#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 On FSM someone has put up Youtube links to a 28 minute suite of a very early John Williams score.http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=80668&forumID=1&archive=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Cool!Karol - listening to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Very cool indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Awesome. I previously only had the main titles for this. I have tried to find the film too, but to no avail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Great stuff. I once had a crappy mp3 with the Main Title several years ago, but I lost it during some back-up.The string ostinato in the opening music seems to hint at "Duel of the Fates" almost 40 years before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Neat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Great stuff. I once had a crappy mp3 with the Main Title several years ago, but I lost it during some back-up.The string ostinato in the opening music seems to hint at "Duel of the Fates" almost 40 years before that.I can actually hear some faint echoes of this in the darker and more mysterious sections of the Cowboys. Perhaps nothing as heavily ethnic as zither but the suspence style has hints of The Secret Ways to my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Hey has anyone saved these as mp3 files only and was able to upgrade the audio a bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Sounds like an episode of Columbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Hey has anyone saved these as mp3 files only and was able to upgrade the audio a bit?Yes, I saved them as mp3, but have no idea how to upgrade the sound quality.The 'main titles' that I previously owned had better sound quality, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Cool .This is the type of thing You Tube should be made forUnfortunately only a matter of time before someone removes this on copyright grounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,826 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Awesome. I previously only had the main titles for this. I have tried to find the film too, but to no avail!I replied to you by pm! Althouh all those youtube videos with the rare wiliams scores are great, they had a bad quality bacause I think as it seems he uses external recording so you hear the ambience of the room too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Damn, this is masterful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 It is indeed. The first "serious" film score that he did. When I do lectures on Williams these days, I always play the string ostinato from THE PHANTOM MENACE followed by the similar ostinato from the main theme of SECRET WAYS to make a connection across decades. The film is quite OK as well -- although it's trying hard to be a new THE THIRD MAN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Wow, great find. I never even new of this old JW score. Now I'm gonna obsess over it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Listening to my audio rip "album" of this score again. It's quite good -- his first serious score for what I think is quite a decent film, actually. A pain in the ass to listen to all the sound effects and dialogue, of course, but that's all there is. The fantastic "Main Titles" is really the only place where Williams gets to shine. Some of the "French-sounding" boulevard instrumentation is nice too -- even though the film takes place in Vienna. I wonder if any label has ever attempted to look into this? Does anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,311 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I thought this thread was another surprise new score reveal, ala The Book Thief! Oh, the humanity! Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Sorry about that -- didn't mean to trigger unwarranted expectations! But I like to wallow around in Williams' early years. Actually, I've now started another 'complete walkthrough' of Williams' work -- listening to all of his film scores from start to finish. I only had individual tracks from DADDY-O, BECAUSE THEY'RE YOUNG and I PASSED FOR WHITE, but this is the first that has an "album", of sorts. Next in line is a PROPER album, however - BACHELOR FLAT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,311 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 It's quite a fun and versatile main theme, almost instantly memorable yet feels familiar somehow? I can't place it though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 As previously mentioned, the string ostinato bears some resemblance to the similar ostinato in "Duel of the Fates". Is that what you're thinking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josephine 0 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 The dvd and Blu-ray Disc to be released this October 2020. Check Amazon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 instead of telling people to check Amazon, you can link to it yourself please https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B08F6YCYFM https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B08F6JZ31D Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,311 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 You can watch the entire film here. The Main Titles are bangin! And he even wrote a cool fanfare for the Universal logo, based on the score's primary theme: Why doesn't JW want these early Universal scores released? Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 Damn it sounds great, could it have been restored and preserved by universal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,311 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 It would be great to hear an update on the status of the elements for this score, given Universal's and LLL's efforts to preserve older scores in the heritage collection. Maybe a question for Mike in a future podcast, @TownerFan? He said in the Disaster Box podcast two years ago that he had no information about the status of the Secret Ways tapes, which is concerning (he named the other Universal scores which have been located and transferred for safekeeping, even if JW doesn't want them released). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 1 hour ago, crumbs said: He said in the Disaster Box podcast two years ago that he had no information about the status of the Secret Ways tapes, which is concerning (he named the other Universal scores which have been located and transferred for safekeeping, even if JW doesn't want them released). I didn't know that. That's concerning, but at least 'no information' is better than a confirmation that they've been lost or destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,311 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Thor said: I didn't know that. That's concerning, but at least 'no information' is better than a confirmation that they've been lost or destroyed. Mike's exact words: "Well, The Secret Ways would be very, very early... and I don't, in fact, know if anything exists on it. That was maybe... '61, or something? But yeah, The Rare Breed we have had transferred, and the Story of a Woman. Those were two that Intrada was going to do and went to John and, uh, he said no. I don't think that's a permanent no but, at least at that time, he did not want them to proceed, so... but I think eventually they'll come around." So things sound a bit grim. But it's unclear if Mike has even asked Universal to check whether the tapes exist in their archive. That the film was remastered for Bluray less than a year ago (more recent than Mike's comments) would indicate someone went searching for film elements... fingers crossed scoring elements were also found in that process. Would be great to get an update from Mike though, I always worry about these older scores. Don't care if a release is in the works or not; I'd just sleep easier knowing the music is preserved and won't be lost (like Jane Eyre and Images). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 If I'd had access to Mike, I'd simply say a title of an unreleased Williams score and let him tell us the release situation. Like "DADDY-O.....go!", "GIDGET GOES TO ROME....go!" etc. Someone should do a podcast like that. Only focussing on the unreleased stuff, screw the expanded versions and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrJosh 892 Posted December 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2021 I recently got the blu-ray and watched the movie, semi-studied the score some and wanted to post some observations: There is 51 minutes, 20 seconds of score in the film. 1 minute and 4 seconds of source music, one of them being an excerpt of JS Bach's Toccata and Fugue in d minor, the other being music that plays on a film when the characters are sneaking through a theater. Williams scores the Universal International Logo with a statement of the main theme from the movie. The main title is certainly a standout cue, but there are some other great moments such as when the main characters are traveling on a train and there's a nice statement of the theme. There is some brief action music in a couple of spots that provide a kick of adrenaline that I really liked. There are two moments where the score becomes very quirky, goofy similar to some of Williams' comedy writing, for scenes where the characters were pretending to be drunk. I really like this score and I do hope elements for it can be found for a release! Bayesian, Yavar Moradi, rough cut and 7 others 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Thanks for the rundown, Mr. Josh. It remains one of my most-requested JW titles. MrJosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 I do hope they’re able to find, license and release more of these old forgotten titles. Instant purchase if that should ever be the case. Once and Bryant Burnette 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 I would also love to see this released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 I guess this movie is a pretty important milestone in JW's career. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think The Secret Ways is his first all original non-B-movie major studio picture. Because They're Young, being a Columbia production, is technically his first "non-B movie major studio picture" but from what I've heard the score is largely adapting a song that JW did not write himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Prior to The Secret Ways (1961), only 3 theatrical films had a score by JW Daddy-O (1958)I Passed For White (1960)Because They're Young (1960) I have no idea how much of the Because They're Young's score is adapted from an existed song, but if it's a significant amount then sure, The Secret Ways is what you say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 I just skipped around Because They're Young on Youtube and listened to the non-Williams song last night. Didn't listen to every cue but the ones I heard were based on the song mostly. Now that said, the arrangements JW did for the song are pretty neat, very "of its time" in an interesting way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 There is actually plenty of dramatic underscore in BECAUSE THEY'RE YOUNG, not just variations of the song. There's a nice cue for an interior house scene, and a chase cue, for example, off the top of my head. Btw, the song became a big, Shadows-like instrumental hit with Duane Eddy and the Rebels, it wasn't just an obscure affair. blondheim and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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