indy4 155 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Around this time, Williams bailed on two particularly infamous flops. Michael Cimino's visually staggering HEAVEN'S GATE had Williams attached at one point (and Morricone was also considered for the project), but Williams wisely departed (leaving The Missouri Breaks as his final Western score to date), and Cimino went in a markedly different direction with the young composer David Mansfield, whose folksy score proved to be one of the film's most popular elements; he went on to score three more features for the controversial director. http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/articles/2007/06_Jun---Timelines_John_Williams_Part_Two.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Dont you always go through a persons agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tharpdevenport 4 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 He went through the agent for Williams, according the the book aforementioned; it was his agent who then, not of being asked by Cameron, who gave Horner a copy.I nail this sucker down one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 I'm surprised no one has mentioned "The Omen". Donner wanted Williams first, and Williams agreed. It then went to Jerry, back to John, and then Jerry again because of Donner's overall inability to deliver the film on time. If scheduling conflicts and production delays didn't get in the way you may have heard a Williams Omen score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I hate to bump a thread this old but...Does anybody here know what happened with Tucker: A Man and His Dream? It says on IMDB that there's an "unused John Williams score". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,503 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I hate to bump a thread this old but...Does anybody here know what happened with Tucker: A Man and His Dream? It says on IMDB that there's an "unused John Williams score".I remember that ordeal. I think it's just an urban legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I'm surprised no one has mentioned "The Omen". Donner wanted Williams first, and Williams agreed. It then went to Jerry, back to John, and then Jerry again because of Donner's overall inability to deliver the film on time. If scheduling conflicts and production delays didn't get in the way you may have heard a Williams Omen score.That happened on SUPERMAN and was the other way around. Goldsmith was the only choice for the OMEN and was offered the job by Fox, not Donner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I hate to bump a thread this old but...Does anybody here know what happened with Tucker: A Man and His Dream? It says on IMDB that there's an "unused John Williams score".I remember that ordeal. I think it's just an urban legend.Has anybody ever asked Coppola or Williams himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I hate to bump a thread this old but...Does anybody here know what happened with Tucker: A Man and His Dream? It says on IMDB that there's an "unused John Williams score". I remember that ordeal. I think it's just an urban legend.Its not. And Ricard won't take kindly to you saying that, since he is the progenitor of that piece of news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,503 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Well, I'd certainly be interested in another round with the circumstances around that thing -- preferably with sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 The source is Ricard who heard it from someone who worked on the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I'm sure Williams was involved in some way at some point but the extent to which he was is definitely up for speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,313 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 CAMERON and HORNER had a massive falling out over Aliens, when his score was basically tracked all over the place and cues switched between scenes. There's a pretty frank discussion about it with both of them on the making-of documentary. Anyway, seems they kissed and made up and won't be separating anytime soon.Although I can't imagine how Horner will be inspired enough to come up with 3 new Avatar scores considering the original film was fairly light on themes. It ain't no Star Wars, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,503 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I'm sure Williams was involved in some way at some point but the extent to which he was is definitely up for speculation. Yeah, I don't believe there is any official information about this. It would be interesting to hear Ricard's take on the story (through his friend), but in the end it's not really an official confirmation. Untill one surfaces, it will all be speculation and heresay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Yep, he was attached to Mike Nichols' Wolf, I forgot that. The Flinstones should also be right--his name was even in the early teaser posters, if I remember well.How about The Color Purple?Apparently he was never set to score it. Quincy Jones was attached to it even before Spielberg came on board, if I remember well (it was said on the DVD featurettes).OMG you don't have John's rejected score. It's devastating an lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Yeah i have it. Too bad he only got to score 27 minutes before Quincy overruled him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I'm surprised no one has mentioned "The Omen". Donner wanted Williams first, and Williams agreed. It then went to Jerry, back to John, and then Jerry again because of Donner's overall inability to deliver the film on time. If scheduling conflicts