Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Maybe not, Joe, but it is generally regarded as his greatest film - and, sometimes, the greatest film ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 hour ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: Vertigo (*** out of ****) Well I suppose it is a classic ... Well, it's more than a classic. Vertigo managed to dethrone Citizen Kane as the best movie of all time after the latter held that spot for 50 years. (damn, I didn't see Richard's post, it was on the next page) Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 See? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 58 minutes ago, Richard said: Maybe not, Joe, but it is generally regarded as his greatest film - and, sometimes, the greatest film ever. Definitely not. He has made many better films. Too gimmicky. OTOH Citizen Kane is a bore. Having to sit through it in film lecture was torture. I'll take the politically incorrect and racially insensitive Gone With the Wind over those too anyday. Just saw on AFI's top 100 its was 61 with Psycho, North By Northwest, and Rear Window all ahead of it. I prefer Rebecca over it. I have a big soft spot for Saboteur. I'm not saying its bad, few Hitch films are, but I have an order of preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 30 minutes ago, JoeinAR said: Just saw on AFI's top 100 its was 61 with Psycho, North By Northwest, and Rear Window all ahead of it. I prefer Rebecca over it. Are you sure you have the right list? Vertigo is at #9, and is Hitchcock’s highest rated film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Richard said: Maybe not, Joe, but it is generally regarded as his greatest film - and, sometimes, the greatest film ever. 1 hour ago, Alexcremers said: Well, it's more than a classic. Vertigo managed to dethrone Citizen Kane as the best movie of all time after the latter held that spot for 50 years. (damn, I didn't see Richard's post, it was on the next page) Vertigo is overrated! Its the popular choice for best film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 The debate for 'greatest film of all time' ended in 1990. Unlucky Bastard and John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 27 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Vertigo is overrated! Its the popular choice for best film. IMDb is the popular choice. and last time I checked, The Shawshank Redemption is still the best movie of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Great film! JoeinAR and Chen G. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 It's fine. But was it civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 2 hours ago, John said: Are you sure you have the right list? Vertigo is at #9, and is Hitchcock’s highest rated film. I see the updated list. It is an enormous jump, very wrong imho. It isnt as good as Psycho by or NbyNW. I'd rather watch the Birds. Of course Alex can chastise me for liking North By Northwest over Vertigo because North has explosions as does the Birds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Vertigo and Shawshank appear on so many greatest ever lists, because well, they are great. Although only one of them is truly seminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Vertigo beats those other Hitchcock movies by virtue of the score alone. SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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publicist 4,643 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Rebecca is a tad long in the teeth but thee are some sequences in it that are pure cinema magic. Though i'd wager you find those in old Michael Curtiz movies, too (even in programmers like 'The Walking Dead'). Those guys knew their craft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 There's also Rear Window. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 A superb film. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 I quite enjoyed that one right up until the very end. I remember the unintentional laughs I had during the big shocker climax took the edge off the whole thing quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 I'll happily admit that NXNW is my all time favourite Hitchcock film, but so many of his films have either great artistic or great technical merit, or both. There's always something interesting in a Hitchcock film. The Illustrious Jerry and John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Stop! Stop... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 All he seemed to make was thrillers. Couldn't he make an historical piece, a biopic, a sci-fi or a plain old drama for a change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 "Self plagiarism is style." -Alfred Hitchcock It's what he was good at! He was a genius in the genre and he stuck with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 6 hours ago, Fabulin said: Foreign Correspondent is the most entertaining one. North By Northwest and Vertigo follow. Then my film list says Rebecca was supposedly ok---but I have no memory of this film. Psycho and Birds on the other hand... memorable mehs Take it back Saboteur mesmerizes me because it so shocking relevant today and there is a death seen that is so horrible even by todays standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Dieter Stark said: Stop! Stop... Another Hitch classic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 George Clooney was great in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Since February a wide range of different kinds of movies, that I write short reviews of (which I am too lazy to translate now, so I just give you the rating). *****5 stars: Phantom Thread Tideland Toni Erdmann At Eternity's Gate Heat Barry Lyndon ****4 stars: Dunkirk Ex Drummer The VVitch Hell or High Water Don't Breathe Edge of Tomorrow Funny Games Baby Driver The Florida Project Der Hauptmann Wind River Why Are We Creative? Nosferatu - Phantom der Nacht Mein liebster Feind Aguirre, der Zorn Gottes Hot Fuzz BlacKkKlansman Amour Murder on the Orient Express (1974) Intolerable Cruelty Shoplifters ***3 stars: Gravity Apocalypto A Quiet Place Get Out I, Tonya 12 Monkeys Bohemian Rapsody Before I Fall The Great Train Robbery 3 Tage in Quiberon Fierce Creatures Soylent Green Shaun of the Dead Sicario 2: Soldado Mandy Angst essen Seele auf The House Tha Jack Built Die Ehe der Maria Braun Serpico Crazy, Stupid, Love. Hellboy **2 stars: The Thing (1982) Heaven & Earth Cruel Intentions The Cabin in the Woods Cobra Verde From Dusk Till Dawn Black Rain *1 star: The Mummy (2017) The Last Castle Of course I'm trying to avoid presumably bad movies, which is why there are so many positive and few negative ratings. Major surprises were Tideland and Edge of Tomorrow, the major disappointments were The Thing and 12 Monkeys. