Incanus 5,714 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 The one that hangs outside the bookshop? That guy's crazy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 He did seem a bit drunk when we toasted to his name...but he gave me his word!! Englishmen don't lie! Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 No need to be jealous guys! Be happy for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 9 hours ago, Bilbo Skywalker said: No need to be jealous guys! Be happy for me! Nah I am not jealous. Cool that you'll get one signed by Alan Lee. Where did you buy it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 2, 2017 Author Share Posted June 2, 2017 13 hours ago, Bilbo Skywalker said: No need to be jealous guys! Be happy for me! Piss off! Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 4 hours ago, Incanus said: Nah I am not jealous. Cool that you'll get one signed by Alan Lee. Where did you buy it? There are some people in the local smial who are heading to the signings in the UK and they're picking some up for those of us less fortunate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Well that's nice of them. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bofur01 245 Posted June 2, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2017 Alan Lee came to our local Waterstones for a signing and talk a few days ago, so I got to meet him, which was very fun. I remember a few titbits about the production of the films, but there wasn't anything substantial... Apparently the bunny sled was something Guillermo del Toro wasn't convinced would work until he was shown artwork, at which point he liked the idea. I asked what it was like designing for the Del Toro version of the films, and Alan Lee said that it was great fun working with him, but that was a whole different story. Apparently the film would have been very different. (Though we could have easily guessed this 😛) There was also the odd (very polite) dig at using CG for the environments instead of miniatures, on the grounds that it was far easier to suggest ideas by interacting with the miniatures than directing the CG artists by pointing on screens. Incanus, John and Bilbo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon McBride 113 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Tell me if it's worth buying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 The blurb of the book says: Quote In this book Christopher Tolkien has attempted to extract the story of Beren and Lúthien from the comprehensive work in which it was embedded; but that story was itself changing as it developed new associations within the larger history. To show something of the process whereby this legend of Middle-earth evolved over the years, he has told the story in his father's own words by giving, first, its original form, and then passages in prose and verse from later texts that illustrate the narrative as it changed. Presented together for the first time, they reveal aspects of the story, both in event and in narrative immediacy, that were afterwards lost. So it will most likely be much like The Children of Húrin, which drew from the whole extended legendarium to present an expanded version of the tale compared to the version in Silmarillion and trying to make it into if not a novel then an extended short story in its own right. I suppose this book will also discuss the Lay of Leithian that is found in the Lays of Beleriand (contained in the 3rd book in the History of Middle-earth-series) and how the conception of the story changed from these previous iterations. Plus it will have the gorgeous art of Alan Lee. Nick1Ø66 and John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 On 6/5/2017 at 5:30 AM, Incanus said: The blurb of the book says: So it will most likely be much like The Children of Húrin, which drew from the whole extended legendarium to present an expanded version of the tale compared to the version in Silmarillion and trying to make it into if not a novel then an extended short story in its own right. I suppose this book will also discuss the Lay of Leithian that is found in the Lays of Beleriand (contained in the 3rd book in the History of Middle-earth-series) and how the conception of the story changed from these previous iterations. Plus it will have the gorgeous art of Alan Lee. No belching dwarves or farting trolls, no sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Oooh tough crowd! PJ has really spoiled us rotten with his cinematic creations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 It might well be a big ask, but...how does the new book fit into the overall story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Somewhere in the middle. That is to say not quite at the beginning, but not really towards the end either. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Richard said: It might well be a big ask, but...how does the new book fit into the overall story? It is more of a compendium or chance for a new focus on this central story in the legendarium, to bring together all the major elements of it in a single volume. If you have read the Children of Húrin I am sure it will be quite similar in composition. The Silmarillion stories set in the First Age aren't a single narrative but a string of tales focusing largely on the elves throughout this prehistory of Middle-earth and the story of Beren and Lúthien forms only a part of the great stories from that period but it is very central to the author himself who e.g. perhaps most strongly connected this bittersweet love story with his own initially complicated courtship with his wife Edith Bratt. So this tale had also a lot of personal meaning to Tolkien. It says a lot that even their tombstone reads Beren and Lúthien. The story also links with the greater frame story of the Silmarils that is a major thread running through the histories of the First Age and they feature as a prominent element in this tale. And moreover the story also has a greater significance to the legendarium as it also contains the first example of the rare union of the two races, of elves and men and the mingling of their bloodlines which happens only four times in the whole history of Middle-earth. Lúthien was actually through her mother Melian in part a Maia, immortal angelic spirit and this is how Tolkien explained how part of the immortal blessing of the elvenkind's and angelic creator spirits' spark in skills, imagination and art still lives on as it passed to humanity and has been part of their existence ever since and manifests in some of them from time to time. