#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 And will probably do some more.Mancini did all the official Pink Panther films...How many Godzilla scores did Akira Ifukube do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff 10 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Everyone kept saying that Williams couldn't do the later HP films because they were "too dark" for his style. I disagree - I think he could have transformed the style over time and given us five more fantastic scores. And I think that answers your concern, Koray - it may as well not be the same franchise, the later entries are so different. But it would be nice to have some common threads besides a mere statement of Hedwig's theme here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Exactly. The whole "the score wouldn't be dark enough" argument seemed ridiculous. He could have easily came up very dark scores that remained loyal to his great themes. He has certainly done it before!The thing is, with so many different styles and themes that the music of the franchise ended up taking, there is actually a lack of continuity that can be felt on the subconscious level with the audience. If the franchise remained loyal to the iconic themes while giving them much darker variations, then the franchise would feel more together as a whole. We still ended up with some other good entries, but some very disappointing ones.When Desplat first came aboard, he said he wanted to use Williams' classic themes again in an interview. So I was really looking forward to that score and I ended up very disappointed. And then Williams said he might sign on for the last Potter film if he could but that didn't happen. Desplat ended the series well with a great score (though not without its flaws), I can't help but wonder at how Williams would have approached the final film! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 And will probably do some more.Mancini did all the official Pink Panther films...How many Godzilla scores did Akira Ifukube do?David Arnold did 5 Bond scoresWilliams did score 6 Star Wars films, Koray.Jerry did 5 Trek scores.And every single one of those scores are great? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 And will probably do some more.Mancini did all the official Pink Panther films...How many Godzilla scores did Akira Ifukube do?David Arnold did 5 Bond scoresWilliams did score 6 Star Wars films, Koray.Jerry did 5 Trek scores.And every single one of those scores are great?Every single one of the SW scores are indeed great.Most of the Goldsmith entries were good except for Nemisis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 All the SW scores range from brilliant to good. Same for Trek. All Arnolds Bond scores are good....Most of the Goldsmith entries were good except for Nemisisvery good score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 154 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I like the Nemesis score. Much superior than Giacchino's entry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Even when dying of cancer Goldsmith managed to do a far better score the the populist Gia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,326 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 And insurrection, Giacchino's is at the bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 No composer should score 7 films in a single franchise.I think Barry did it with Bond, but only a couple of those are really great scores.They're all terrific.All Arnolds Bond scores are good...The only decent one there is QOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 And insurrection, Giacchino's is at the bottom.Only above Rosenmans "effort". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I like the Nemesis score. Much superior than Giacchino's entry.I thought all of Goldsmith's entries were great but felt that Nemesis was the weakest. I'd say its better than Giacchino's entry, but I do like Giacchino's score.And insurrection, Giacchino's is at the bottom.Only above Rosenmans "effort".Most definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 And insurrection, Giacchino's is at the bottom.Only above Rosenmans "effort".Rosenman shits Horner for breakfast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,326 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 And insurrection, Giacchino's is at the bottom.Only above Rosenmans "effort".Rosenmans score is much more memorable score than Giacchinos, but it IS very untreklike, and a bit silly.Only above Rosenmans "effort".Rosenman shits Horner for breakfast.If that is a compliment for Rosenman then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I can't handle Rosenman with most of his works being uninteresting for me. His Star Trek score was too silly for me to really enjoy. Although I'm no fan of the films (haven't watched a single one of them) so I'm not sure how it works in film. I found his score for LOTR laughable in parts. I'm just not a fan of his work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,326 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 His Star Trek score was too silly for me to really enjoy.You'll hate Jerry Fielding.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jwlU7RXYCU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 You guys like too many things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I can't handle Rosenman with most of his works being uninteresting for me. His Star Trek score was too silly for me to really enjoy. Although I'm no fan of the films (haven't watched a single one of them) so I'm not sure how it works in film. I found his score for LOTR laughable in parts. I'm just not a fan of his work.FANTASTIC VOYAGE is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I wish Williams scored more literature. Tone poems or even scores for books. That way he can keep the strong narrative focus he has without being limited by director's visions, sound effects, or length of scenes. I mean, even when he scored films where he had read the book first, we ended up with Sorcerer's Stone and Geisha, two fantastic scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pro-arte 22 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I wish Williams to score Superman 2, I still dream about a definitive Superman : The Movie ultimate edition with the 3 hours montage that was intended on the 80's, and wish the producers will pay Mr Williams to score the needed parts of itif they do that we will have another reason to don't need a new Superman film ever, IMO of course . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 You guys like too many things.Look who is talking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,260 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I wish Williams scored more literature. Tone poems or even scores for books. That way he can keep the strong narrative focus he has without being limited by director's visions, sound effects, or length of scenes. I mean, even when he scored films where he had read the book first, we ended up with Sorcerer's Stone and Geisha, two fantastic scores.Also "Angela's Ashes". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I think a significant mark against Williams is that he didn't retire at the peak of his career in the early '80s to play major league baseball. Definitely a missed opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTR1701 59 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 So, what is YOUR complaint on John Williams' career?What would you like him to have written that he hasn't?I would have loved to have seen him do a Star Trek film. I know Trek was mostly Goldsmith territory, but I've often wondered what a Williams Star Trek score would sound like.The recent Trek reboot was a golden opportunity, but Giacchino is Abrams' guy, so that was pretty much inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 154 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 It's not totally Goldsmith's territory though he certainly had the most memorable stake. Now I'm curious as to how Goldsmith would've scored a Star Wars film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 For the score for Star Trek Nemesis, I must and always will defend against those who blast it.Now I will agree that the OST for Star Trek Nemesis sucks as a listening experience. However, the near complete boot is A LOT more enjoyable. The near complete boot has a lot of great cues that were left off the OST, especially from the second half of the score itself.K.K. I'm not sure if you've heard the near complete boot for Star Trek Nemesis...if not I advise that you check it out. Your opinion on the score may change.I know someone on FSM recently didn't like it but just before Christmas weekend I sent him links to download the near complete boot and he said he liked it a lot more than what he remembered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,326 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 For the score for Star Trek Nemesis, I must and always will defend against those who blast it. The near complete boot has a lot of great cues that were left off the OST, especially from the second half of the score itself.I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 These aren't so much complaints as wishes:That he scored Superman II, which by necessity would mean that Richard Donner got to complete his vision of the film. Win/win. The Donner Cut is a mere ghost of what could have been but still much, much better than Lester's theatrical. It's the Great Williams Score we never got.That he had gotten to do a Star Trek, preferably with the original cast. But at the same time I wouldn't give any of those scores up. Not even IV, which I've gained a new appreciation for since its complete release.That he had taken on more "outside the box" projects like Images in the middle or latter part of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingPin 201 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 My biggest complaint at the moment? He let this happen: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 And will probably do some more.Mancini did all the official Pink Panther films...How many Godzilla scores did Akira Ifukube do?David Arnold did 5 Bond scoresWilliams did score 6 Star Wars films, Koray.Jerry did 5 Trek scores.And every single one of those scores are great?Most definitely better than the Hooper/Desplat travesties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 That doesn't answer the question.With any type of franchise, one can only write so much music before the inspiration dies.Star Trek is a bit different in that Goldsmith didn't write all of those scores back-to-back. He left and returned. Regardless, I wouldn't call all of his entries great.Arnold composed two great Bond scores, Tomorrow Never Dies and Casino Royale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 154 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 He didn't left and returned. He wasn't chosen and was lured by lucrative dollar signs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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