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Thank you, Thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 35 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: ****4 stars: Wind River Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 11 hours ago, The Original said: All he seemed to make was thrillers. Couldn't he make an historical piece, a biopic, or a plain old drama for a change? Older Spielberg does that and his fans moan about it. At least Hitchcock never grew up. He never did make his Schindler's List! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 18, 2019 The Thing 1982 deserves more than two stars. The VVitch deserves no stars. Chen G., Unlucky Bastard and John 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 58 minutes ago, JoeinAR said: The Thing 1982 deserves more than two stars. The VVitch deserves no stars. Sadly not, since The Thing is all about effects and neglects its dramaturgy criminally, whereas The VVitch is a refreshingly reserved and suspenseful horror film. 3 hours ago, Alexcremers said: Not enough? It's on the same level as Hell or High Water, only Sicario exceeds both of them in the American-Frontier-Trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 The VVitch is an dreadully unsuspenceful badly paced poorly written film. I agree with your argument about the effects in the Thing. It does have a feeling of lets do it because we can. Howver the film succeeds on many levels including mood and the helplessness the characters evoke. It is wonderfully acted. I still prefer the 50's version best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 On 7/18/2019 at 5:19 AM, Brundlefly said: **2 stars: The Thing (1982) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 4 hours ago, Brundlefly said: *****5 stars: At Eternity's Gate ****4 stars: Dunkirk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 17 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: Not enough? It's on the same level as Hell or High Water, only Sicario exceeds both of them in the American-Frontier-Trilogy. Hell or High Water had a certain charming 'swung' but this was just a cliché drama. I stopped watching after the sheriff or cop told the family of what happened which was followed by a very long distance shot and a "Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!". Other than that, I agree with many if not most of your ratings (at least of the ones I've seen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, JoeinAR said: I agree with your argument about the effects in the Thing. It does have a feeling of lets do it because we can. Howver the film succeeds on many levels including mood and the helplessness the characters evoke. It is wonderfully acted. I still prefer the 50's version best. What you describe there is what the film wants to be, but that desperate mood of paranoia and claustrophobia is only visible (or audible), when you put Morricone's brilliant soundtrack in your player. The acting is average, the screenplay too committed to the clichés of its time, suspense is almost constantly absent - the genius effects and one goregeous scene don't save the film. 6 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: Hell or High Water had a certain charming 'swung' but this was just a cliché drama. I stopped watching after the sheriff or cop told the family of what happened which was followed by a very long distance shot and a "Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!". Other than that, I agree with many if not most of your ratings (at least of the ones I've seen). Too bad, you don't like it. The outstanding aspect of the movie is the focus on the suffering that turns around the classic thriller-formula. The aftermath of violence is way more important than its preparation or the action itself. This movie made my (regarding movies, very tough) sister leave the room during the end credits, because one of the latter scenes was so unbearable for her. This has never happened before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Idiot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 *1 star: Koray Savas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post A24 4,333 Posted July 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: *1 star: Koray Savas Wait until Chen discovers you gave Apocalypto only 3 out of 5 stars. Prepare yourself for something unprecedented! Chen G., SteveMc and The Illustrious Jerry 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 I don't love Apocalypto that much. Besides, it somehow seems petty to argue those sorts of things too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 The Thing and VVitch aren't pictures I've ever had the inclination to compare, but I think they're both superb films. Only one of them is a classic though. Hell or Highwater was just another sad decline of Jeff Bridges borefest. Nick Parker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Quintus said: Hell or Highwater was just another sad decline of Jeff Bridges borefest. Jay will ban you for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 I loved that movie but it doesn't matter to me if other people like it or not Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 It should matter. You need to assert fuller control of this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 VVitch superb! The only reason I stayed till the end is because David and I are tight with our money. But it does seem to be the kind of film people who like Blair Witch and Hereditary would like, that excludes my husband and me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,358 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 I have The VVitch on DVD, haven't watched it yet. I did/do like Blair Witch, but didn't like Hereditary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, Sweeping Strings said: I did/do like Blair Witch, but didn't like Hereditary. The other way around with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Yo wait when did The VVitch suck? It's not my favorite but I thought it had solid mood, some good acting--I really enjoyed the earnest faith portrayed by the father character amongst other things--and it felt like a tale that would've been told in that era. And also.... And what's this about The Thing not being a great film? Poor acting, no sense of mood and suspense? Uhhhh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Why is everyone using two Vs instead of a W? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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