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Everyone kept saying that Williams couldn't do the later HP films because they were "too dark" for his style. I disagree - I think he could have transformed the style over time and given us five more fantastic scores. And I think that answers your concern, Koray - it may as well not be the same franchise, the later entries are so different. But it would be nice to have some common threads besides a mere statement of Hedwig's theme here and there.

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Exactly. The whole "the score wouldn't be dark enough" argument seemed ridiculous. He could have easily came up very dark scores that remained loyal to his great themes. He has certainly done it before!

The thing is, with so many different styles and themes that the music of the franchise ended up taking, there is actually a lack of continuity that can be felt on the subconscious level with the audience. If the franchise remained loyal to the iconic themes while giving them much darker variations, then the franchise would feel more together as a whole. We still ended up with some other good entries, but some very disappointing ones.

When Desplat first came aboard, he said he wanted to use Williams' classic themes again in an interview. So I was really looking forward to that score and I ended up very disappointed. And then Williams said he might sign on for the last Potter film if he could but that didn't happen. Desplat ended the series well with a great score (though not without its flaws), I can't help but wonder at how Williams would have approached the final film!

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And will probably do some more.

Mancini did all the official Pink Panther films...

How many Godzilla scores did Akira Ifukube do?

David Arnold did 5 Bond scores

Williams did score 6 Star Wars films, Koray.

Jerry did 5 Trek scores.

And every single one of those scores are great?

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And will probably do some more.

Mancini did all the official Pink Panther films...

How many Godzilla scores did Akira Ifukube do?

David Arnold did 5 Bond scores

Williams did score 6 Star Wars films, Koray.

Jerry did 5 Trek scores.

And every single one of those scores are great?

Every single one of the SW scores are indeed great.

Most of the Goldsmith entries were good except for Nemisis

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All the SW scores range from brilliant to good. Same for Trek. All Arnolds Bond scores are good....

Most of the Goldsmith entries were good except for Nemisis

very good score.

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No composer should score 7 films in a single franchise.

I think Barry did it with Bond, but only a couple of those are really great scores.

They're all terrific.

All Arnolds Bond scores are good...

The only decent one there is QOS.

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I like the Nemesis score. Much superior than Giacchino's entry.

I thought all of Goldsmith's entries were great but felt that Nemesis was the weakest. I'd say its better than Giacchino's entry, but I do like Giacchino's score.

And insurrection, Giacchino's is at the bottom.

Only above Rosenmans "effort".

Most definitely.

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And insurrection, Giacchino's is at the bottom.

Only above Rosenmans "effort".

Rosenmans score is much more memorable score than Giacchinos, but it IS very untreklike, and a bit silly.

Only above Rosenmans "effort".

Rosenman shits Horner for breakfast.

If that is a compliment for Rosenman then.... :thumbup:

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I can't handle Rosenman with most of his works being uninteresting for me. His Star Trek score was too silly for me to really enjoy. Although I'm no fan of the films (haven't watched a single one of them) so I'm not sure how it works in film. I found his score for LOTR laughable in parts. I'm just not a fan of his work.

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I can't handle Rosenman with most of his works being uninteresting for me. His Star Trek score was too silly for me to really enjoy. Although I'm no fan of the films (haven't watched a single one of them) so I'm not sure how it works in film. I found his score for LOTR laughable in parts. I'm just not a fan of his work.

FANTASTIC VOYAGE is amazing.

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I wish Williams scored more literature. Tone poems or even scores for books. That way he can keep the strong narrative focus he has without being limited by director's visions, sound effects, or length of scenes. I mean, even when he scored films where he had read the book first, we ended up with Sorcerer's Stone and Geisha, two fantastic scores.

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I wish Williams to score Superman 2, I still dream about a definitive Superman : The Movie ultimate edition with the 3 hours montage that was intended on the 80's, and wish the producers will pay Mr Williams to score the needed parts of it

if they do that we will have another reason to don't need a new Superman film ever, IMO of course .

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I wish Williams scored more literature. Tone poems or even scores for books. That way he can keep the strong narrative focus he has without being limited by director's visions, sound effects, or length of scenes. I mean, even when he scored films where he had read the book first, we ended up with Sorcerer's Stone and Geisha, two fantastic scores.

Also "Angela's Ashes".

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So, what is YOUR complaint on John Williams' career?

What would you like him to have written that he hasn't?

I would have loved to have seen him do a Star Trek film. I know Trek was mostly Goldsmith territory, but I've often wondered what a Williams Star Trek score would sound like.

The recent Trek reboot was a golden opportunity, but Giacchino is Abrams' guy, so that was pretty much inevitable.

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For the score for Star Trek Nemesis, I must and always will defend against those who blast it.

Now I will agree that the OST for Star Trek Nemesis sucks as a listening experience. However, the near complete boot is A LOT more enjoyable. The near complete boot has a lot of great cues that were left off the OST, especially from the second half of the score itself.

K.K. I'm not sure if you've heard the near complete boot for Star Trek Nemesis...if not I advise that you check it out. Your opinion on the score may change.

I know someone on FSM recently didn't like it but just before Christmas weekend I sent him links to download the near complete boot and he said he liked it a lot more than what he remembered.

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For the score for Star Trek Nemesis, I must and always will defend against those who blast it. The near complete boot has a lot of great cues that were left off the OST, especially from the second half of the score itself.

I agree.

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These aren't so much complaints as wishes:

That he scored Superman II, which by necessity would mean that Richard Donner got to complete his vision of the film. Win/win. The Donner Cut is a mere ghost of what could have been but still much, much better than Lester's theatrical. It's the Great Williams Score we never got.

That he had gotten to do a Star Trek, preferably with the original cast. But at the same time I wouldn't give any of those scores up. Not even IV, which I've gained a new appreciation for since its complete release.

That he had taken on more "outside the box" projects like Images in the middle or latter part of his career.

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And will probably do some more.

Mancini did all the official Pink Panther films...

How many Godzilla scores did Akira Ifukube do?

David Arnold did 5 Bond scores

Williams did score 6 Star Wars films, Koray.

Jerry did 5 Trek scores.

And every single one of those scores are great?

Most definitely better than the Hooper/Desplat travesties.

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That doesn't answer the question.

With any type of franchise, one can only write so much music before the inspiration dies.

Star Trek is a bit different in that Goldsmith didn't write all of those scores back-to-back. He left and returned. Regardless, I wouldn't call all of his entries great.

Arnold composed two great Bond scores, Tomorrow Never Dies and Casino Royale.

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