Genius_Gone_Insane 5 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 (I searched but found nothing on this topic)It seems glaringly obvious Williams was influenced by this, see 7:25: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 That piece is beautiful, I didn't know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 54 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 That's the wrong soundtrack, you must be thinking about Conti's the Right Stuff (it's a direct copy of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Supposedly, but has that ever been proven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 While it's obvious Conti was forced to follow the temp track for The Right Stuff more, I hear how Williams may have been influenced.Supposedly, but has that ever been proven?I believe Conti has even admitted to being forced to follow a temp track and was just as shocked when he won the Oscar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,624 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 take some random piece of classical music that vaguely reminds you of a Williams theme, and that's enough to start a "Williams is a hack" theread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Ok... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,800 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 There's a little motif in Tchaikovsky's The Swan Lake that reminds me of the Imperial March. It's just a brief moment, though... (At 4:30, its a recurring motif during all of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,034 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I'm chalking this one up to the old there-are-only-so-many-combinations-of-notes and Williams-has-absorbed-a-lot-of-music-over-the-years-and-some-minor-influences-will-inevitably-manifest-occasionally arguments. It's not a direct lift by any stretch of the imagination. The orchestration and harmonic structure aren't even remotely similar; the only parallels are in the contour and rhythm of the melody.And yes, "The Right Stuff" is very similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,979 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 take some random piece of classical music that vaguely reminds you of a Williams theme, and that's enough to start a "Williams is a hack" thereadIt's time to face the obvious. The maestro is not receiving a direct stream of ideas from God himself. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius_Gone_Insane 5 Posted March 15, 2011 Author Share Posted March 15, 2011 This is not a "JW is a Hack" thread. I'm just saying that they are similar enough to the point where I think JW was influenced by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,979 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I know. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc 758 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 For those who enjoy the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto I strongly advise watching the russian/french movie Le Concerthttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt1320082/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 This is ridiculous, I don't hear any resemblance here, mayby the first interval an so on butthe atmosphere is all wrong. But The right stuff stuff is an other story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 There's a little motif in Tchaikovsky's The Swan Lake that reminds me of the Imperial March. It's just a brief moment, though...(At 4:30, its a recurring motif during all of it)Yes, was probably temp tracked.Look this is more stunning: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius_Gone_Insane 5 Posted March 15, 2011 Author Share Posted March 15, 2011 This is ridiculous, I don't hear any resemblance here, mayby the first interval an so on butthe atmosphere is all wrong. But The right stuff stuff is an other story...Really? Ridiculous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,160 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 It seems glaringly obvious Williams was influenced by this, see 7:25:Interesting, that's a striking similarity. And another bit in ESB, the Bespin approach, lifts its theme from Sibelius' violin concerto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I only heard a vague momentary sort-of similarity, while listening intently for it.ESB love theme was inspired by Susan and Doug from Towering Inferno, or at least whatever part of Williams' brain composed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius_Gone_Insane 5 Posted March 16, 2011 Author Share Posted March 16, 2011 YesBased on the responses of a few others on this thread, I don't think it's a ridiculous stretch at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,071 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Does it sound like the ESB love theme? For a brief second, yes. Do I think it influenced Williams to write that, consciously or sub-consciously? No, not even a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I have no clue if this influenced Williams or not (or National Treasure 2)...but here's an interesting similarity between Bernstein's "Make Our Garden Grow" and "Luke and Leia." (Skip to 0:16). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 "Han Solo and the Princess" (as almost any of Williams' love themes) is written unabashedly in the style of late 19th century Romantic music, so it's natural it could remind of Tchaikovsky, or other Romantic composers.If you want to hear a more direct influence to Williams' love themes, check out the 2nd movement of Thcaikovsky's Symphony No.5 (Andante cantabile), which opens with a very Williams-esque horn solo and develops not unlike "Princess Leia's Theme":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsZgx7zEFRI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyy38 21 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 While it's obvious Conti was forced to follow the temp track for The Right Stuff more, I hear how Williams may have been influenced.Supposedly, but has that ever been proven?I believe Conti has even admitted to being forced to follow a temp track and was just as shocked when he won the Oscar.I was just as shocked when Conti did a little lift from "Star Wars" for "Rocky II" !!!!!Look it up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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