and production delays didn't get in the way you may have heard a Williams Omen score.That happened on SUPERMAN and was the other way around. Goldsmith was the only choice for the OMEN and was offered the job by Fox, not Donner.It happened for Omen first, per Donner. And again on Superman, but in reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Source? I read a bio on Donner that stated what i was saying and i never saw this mentioned anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Having a hard time remembering since that post was over 3 years ago, but I think it may have been his commentary track on Superman, or one of its featurettes. He basically said that on Omen he wanted Williams, but got Goldsmith for the reasons I mentioned. On Superman, he asked Goldsmith first out of obligation and courtesy to Jerry, though he wanted Williams again from the start, then ended up with Williams for similar scheduling/production reasons.I could be wrong, but I'm usually pretty careful when I post that type of stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 All these directors wanting Williams but feeling like they're settling on Goldsmith. Ungrateful bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 John Almost scored the last two prequels. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 All these directors wanting Williams but feeling like they're settling on Goldsmith. Ungrateful bastards.Well Donner got lucky in both cases; Goldsmith probably wrote the better OMEN score while Williams probably the better SUPERMAN one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Was Williams ever considered for Poltergeist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once 605 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'm sure Williams was involved in some way at some point but the extent to which he was is definitely up for speculation. Yeah, I don't believe there is any official information about this. It would be interesting to hear Ricard's take on the story (through his friend), but in the end it's not really an official confirmation. Untill one surfaces, it will all be speculation and heresay.Isn't this the story?You can add Tucker: The Man and His Dream to that list. This was revealed to me by Martin Landau during a party in Hollywood in September 1987 (he was a close friend of my sister's boss, Broadway show producer Mel Howard, and we were celebrating Howard's wife's birthday).These were more or less his words: "If you like science fiction and film music, you will like John Williams". To which I replied enthusiastically: "Yes, of course!". Then he said: "Well, he is writing the score for my new movie. It's called Tucker". Then I asked him to write down the title of the movie on a paper. He wrote: "Tucker is the name of the film", along with his autograph.Incidentally, the score to Tucker ended up being composed by my second favorite musician: Joe Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Was Williams ever considered for Poltergeist?The rumours have persisted for years that John Williams actually scored Poltergeist while Jerry Goldsmith was just standing around snorting coke and making a bum of himself as Williams was contractually obliged by Universal to score only one film at a time. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Didn't Williams almost score King Solomon's Mines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 No. I doubt JW would seriously considered a Canon production which was a ripoff of Raiders.KSM is a typical 80's Jerry Goldsmith film. Slightly low-rent, recorded in Europe with a less then reputable orchestra.JW did walk away from Inchon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Was Williams ever considered for Poltergeist?The rumours have persisted for years that John Williams actually scored Poltergeist while Jerry Goldsmith was just standing around snorting coke and making a bum of himself as Williams was contractually obliged by Universal to score only one film at a time.The truth is that Goldsmith actually scored E.T., while Williams did Poltergeist, but due to contractual obligations, neither was properly credited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 All these directors wanting Williams but feeling like they're settling on Goldsmith. Ungrateful bastards. Well Donner got lucky in both cases; Goldsmith probably wrote the better OMEN score while Williams probably the better SUPERMAN one.One wonders how a director who focuses composers to create those two powerhouse scores is later satisfied with Ladyhawke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,524 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 On 13/11/2011 at 4:58 PM, Ricard said: You can add Tucker: The Man and His Dream to that list. This was revealed to me by Martin Landau during a party in Hollywood in September 1987 (he was a close friend of my sister's boss, Broadway show producer Mel Howard, and we were celebrating Howard's wife's birthday). These were more or less his words: "If you like science fiction and film music, you will like John Williams". To which I replied enthusiastically: "Yes, of course!". Then he said: "Well, he is writing the score for my new movie. It's called Tucker". Then I asked him to write down the title of the movie on a paper. He wrote: "Tucker is the name of the film", along with his autograph. Incidentally, the score to Tucker ended up being composed by my second favorite musician: Joe Jackson. It's different, for girls One question: is she really going out with him? Landau was good in INTERSECTION. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,655 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Well, since this thread has been resurrected, we can add RPO to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Has anyone mentioned Powder yet? I think, John and Jerry both wanted to score it, but this time Jerry won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,524 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Interesting, Seth. No-one's mentioned QUARTET. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 20 minutes ago, Richard said: Interesting, Seth. No-one's mentioned QUARTET. The 2012 old people movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,524 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 No. The Robert Altman film. JW discussed it, in Films And Filming Magazine, June/July, 1978 edition. Oops! I got it wrong. It's QUINTET! Sorry! He still discussed it, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Not sure it was mentioned before, but Williams was attached to the disaster film Meteor. When he wasn't able to do it, he suggested Lawrence Rosenthal for the project, who went to write the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,524 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 It hasn't, but you're right, Miguel: he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviazn 273 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 We had a thread a while back about the first Mission Impossible, thanks to a nugget @Maestro dug up: On 8/7/2015 at 8:15 AM, Maestro said: Just to clarify and verify, in an interview I conducted with Paul Hirsch last October, Hirsch said this: "[Williams] was approached about doing Mission: Impossible, and he said, 'Would you mind if I changed the theme?' And they said, 'Oh no, no, no, you can't change the theme.' And he said, 'Well, never mind.' But I thought, you know, hey, if John Williams wants to change the theme, I would be very interested to know what he would have come up with." ...which almost makes it sound like it was a deal-breaker for the studio and not necessarily De Palma. But who knows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Meteor was mentioned in the first post of this same thread, which in turn refers to this one: Around 1980 I remember a couple of JW filmographies that mentioned Meteor. I was looking forward to listening to that score until I found out the truth via the film's poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,913 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 It is so crazy to think JW might have scored Alien (1979) because that score was so owned by JG. Imagine what a JW alien would have sounded like. I still think it would have been great sort of like only the first half of CEOTK but fascinating to imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,524 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 JW himself, suggested to SS that he not score CE3K... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 10 hours ago, karelm said: It is so crazy to think JW might have scored Alien (1979) because that score was so owned by JG. Imagine what a JW alien would have sounded like. I still think it would have been great sort of like only the first half of CEOTK but fascinating to imagine. Actually this was Howard Blake's movie (Scott's prior composer) but Fox nixed him at some point and installed Goldsmith (probably because his close association with them and to the genre). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,524 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Howard Blake doing ALIEN #We're walking in the airrrraaaaaaahhhh!# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Does Bridge of Spies count as an "almost scored" project? And yes, I realize that me bringing up BOS at this point is practically a comedy routine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Bridge of Spies certainly counts; He was announced, it was on his official resume at his Agency's website, and he only lost the job because he needed pacemaker surgery. Ready Player One counts too, because he was announced at one point before The Papers came along and changed everything But he never wrote a note for either, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 26 minutes ago, Jay said: But he never wrote a note for either, of course. We don't really know that... and probably never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Certainly never recorded a note for either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,913 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 2 hours ago, publicist said: Actually this was Howard Blake's movie (Scott's prior composer) but Fox nixed him at some point and installed Goldsmith (probably because his close association with them and to the genre). There was some interview circa 1978 where JW said he's scheduled to do Alien when talking about some of his upcoming projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Must have been misinterpreted. He probably said something like: "I'm working on an alien project", and he was in fact referring to 1941. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,913 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Ok, I re-read the interview and what he said was: "Steven Spielberg wants to do a musical called '1941', and start doing some work on it this year. I don't know exactly what he's got in mind, or even whether I can even do it, but we shall see. Early next year I may also do a project called 'Alien', directed by Ridley Scott. So there's plenty to do." It's a great interview spanning his early life, concert music, process, etc. He even talks about his Symphony saying it is similar stylistically to his violin concerto but has some flaws. The Violin Concerto "is the best music I've written". http://www.jw-collection.de/misc/interview/elley.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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