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Thanks very much for that, Inky! So...is there a Middle Earth timeline, that you'd recommend, or is the whole saga more complex than that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 29 minutes ago, Richard said: Thanks very much for that, Inky! So...is there a Middle Earth timeline, that you'd recommend, or is the whole saga more complex than that? E.g. Wikipedia contains a relatively simple but clear timeline. Tolkien Gateway has another set of articles detailing individual Ages of the world. The events of the First Age in the time of Beren and Lúthien happen close to 7000 years before the War of the Ring at the end of the Third Age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I am more than happy to help with all those questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Cute, Blood I'm an asshole, but I'm not dim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I didn't add an avatar, someone else did. I only said what avatar I'd have, if I had an avatar. For the record, I tried to add an avatar, and so did friends of mine - people who are far more clued up on computers than I am - but we weren't able to. I have no idea how my avatar was added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 20 hours ago, BloodBoal said: Sure, but with Richard, you should know what you're getting into. One answer to a question leads to five questions, which then leads to 10 questions once they are answered, which then lead to 100 questions. It's a neverending everexpanding endeavour, and an exhausting one. Better to buy him audio recordings of the books for his birthday! Richard! A most unquenchable JW fanner! All wizards/moderators should have one or two in their care—to teach them the meaning of the word, and to correct them. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I like that, er...I think Just out of interest, Inky...what word are we talking about, here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Ah it was just a bit of Tolkien humour, a quote from Gandalf who is endlessly questioned by the inquisitive Merry as they ride from Isengard in The Two Towers. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 This Merry person, sounds like a good man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 My copy of Beren and Lúthien just arrived today, just perfectly on my birthday. As might be suspected Alan Lee's art is beautiful and shows once again that this artist is very much in tune with Tolkien's world and stories, the watercolours and pencil works capturing elegantly both the delicate and the powerful in the author's vision. The text is indeed an attempt to present majority of the variations of this single story in one volume with both prose and poetry (Lay of Leithian) combined to illustrate the development of one of the "Great Tale" of Tolkien's legendarium. And kudos have to be given to Christopher Tolkien who still at his venerable age of 92 has managed to produce this volume (he even poignantly admits that this will presumptively be his last book concerning his fathers works). Can't wait to dig into this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Richard, you've already forgotten that I put the avatar in for you as a result of a PM discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Of course I didn't forget, Jay, and I continue to thank you, for it. It's just that people keep changing their pictures. I can't keep up (breaks down and sobs). Has anyone gone to the Bodleian, yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 I got it today. Delighted with it 😬 Incanus and John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Nice! Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 I have a nice "little" Tolkien collection at this point. Even when you take out the 13 Hobbits 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 It only took you three years to welcome me 😢 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 True... I guess... 😢 Shelfies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Is that a freezer next to the shelf? Is it so you can easily grab ice cream treats while you peruse your tomes of Tolkien? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bilbo 3,709 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 1 hour ago, BloodBoal said: And more importantly: why did you buy the LOTR OST trilogy box set twice? Because it was being sold for €5 in HMV still sealed and my first set was showing its age. €5 is a bargain even if you do already own it! 2 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Is that a freezer next to the shelf? Is it so you can easily grab ice cream treats while you peruse your tomes of Tolkien? It's a deep freeze. It's mostly full of strawberries from the garden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Wow, you're a really big Christopher Tolkien fan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 20, 2017 Author Share Posted July 20, 2017 He can't recall the taste of strawberries! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Mmmmmm, strawberries. 🤤 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 FYI for anyone interested, there's a major Tolkien exhibit coming to the Bodleian library here in Oxford this summer, and tickets just became available to book today. They're free, but you have to book in advance via the website, and it's sure to sell out. Quote Tolkien: Maker of Middle-earth explores Tolkien’s amazing legacy from his genius as an artist, poet, linguist, and author to his academic career and private life. The exhibition takes you on a journey through Tolkien’s famous works, The Hobbit and The Lord of The Rings, displaying an array of draft manuscripts, striking illustrations and maps drawn for his publications. Discover Tolkien’s early abstract paintings from The Book of Ishness, the touching tales he wrote for his children, rare objects that belonged to Tolkien, exclusive fan mail; and private letters. This once-in-a-generation exhibition runs from 1 June to 28 October 2018 at the Bodleian Libraries, University of Oxford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 21, 2018 Author Share Posted July 21, 2018 So why did the Elves dwindle, instead of thriving after the downfall of Sauron in the age of Elendil and Gil Galad. This ensured thousands of years of relative piece after long years of conflict. Why did they grew tired of Middle-earth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 I suppose you could say it was similar to what happened with Frodo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 6 hours ago, Stefancos said: Why did they grew tired of Middle-earth? Men reproduced too fast and took over their playground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 14 hours ago, Stefancos said: So why did the Elves dwindle, instead of thriving after the downfall of Sauron in the age of Elendil and Gil Galad. This ensured thousands of years of relative piece after long years of conflict. Why did they grew tired of Middle-earth? Their diminishment was tied to the fate of the world and the song of the Ainur. HERE is a good lengthy explanation of the diminishment of the Elves as Tolkien explains it in the letter 131 to Milton Waldman (of publisher Collins) in 1951. It has also been reprinted in the second edition of the Silmarillion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 22, 2018 Author Share Posted July 22, 2018 So much like the Ainur their fate was predetermined by the Song, despite Melko's efforts to add discord to it? I guess Men, being mortal are by that nature less bound to that fate, like Dwarves, who weren't part of Illuvatar's original designs. And of course we know nothing of what Eru's designs were for the Hobbits, if he even had one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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