lostinspace 8 Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Is it just me or do you hear the difference in the LSO brass and the Hollywood Studio Orchestra (or contract players). By difference I mean the London players play with better pitch.To see what I mean compare the brass in ROTS Enter Lord Vader to say, Tintin Pursuit of Falcon round 2:30 mark or Escape from Karaboudjian 2:06Williams says the US orchestras are as good as the European's. Technically this may be true but I think London Symphony etc play more musically and less mechanically. By this I mean their intonation or playing as an ensemble is better and they produce a richer less edgy sound. I'm not denegrating the LA players but I cannot imagine ROTS performed by Hollywood studio - maybe it has something to do with the dry acoustics on the Sony Scoring Stage aswell compared with Abbey Road. They did a good job on War Horse but I still find the Hollywood Sound more clean, clear and processed. Pity they did not keep Todd AO recording stage as the scores recorded there benefit from the buildings more wet acoustic.I would have love to heard Williams record on Todd AO or other scoring stages but I guess the downside is it might sound really muddy with all the complex way Williams writes with, in particular his Action cues. Imagine hearing Tintin performed in Abbey Road!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 I think the biggest difference is in tone quality and sycronization. Like in the clip you mentioned, the trumpets are dragging a little. We barely get that at all with the LSO (I can't think of a modern example of a section of the LSO out of time).Still, the differences are not very extreme, and both orchestras are great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg1138 3 Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Indeed....but I think the difference is purely down to the almost infallibility of the LSO....on any day of the week, and twice on sundays, they are probably the best orchestra in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 maybe it's just the recording and mixing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 What is KOTS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Kingdom of the Sith...Really, the Hollywood orchestra performance of the KOTCS raiders march is prety close if not almost equal to the ROTLA raiders march. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 I prefer the brass in Revenge of the Crystal Skull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Kingdom of the Sith...Really, the Hollywood orchestra performance of the KOTS raiders march is prety close if not almost equal to the LOST Raiders' raiders march.LOST Raiders raiders march? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Kingdom of the Sith...Really, the Hollywood orchestra performance of the KOTS raiders march is prety close if not almost equal to the LOST Raiders' raiders march.LOST Raiders raiders march?I just saw that and thought, did i wrote that?Brainfart i suppose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinspace 8 Posted December 23, 2011 Author Share Posted December 23, 2011 sorry i meant KOTCS kingdom of the crystal skull Indy4 you nailed it on the head , and I think the result of them dragging is less tight ensemble. Then again, not every orchestra in the world had a Maurice Murphy! The other thing I think about the LA players is many of the brass players come from a jazz background - maybe this gives the brass a bit more edgyness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieC 13 Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Hi BBC tv is about to launch a new, three part adaptation of the novel Great Expectations in the next few days here and over Christmas the trailer for the serial has played. As I watched said trailer last night I immediately recognised that is has been tracked with Carol of the Bells by the Maestro. Very pleasing, of course, but unlikely that many viewers will recognise it as such. I should get out more, probably. James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Well, the players of both orchestras are brilliant. Usually I like a real orchestras, they are used to play togethermostly very demanding repertoire in the classical world. I have one exception, Indy 2 sounds better than Indy 1.It can also have something to do with recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheCity 140 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I frequently record at SONY and know most of the A list brass players here in LA. I think some of the guys Williams uses now are "old school" - in the last quarter of their career. They are mostly retired except for special occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I think the brass in Tintin is too bright. The trumpets sound "squeaky" at times too me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 In terms of performance, I think the brass sounds mostly fine in Williams' latest scores, but there's a weird, artifact-y edge to the sound in certain parts of both War Horse and Tintin, especially with some of the big fortissimo horn soli. I'll dig up some actual track times one of these days, but it's really unfortunate. It weakens some of these scores' most powerful moments. Almost sounds like bad mp3 compression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 As I noted in the War Horse FYC thread, I think they used a bit too much artificial reverb and too much compression on the War Horse OST. The FYC album sounds more natural and organic to my ears (as it was mastered directly from the actual recording sessions tapes, I guess). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 244 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Yes, the FYC sounds very natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Tintin is the big offender when it comes to reverb, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 How were you all able to listen to the FYC? Did you have to buy your own copy from ebay or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinspace 8 Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 In terms of performance, I think the brass sounds mostly fine in Williams' latest scores, but there's a weird, artifact-y edge to the sound in certain parts of both War Horse and Tintin, especially with some of the big fortissimo horn soli. I'll dig up some actual track times one of these days, but it's really unfortunate. It weakens some of these scores' most powerful moments. Almost sounds like bad mp3 compression.Exactly what I was getting at. The brass sound edgy and harsh as opposed to being mellow. Parts of Tintin have so much artificial reverb added; would have sounded way better recorded in an actual concert hall close miked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Tintin is the big offender when it comes to reverb, IMO.Does Snowy's there have a ridiculous ammount of reverb?I mentioned something to the effect, saying that it almost sounded as if it had been recorded in a different booth/sessions...And i was labeled as mad/deaf... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I must say, I listened to Tintin again last night and while the trumpet section is not bad, it is probably the worst one Wiliams has worked with in the 2000s. Listen at 5:42 of "Red Rackham's Curse and the Treasure." Trumpets hit the big impact moment way late. It really mitigates the effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I.... disagree. And think you're all being posh snobs, essentially comparing apple-shaped diamonds with orange-shaped diamonds. They're both fantastic in the end, and we're lucky the world still has orchestras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinspace 8 Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 I.... disagree. And think you're all being posh snobs, essentially comparing apple-shaped diamonds with orange-shaped diamonds. They're both fantastic in the end, and we're lucky the world still has orchestras. Each to there own. In fact your absolutely correct 99.9999% of the populus couldn't care less. But thats just agree that had Williams recorded with LSO it would have sounded even better?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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