of new stuff in this, Villeneuve sounds very excited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Oh dear. Is Michael Giacchino too busy? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,675 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 17 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: Ugh. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 The way Villeneuve makes it sound here is that they're 'helping out' Johannsson. Not partly replacing him/redoing his cues in like what happened on GITS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 wtf Johannsson is more than capable of providing "Vangelis-like" material without the help of Zimmer and co. Is Villeneuve losing control of this production? I suddenly have less faith in Villeneuve... 1 hour ago, antovolk said: From the horse's mouth http://www.pressreader.com/france/studio-ciné-live/20170628/282007557396521 As suspected - Johann does the atmospherics and the main themes, HZ and BW help out with the more Vangelis esque stuff. Lots of new stuff in this, Villeneuve sounds very excited How reliable is this source? It's being really fidgety on my laptop right now. And filmmusicreporter isn't always very reliable. This whole story sounds like a fanboy's joke. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Michael Giacchino is never too busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 13 minutes ago, KK said: wtf Johannsson is more than capable of providing "Vangelis-like" material without the help of Zimmer and co. Is Villeneuve losing control of this production? I suddenly have less faith in Villeneuve... How reliable is this source? It's being really fidgety on my laptop right now. And filmmusicreporter isn't always very reliable. This whole story sounds like a fanboy's joke. It's an actual editing room interview with Villeneuve from exactly a month ago published in a French magazine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 29, 2017 Giacchino should start taking out ads in the backs of Hollywood trade magazines. HAVING LATE PRODUCTION STRUGGLES? CALL THE EXPERTS! We have decades of experience giving antsy producers exactly the safe sound they've been asking for. Call 1-800-MEH-MUSIC Bilbo, crumbs, Sharkissimo and 10 others 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Well then that would be very disappointing indeed. I can't imagine Villeneuve pushing for this. Must be Scott & co. Doesn't sound too promising for BR2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, KK said: Well then that would be very disappointing indeed. I can't imagine Villeneuve pushing for this. Must be Scott & co. Doesn't sound too promising for BR2. For those jumping to conclusions...here's the whole quote in French: Quote Comment avez-vous trouvé un compositeur pour succéder à Vangelis ? L’Islandais Johann Johannsson [avec lequel Denis Villeneuve a travaillé sur Prisoners, Sicario et Premier contact, NDLR] compose le thème principal comme prévu. Mais, au vu de l’ampleur de la tâche, Benjamin Wallfisch et Hans Zimmer ont rejoint l’équipe pour aider Johann. C’est difficile d’arriver à la cheville de Vangelis ! On a des sons atmosphériques ahurissants de Johann, mais j’avais besoin d’autres choses, et Hans nous a aidés. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 I don't buy it. Villeneuve needs to hire Zimmer and Wallfisch because he felt it would have been hard for Johannsson to capture Vangelis' sound on his own? Yeah right! Not that Zimmer isn't a good choice for BR2, but this suddenly sounds like a creatively stifling project for Johannsson, and perhaps even Villeneuve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, KK said: I don't buy it. Villeneuve needs to hire Zimmer and Wallfisch because he felt it would have been hard for Johannsson to capture Vangelis' sound on his own? Yeah right! Not that Zimmer isn't a good choice for BR2, but this suddenly sounds like a creatively stifling project for Johannsson, and perhaps even Villeneuve. Idk, the way I read the quote is that Villeneuve (or if you really don't buy it okay - Scott. It's really his show to run, not Warners/Sony or even Alcon as much) wanted more than just JJ's atmospherics. Think the use of Richter in Arrival.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Again, that comes with the grave misunderstanding that Johannsson is not capable of channeling Vangelis' sound, when much of his body of work proves otherwise. Villeneuve's choice to use Richter over an original Johannsson piece in Arrival was also a mistake in my opinion, since again, Johannsson has written many pieces in that vein and style in the past. James and Arpy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 29 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Giacchino should start taking out ads in the backs of Hollywood trade magazines. HAVING LATE PRODUCTION STRUGGLES? CALL THE EXPERTS! We have decades of experience giving antsy producers exactly the safe sound they've been asking for. Call 1-800-MEH-MUSIC This post gets an Official Bilbo Like™ Im terrified of another Middle-earth film being made with no Shore and Gia stepping in. Or Fantastic Beasts! Is no franchise safe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, KK said: Again, that comes with the grave misunderstanding that Johannsson is not capable of channeling Vangelis' sound, when much of his body of work proves otherwise. Villeneuve's choice to use Richter over an original Johannsson piece in Arrival was also a mistake in my opinion, since again, Johannsson has written many pieces in that vein and style in the past. If anything - this proves this is less 'studio interference' but Villeneuve (or if you have to - Scott) making this decision, as wrong as you feel it may be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Zimmer spoke about a secret movie he was working on in between tours, in a recent interview, so this must be it. So this is as close as Zimmer has worked with Ridley Scott since Matchstick Men and Black Hawk Down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Oh, you guys know. Yes, this is odd, but I think it'll be ok. Possibly really good, even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James 119 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Disappointing. I was looking at what Johansson would do with this one. Now it will be a troubled score. A mixture of what Johansson did, with the atmospheres of Wallfisch horror movies and the Zimmer's old maneirisms. [ ... FSM text wiped out and ignored .... ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Ignore whatever FSM say and refer back to the French Villeneuve quote posted. James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James 119 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 1 hour ago, antovolk said: Ignore whatever FSM say and refer back to the French Villeneuve quote posted. https://www.pressreader.com/france/studio-ciné-live/20170628/282007557396521 The link is broken! I searched on the around and found it. It is an effort "collective" in an bad way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 This increases my excitement for the score, but decreases it for the film. Weird. I suppose the prospect of two great composers being involved is appealing, but the implications for possible tonal inconsistencies in the film that may lead to such a collaboration are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 It's a Tron Legacy situation it seems, where Hans and company helped out. There's even some Powell in there as well, apparently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James 119 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Yes. He is in the line of thanks along with others. As far as I know the only one who really helped them was Trapanese. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Director-composer collaborations are no longer safe in Hollywood. KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Well with this and the Richter needle drops in Arrival this particular director-composer relationship has become a bit of a disappointment, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 The question is, was Johannsson not able to make certain music or did he not want to. Maybe that's what "helping out" means: "If you don't compose it, maybe Zimmer will". antovolk and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 So Hans is doing a time-consuming world tour AND helps out with scoring BR? No mean feat. Shamed be he who thinks evil of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Spielberg is asked to help out Martin Scorsese to direct certain scenes. Sounds crazy, right? It's not true, of course, but it would be the same thing. "Tangerine Dream to help Vangelis on Scott's new film called Blade Runner." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 For fuck's sake. That's £20 my IMAX won't be getting, in October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Alexcremers said: The question is, was Johannsson not able to make certain music or did he not want to. Good question. Perhaps he wasn't able to give the director what he wanted. As a film composer its very important to be versatile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 As a director, it's important to have Hans Zimmer's name, on the poster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 It's probably more important for the producers. I mean, this was a producer's call. Villeneuve wanted to worked with his buddy Johhansson but the people who eventually want their money back think more in terms of Zimmer. Perhaps Johhansson went too far or too atmospheric. In any case, this must feel like an insult to Johannsson. Main BR2 theme: Hans Zimmer Filler music/background droning: Johann Johanssonn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Scott hasn't worked with Zimmer for a long time though. Didn't they have a falling out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Not sure, but it's worth researching. Why did Howard stop working with Horner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Didn't they have a falling out during The Missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Pretty much. Howard 'blamed' Horner for not doing the film any favours and Horner shrugged in an interview years later, sayin that the movie just was not very good (true). Though having RCP alumni helping you out with your score might be a OK thing in 2017, i imagine Horner and Goldsmith (to cite two old-guarders) would be appalled by the prospect of other guys making your shit work better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 The film music industry seemed to have changed from individually oriented composers, wanting to make their mark with their own style to a more collaborate mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 You make it sound as if it's the composers who are behind it, Steef. As if Johann wanted Zimmer to do a few tracks! (Zimmer: I will do it, Johann, as long as composer X and Y can also do a few tracks.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 With Scott involved, any other outcome was unrealistic anyway. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Zimmer is behind it. Or at least to a degree. Many of the composers that emerged via his companies are more collaboratively minded than the "traditional" filmscore composer. Its the "pop" mindset taking over from the classical one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Zimmer is behind it. Or at least to a degree. Many of the composers that emerged via his companies are more collaboratively minded than the "traditional" filmscore composer. Though TGP will frown at the notion, i don't think that that many of the (better) guys working there really fancy the final result. Sure, it takes off workload and may give you sometimes good creative input and lots of technical finessing you wouldn't do on your own, but it always kind of washes away particular viewpoints. I do not mind as consumer of the end result, but many of the interviews praising the Hans machine seem a bit like pr whitewashing to me, with Powell sometimes having a slip of the tongue when admitting that you will not become a second Ravel (paraphrasing) there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Powell is the only composer to come out of that corporate structure that has really set himself apart from the other Zimmer "elves". Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 16 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: I call it "The Hive"! I was gonna say Cesspit but ok! Junkie XL and Loren Balf. Yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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